Power Rankings

[SouthOfThe Bann]

Con a better all-round player than both of them

Con not the player he was though.

He was devastating when he first came on the scene.

Still always produces when Dublin need him most though.

[Armagh18]

Con a better all-round player than both of them

Again, quite possibly.

I've no issue whatsoever with anyone arguing that Rian is one of the very best footballers in the country. My issue is that over the last couple of weeks their appear to have been more than a few voices stating that he's unequivocally and unambiguously the best, which I've yet to see evidence of.

Haven't seen anyone say that tbh, I absolutely have him in that bracket with Con and Clifford etc at the top top players.

I don't think we've seen the best of him either, hopefully he gets more miles in the legs between now and a quarter final, definitely give him the Galway game as well.

[Armagh18]

Con a better all-round player than both of them

Con not the player he was though.

He was devastating when he first came on the scene.

Still always produces when Dublin need him most though.

What age was he when he fired Lee Keegan out of his way and buried those goals? A machine of a player, seems to be injured a lot lately which is a shame.

[gallsman]

Con a better all-round player than both of them

Again, quite possibly.

I've no issue whatsoever with anyone arguing that Rian is one of the very best footballers in the country. My issue is that over the last couple of weeks their appear to have been more than a few voices stating that he's unequivocally and unambiguously the best, which I've yet to see evidence of.

Haven't seen anyone say that tbh, I absolutely have him in that bracket with Con and Clifford etc at the top top players.

I don't think we've seen the best of him either, hopefully he gets more miles in the legs between now and a quarter final, definitely give him the Galway game as well.

For one, it was stated without any ambiguity up the thread, which is what sparked this particular discussion. Try to keep up.

[illdecide]

Some Armagh fans sicken my hole about Rian...when he had the ball on Sunday they were shouting "Shoot", when he didn't have the ball they were shouting "pass it to Rian" like he can shit gold bars ffs. He's a good player who's not nowhere near match fit yet but he's still only one man. As for the debate on who's the better player, they're different players with different attributes and would love both them on my Armagh team but if i had to only pick one DC would get my vote...just saying.

[Armagh18]

Some Armagh fans sicken my hole about Rian...when he had the ball on Sunday they were shouting "Shoot", when he didn't have the ball they were shouting "pass it to Rian" like he can shit gold bars ffs. He's a good player who's not nowhere near match fit yet but he's still only one man. As for the debate on who's the better player, they're different players with different attributes and would love both them on my Armagh team but if i had to only pick one DC would get my vote...just saying.

Heard that a few times myself, eejits. That sideline ball he kicked away was poor work late on, don't think it was punished though.

[tonto1888]

Con a better all-round player than both of them

Again, quite possibly.

I've no issue whatsoever with anyone arguing that Rian is one of the very best footballers in the country. My issue is that over the last couple of weeks there appear to have been more than a few voices stating that he's unequivocally and unambiguously the best, which I've yet to see evidence of.

I havent seen that. I am obviously biased but I do believe he is in the top top bracket along with clifford and con.

[SouthOfThe Bann]

Con a better all-round player than both of them

Con not the player he was though.

He was devastating when he first came on the scene.

Still always produces when Dublin need him most though.

What age was he when he fired Lee Keegan out of his way and buried those goals? A machine of a player, seems to be injured a lot lately which is a shame.

Id say about 23; was so explosive around that time and always a goal threat.

[oakleaflad]

If we're chatting all rounder I'd throw Glass in there. We haven't gone well but he's been really good all year at both attacking and defending. 

[GTP]

Armagh have to be above Donegal right now! Donegal only beat them by a point after extra time and we seen them bounce back superbly with two strong performances (better than Donegal showed) and added an allstar back into their line up. (Armagh win that Ulster Final if Rian is fit to play)

For me, the debate is between Armagh and Kerry at 1 and then Donegal at 3.

For me 4.Tyrone, 5.Dublin, 6.Galway can be in whichever order in the next branch. We should know after next weekend.

Then Id have 7.Mayo and 8.Monaghan 9.Down

Putting Derry generously at 10. Power rankings should be based on form and although they had a good game on Saturday its difficult to make a case for a team that havent won a competitive game in a year.

"Power rankings should be based on form" arguing Armagh should be above Donegal as they would have won if Rian had been playing and that they will get better in the future because he is playing, doesn't support this point. Additionally, Derry's form is that they are as good as (having drawn with) a team you rank 6th and lost by 4 to your number 1 or 2 ranked team Armagh but you will only generously give them 10th. Especially since the Armagh game is one they would have won with just 1  more goal and a two pointer. As far as I recall the last team ranked below Derry to beat them was Roscommon which was back when RG managed them. Could be completely wrong on that but it would indicate they are still just about clinging to their theoretical top 10 status.
I would presume that whoever puts these things together does give more weight to recent games therefore taking form into account. Derry will fall if they do not win their next game as the past success will count for less and less as time goes on.
Anyway, not something to take too seriously since it doesn't help anyone out on the pitch. I'd have Armagh at 1 as they have played and beat good teams more consistently than the chasing pack. And they are actual All Ireland winners.

