Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Milltown Row2]

So that's a no? I didn't say I'm happy for them to die.. Phew, is that a normal tactic for you?

Throwing rocks at tanks won't stop children dying, mothers raped or fathers being locked up for 30 years. It won't stop the tensions in the West Bank and further afield. Escalation will have an affect on all of us

Now you can support resistance all you want from over 5,500KMs away but unless its resolved through talk then it will continue. If you have any sense you'll know that it's the only way to stop this.

Its barbaric from the Israeli troops and government plus the US among others that have supported this. If it is paused without meaningful negation then this will continue and the geocide will be complete, that will help no one.

[tonto1888]

I've not seen anyone giving blind support to Hamas, but in keeping with your bad faith comments.

Would you call children that are killed in war as non combatants

of course, why would anyone consider them combatants...

I haven't seen that term used for the deaths in Gaza, its generally women and children killed that has been used

true, in gaza if you are male and non combatant you don't really count. In Israel there is conscription and more Female IDF so speaking in women and children isn't as clear.

So just use it for Israeli deaths as they have conscription? If you are an unarmed woman or child from any side you are still a woman or child.

I'm an ends doesn't justify the means type person, one loss of life is one too many. So many senseless deaths here over the years hasn't really got us any further, the shift in population will, and won't cause any deaths

I've no idea how they can solve the Gaza situation as Israel won't be going anywhere and the Palestinians will rebuild and have another generation of people that have been tortured/killed and locked up, mad cycle.

Unless there is a moderate government in Israel then this won't even be fixed in our lifetime

Milltown I know you are a let the palestinans continue to suffer under their occupation until the occupier decides otherwise guy. the west donw nothing for 75 years only arm and watch on as Israel every few years 'mows the lawn'... I support international  Law ans it allows resistence and that threshold for armed resistence is clearly been met for Palestinans to rise up against their oppressor and occupier and I fully support that. ( within international law)

if you are a non combatant you are a civilian etc. which would include men, women and children. As stated if you provide women and children for the Israeli dead many will be combantants, the Israeli dead is usually provided as a total including both, Palestinians are usually provided as women and children and a total number.

I think in terms of using sticks and stones in comparison to what Israel has to use against Palestine then you can uprise to the cows come home there will be only one outcome.

Nothing will be resolved unless they sit around a table, create the conditions for that and that's the best outcome 75 years will be 150 years and so on if they do not sit and discuss

I know you are they type of guy that sits at home on a computer type of guy and wave a flag maybe not use Israeli products but that won't stop non combatants from being obliterated 

I am that guy and more and understand how little impact it has but at least I fully support all legal efforts for palestinains while you sit at home on your computer happy for them to die slowing, and stupidly not know that palestinans have numerous times sat at those tables and been offered nothing and somehow speak to me as if you have some moral superiority...

Hamas are using their own civilians as human shields

They are as just much to blame for civilian deaths as the Israelis

So it's nothing to do with the big fúcking bombs the IDF are dropping on built up areas and even refugee camps?

Are Hamas also to blame for the Palestinians being killed on the West Bank?

Sweet Jesus!

on this topic, and many others, the yank is best ignored

[whitey]

I've not seen anyone giving blind support to Hamas, but in keeping with your bad faith comments.

Would you call children that are killed in war as non combatants

of course, why would anyone consider them combatants...

I haven't seen that term used for the deaths in Gaza, its generally women and children killed that has been used

true, in gaza if you are male and non combatant you don't really count. In Israel there is conscription and more Female IDF so speaking in women and children isn't as clear.

So just use it for Israeli deaths as they have conscription? If you are an unarmed woman or child from any side you are still a woman or child.

I'm an ends doesn't justify the means type person, one loss of life is one too many. So many senseless deaths here over the years hasn't really got us any further, the shift in population will, and won't cause any deaths

I've no idea how they can solve the Gaza situation as Israel won't be going anywhere and the Palestinians will rebuild and have another generation of people that have been tortured/killed and locked up, mad cycle.

Unless there is a moderate government in Israel then this won't even be fixed in our lifetime

Milltown I know you are a let the palestinans continue to suffer under their occupation until the occupier decides otherwise guy. the west donw nothing for 75 years only arm and watch on as Israel every few years 'mows the lawn'... I support international  Law ans it allows resistence and that threshold for armed resistence is clearly been met for Palestinans to rise up against their oppressor and occupier and I fully support that. ( within international law)

if you are a non combatant you are a civilian etc. which would include men, women and children. As stated if you provide women and children for the Israeli dead many will be combantants, the Israeli dead is usually provided as a total including both, Palestinians are usually provided as women and children and a total number.

I think in terms of using sticks and stones in comparison to what Israel has to use against Palestine then you can uprise to the cows come home there will be only one outcome.

Nothing will be resolved unless they sit around a table, create the conditions for that and that's the best outcome 75 years will be 150 years and so on if they do not sit and discuss

I know you are they type of guy that sits at home on a computer type of guy and wave a flag maybe not use Israeli products but that won't stop non combatants from being obliterated 

I am that guy and more and understand how little impact it has but at least I fully support all legal efforts for palestinains while you sit at home on your computer happy for them to die slowing, and stupidly not know that palestinans have numerous times sat at those tables and been offered nothing and somehow speak to me as if you have some moral superiority...

Hamas are using their own civilians as human shields

They are as just much to blame for civilian deaths as the Israelis

So it's nothing to do with the big fúcking bombs the IDF are dropping on built up areas and even refugee camps?

Are Hamas also to blame for the Palestinians being killed on the West Bank?

Sweet Jesus!

So if the Hamas operatives who perpetrated the atrocities on 10/07 are hiding out in a refugee camp are they not responsible for the inevitable bombardment that's sure to follow?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

So that's a no? I didn't say I'm happy for them to die.. Phew, is that a normal tactic for you?

Throwing rocks at tanks won't stop children dying, mothers raped or fathers being locked up for 30 years. It won't stop the tensions in the West Bank and further afield. Escalation will have an affect on all of us

Now you can support resistance all you want from over 5,500KMs away but unless its resolved through talk then it will continue. If you have any sense you'll know that it's the only way to stop this.

Its barbaric from the Israeli troops and government plus the US among others that have supported this. If it is paused without meaningful negation then this will continue and the geocide will be complete, that will help no one.

your opinion that they shouldn't use all efforts including armed resistence to end the occupation means (without you saying it) that you are happy/accepting of the status quo ( as every other effort (not armed resistence) has not ended the occupation) and the occupation is murdering daily Palestinians.

every bit of my sense says you want to limit what Palestinians do to get self determination. I dont. My preference is peaceful but its 75 years and throughout history armed resistence has led to the end of occupations (I acknowledge it also involves sitting down at a table after)

[Lubo Moravcik]

I've always felt that armed resistence was heroic and unfortunately necessary and why it is enshrined in int law..... bad faith

You called the Hamas attack of Oct 7th a heroic action and attempted to justify it when pressed.....extremely bad faith.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

I've always felt that armed resistence was heroic and unfortunately necessary and why it is enshrined in int law..... bad faith

You called the Hamas attack of Oct 7th a heroic action and attempted to justify it when pressed.....extremely bad faith.

International law justifies it, I support that armed resistence is allowed. resistence against occupation is heroic. palestinans are a heroic people who for 75 has resisted their occupier armed by some of the world's most powerful countries.

you made this comment -

I've said Israel are criminals and committing genocide

, should I read into that that every single Israeli is a criminal and committing genocide... if I did it would be bad faith as more than likely you mean those who actively or passively support there actions, not all Israelis or all actions... bad faith

[Lubo Moravcik]

I've always felt that armed resistence was heroic and unfortunately necessary and why it is enshrined in int law..... bad faith

You called the Hamas attack of Oct 7th a heroic action and attempted to justify it when pressed.....extremely bad faith.