[jmcgdoire]

Armagh have to be above Donegal right now! Donegal only beat them by a point after extra time and we seen them bounce back superbly with two strong performances (better than Donegal showed) and added an allstar back into their line up. (Armagh win that Ulster Final if Rian is fit to play)

For me, the debate is between Armagh and Kerry at 1 and then Donegal at 3.

For me 4.Tyrone, 5.Dublin, 6.Galway can be in whichever order in the next branch. We should know after next weekend.

Then Id have 7.Mayo and 8.Monaghan 9.Down

Putting Derry generously at 10. Power rankings should be based on form and although they had a good game on Saturday its difficult to make a case for a team that havent won a competitive game in a year.

"Power rankings should be based on form" arguing Armagh should be above Donegal as they would have won if Rian had been playing and that they will get better in the future because he is playing, doesn't support this point. Additionally, Derry's form is that they are as good as (having drawn with) a team you rank 6th and lost by 4 to your number 1 or 2 ranked team Armagh but you will only generously give them 10th. Especially since the Armagh game is one they would have won with just 1  more goal and a two pointer. As far as I recall the last team ranked below Derry to beat them was Roscommon which was back when RG managed them. Could be completely wrong on that but it would indicate they are still just about clinging to their theoretical top 10 status.
I would presume that whoever puts these things together does give more weight to recent games therefore taking form into account. Derry will fall if they do not win their next game as the past success will count for less and less as time goes on.
Anyway, not something to take too seriously since it doesn't help anyone out on the pitch. I'd have Armagh at 1 as they have played and beat good teams more consistently than the chasing pack. And they are actual All Ireland winners.

Im saying form needs to be considered, hence why Derry are down at 10th (not winning any games) and Armagh are above Donegal (having won both of their group games). I dont believe that Donegal should be above Armagh just because they beat them AET - we learned this last year. After that final it would be totally fair to put Donegal above them but now with Rian back we can see the difference. Both teams are Top 3 and theres not a lot in it.

I dont see the contradiction. To me power rankings means something like "The best teams in the country right now, adjusted for form". We know how could this Derry team CAN be, but theyre clearly going through a poor spell. Some good performances but the results arent backing it up

[GTP]

I was thinking Power Rankings would be worked out maybe by a supercomputer - GAA Rankings - has an ongoing ranking system. Mayo look the outlier by these.
I doubt any Armagh fans in Croke Park last year thought winning this All Ireland is good but I'd love to be number 1 in the Power Rankings. 

[Dunneroyal]

2 rounds in and the picture is becoming slightly clearer. Top 9 all capable of beating each other but hard to see all ireland winner not coming from top 3.

1. Armagh
2. Kerry
3. Donegal
4. Galway
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Mayo
8. Monaghan
9. Derry
10. Down
11. Meath
12. Louth
13. Roscommon
14. Cavan
15. Cork
16. Kildare
17. Clare
18. Westmeath
19. Fermanagh
20. Offaly
21. Sligo
22. Wicklow
23. Limerick
24. Laois
25. Wexford
26. Carlow
27. Antrim
28. Longford
29. Leitrim
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York

Can't wait to see where Meath are now since they have comprehensively beat number 2 (while missing more players than them) and number 5 so far this year. Definitely most improved team of the year. and 70 minutes from semifinal

[gallsman]

They'll move up surely, but regency bias is a very real thing. They also lost to a team who were beaten by numbers 8 and 10.

Where would you put them?

[Dunneroyal]

They'll move up surely, but regency bias is a very real thing. They also lost to a team who were beaten by numbers 8 and 10.

Where would you put them?

Meath I think are 5th maybe 4th at the moment. I'd still have Kerry higher than them after thrashing them yesterday not because of the players they have to come back but experience , Just yesterday Kerry had an air of superiority complex about them. How dare Meath come here and think they can win. Arrogance during the week was unbelievable from Kerry pundits and nearly everyone else about Kerry needing the players back for quarters. It was disgraceful to the most improved team in Ireland full of lads who beat dub some were saying ahh but that was a fluke. It wasn't it was a tactical masterpiece by management and executed perfectly by the players. As for Louth defeat ? It was a case of 3 goals mostly against the run of play. A 2 point free for a player falling over without been touched and I'll be honest a bit on inexperience. I haven't spoken to one player or supporter who didn't think we left that behind us. Therefore it was about putting things right in the group stages.
While i personally think it will be next year before we will seriously challenge for a all Ireland, we are the coming team in football, we are no longer also fans and people might start to sit up and take notice. It wasn't that Kerry were that bad yesterday it was that Meath were that good