International law justifies it, I support that armed resistence is allowed. resistence against occupation is heroic. palestinans are a heroic people who for 75 has resisted their occupier armed by some of the world's most powerful countries.

you made this comment -

I've said Israel are criminals and committing genocide

, should I read into that that every single Israeli is a criminal and committing genocide... if I did it would be bad faith as more than likely you mean those who actively or passively support there actions, not all Israelis or all actions... bad faith

Yet more waffle as you try..and fail, to twist and turn your way back out of what you said. Heroic actions, on Oct 7th.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

I've always felt that armed resistence was heroic and unfortunately necessary and why it is enshrined in int law..... bad faith

You called the Hamas attack of Oct 7th a heroic action and attempted to justify it when pressed.....extremely bad faith.

International law justifies it, I support that armed resistence is allowed. resistence against occupation is heroic. palestinans are a heroic people who for 75 has resisted their occupier armed by some of the world's most powerful countries.

you made this comment -

I've said Israel are criminals and committing genocide

, should I read into that that every single Israeli is a criminal and committing genocide... if I did it would be bad faith as more than likely you mean those who actively or passively support there actions, not all Israelis or all actions... bad faith

Israel - the state of Israel as represented by their government

I've always felt that armed resistence was heroic and unfortunately necessary and why it is enshrined in int law..... bad faith

You called the Hamas attack of Oct 7th a heroic action and attempted to justify it when pressed.....extremely bad faith.

International law justifies it, I support that armed resistence is allowed. resistence against occupation is heroic. palestinans are a heroic people who for 75 has resisted their occupier armed by some of the world's most powerful countries.

you made this comment -

I've said Israel are criminals and committing genocide

, should I read into that that every single Israeli is a criminal and committing genocide... if I did it would be bad faith as more than likely you mean those who actively or passively support there actions, not all Israelis or all actions... bad faith

Yet more waffle as you try..and fail, to twist and turn your way back out of what you said. Heroic actions, on Oct 7th.

so I made the comment, know what I meant by the comments, explained in more detail at the time what I meant, have explained on at least one other occasion what I meant, explained again today what I meant but you think you know better... catch yourself on (think that was directed at whitey early but fitting here too.)

[Itchy]

I've not seen anyone giving blind support to Hamas, but in keeping with your bad faith comments.

Would you call children that are killed in war as non combatants

of course, why would anyone consider them combatants...

I haven't seen that term used for the deaths in Gaza, its generally women and children killed that has been used

true, in gaza if you are male and non combatant you don't really count. In Israel there is conscription and more Female IDF so speaking in women and children isn't as clear.

So just use it for Israeli deaths as they have conscription? If you are an unarmed woman or child from any side you are still a woman or child.

I'm an ends doesn't justify the means type person, one loss of life is one too many. So many senseless deaths here over the years hasn't really got us any further, the shift in population will, and won't cause any deaths

I've no idea how they can solve the Gaza situation as Israel won't be going anywhere and the Palestinians will rebuild and have another generation of people that have been tortured/killed and locked up, mad cycle.

Unless there is a moderate government in Israel then this won't even be fixed in our lifetime

Milltown I know you are a let the palestinans continue to suffer under their occupation until the occupier decides otherwise guy. the west donw nothing for 75 years only arm and watch on as Israel every few years 'mows the lawn'... I support international  Law ans it allows resistence and that threshold for armed resistence is clearly been met for Palestinans to rise up against their oppressor and occupier and I fully support that. ( within international law)

if you are a non combatant you are a civilian etc. which would include men, women and children. As stated if you provide women and children for the Israeli dead many will be combantants, the Israeli dead is usually provided as a total including both, Palestinians are usually provided as women and children and a total number.

I think in terms of using sticks and stones in comparison to what Israel has to use against Palestine then you can uprise to the cows come home there will be only one outcome.

Nothing will be resolved unless they sit around a table, create the conditions for that and that's the best outcome 75 years will be 150 years and so on if they do not sit and discuss

I know you are they type of guy that sits at home on a computer type of guy and wave a flag maybe not use Israeli products but that won't stop non combatants from being obliterated 

I am that guy and more and understand how little impact it has but at least I fully support all legal efforts for palestinains while you sit at home on your computer happy for them to die slowing, and stupidly not know that palestinans have numerous times sat at those tables and been offered nothing and somehow speak to me as if you have some moral superiority...

Hamas are using their own civilians as human shields

They are as just much to blame for civilian deaths as the Israelis

So it's nothing to do with the big fúcking bombs the IDF are dropping on built up areas and even refugee camps?

Are Hamas also to blame for the Palestinians being killed on the West Bank?

Sweet Jesus!

So if the Hamas operatives who perpetrated the atrocities on 10/07 are hiding out in a refugee camp are they not responsible for the inevitable bombardment that's sure to follow?

Yeh they are hiding in refugee camps, under hospitals and in churches. So if those are blown up then its at least partially Hamas's fault right - like no where should be safe. Tell me, if a Hamas militant is being treated in hospital, is it his fault if the hospital is bombed, are casualties on both sides entitled to medical treatment? Would you be ok with the Brits bombing the Falls road with hi-tech weapons from the sky during the troubles too. You can spot the man who listens to Fox news all day a mile away.

[Milltown Row2]

So that's a no? I didn't say I'm happy for them to die.. Phew, is that a normal tactic for you?

Throwing rocks at tanks won't stop children dying, mothers raped or fathers being locked up for 30 years. It won't stop the tensions in the West Bank and further afield. Escalation will have an affect on all of us

Now you can support resistance all you want from over 5,500KMs away but unless its resolved through talk then it will continue. If you have any sense you'll know that it's the only way to stop this.

Its barbaric from the Israeli troops and government plus the US among others that have supported this. If it is paused without meaningful negation then this will continue and the geocide will be complete, that will help no one.

your opinion that they shouldn't use all efforts including armed resistence to end the occupation means (without you saying it) that you are happy/accepting of the status quo ( as every other effort (not armed resistence) has not ended the occupation) and the occupation is murdering daily Palestinians.

every bit of my sense says you want to limit what Palestinians do to get self determination. I dont. My preference is peaceful but its 75 years and throughout history armed resistence has led to the end of occupations (I acknowledge it also involves sitting down at a table after)

Without me saying it, I've never said it, doesn't stop you spinning it! Also I'm not accepting the status quo by saying they need to sit around the table!

But the current method isn't working

[Lubo Moravcik]

I've always felt that armed resistence was heroic and unfortunately necessary and why it is enshrined in int law..... bad faith

You called the Hamas attack of Oct 7th a heroic action and attempted to justify it when pressed.....extremely bad faith.

International law justifies it, I support that armed resistence is allowed. resistence against occupation is heroic. palestinans are a heroic people who for 75 has resisted their occupier armed by some of the world's most powerful countries.

you made this comment -

I've said Israel are criminals and committing genocide

, should I read into that that every single Israeli is a criminal and committing genocide... if I did it would be bad faith as more than likely you mean those who actively or passively support there actions, not all Israelis or all actions... bad faith

Israel - the state of Israel as represented by their government

I've always felt that armed resistence was heroic and unfortunately necessary and why it is enshrined in int law..... bad faith

You called the Hamas attack of Oct 7th a heroic action and attempted to justify it when pressed.....extremely bad faith.

International law justifies it, I support that armed resistence is allowed. resistence against occupation is heroic. palestinans are a heroic people who for 75 has resisted their occupier armed by some of the world's most powerful countries.

you made this comment -

I've said Israel are criminals and committing genocide

, should I read into that that every single Israeli is a criminal and committing genocide... if I did it would be bad faith as more than likely you mean those who actively or passively support there actions, not all Israelis or all actions... bad faith

Yet more waffle as you try..and fail, to twist and turn your way back out of what you said. Heroic actions, on Oct 7th.

so I made the comment, know what I meant by the comments, explained in more detail at the time what I meant, have explained on at least one other occasion what I meant, explained again today what I meant but you think you know better... catch yourself on (think that was directed at whitey early but fitting here too.)

It's clear as day. You made the comment of 'heroic action' on the day of the massacre and attempted to justify it later.

I'm sure you must have felt heroic yourself being Uber pro-Palestinian when all the quislings and closet Zionists were asking questions about the morality of murdering unarmed men women and children.

[weareros]

We were right to finally recognise Palestine sovereignty but it's still a bit bizarre to see those who support Palestine sovereignty claim Taiwan belongs to China, and those sympathetic to Israel's brutal zionist regime support Taiwan's right to self-determination. A big old empire next door with bigger military power threatening a neighbouring island they once ruled reminds me of someone...

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2024/0523/1450741-china-taiwan-drills/

[PadraicHenryPearse]

https://x.com/Israel_katz/status/1793543828630340083?t=QPDIzHGxsDnWuHxr3djmBw&s=19

Here is an example of Zionists propaganda. bit of it about today.

Ireland, if your goal was to reward terrorism by declaring support for a Palestinian state, you've achieved it

[greatpoint]

I've not seen anyone giving blind support to Hamas, but in keeping with your bad faith comments.

Would you call children that are killed in war as non combatants

of course, why would anyone consider them combatants...

I haven't seen that term used for the deaths in Gaza, its generally women and children killed that has been used

true, in gaza if you are male and non combatant you don't really count. In Israel there is conscription and more Female IDF so speaking in women and children isn't as clear.

So just use it for Israeli deaths as they have conscription? If you are an unarmed woman or child from any side you are still a woman or child.

I'm an ends doesn't justify the means type person, one loss of life is one too many. So many senseless deaths here over the years hasn't really got us any further, the shift in population will, and won't cause any deaths

I've no idea how they can solve the Gaza situation as Israel won't be going anywhere and the Palestinians will rebuild and have another generation of people that have been tortured/killed and locked up, mad cycle.

Unless there is a moderate government in Israel then this won't even be fixed in our lifetime

Milltown I know you are a let the palestinans continue to suffer under their occupation until the occupier decides otherwise guy. the west donw nothing for 75 years only arm and watch on as Israel every few years 'mows the lawn'... I support international  Law ans it allows resistence and that threshold for armed resistence is clearly been met for Palestinans to rise up against their oppressor and occupier and I fully support that. ( within international law)

if you are a non combatant you are a civilian etc. which would include men, women and children. As stated if you provide women and children for the Israeli dead many will be combantants, the Israeli dead is usually provided as a total including both, Palestinians are usually provided as women and children and a total number.

I think in terms of using sticks and stones in comparison to what Israel has to use against Palestine then you can uprise to the cows come home there will be only one outcome.

Nothing will be resolved unless they sit around a table, create the conditions for that and that's the best outcome 75 years will be 150 years and so on if they do not sit and discuss

I know you are they type of guy that sits at home on a computer type of guy and wave a flag maybe not use Israeli products but that won't stop non combatants from being obliterated 

I am that guy and more and understand how little impact it has but at least I fully support all legal efforts for palestinains while you sit at home on your computer happy for them to die slowing, and stupidly not know that palestinans have numerous times sat at those tables and been offered nothing and somehow speak to me as if you have some moral superiority...

Hamas are using their own civilians as human shields

They are as just much to blame for civilian deaths as the Israelis

So it's nothing to do with the big fúcking bombs the IDF are dropping on built up areas and even refugee camps?

Are Hamas also to blame for the Palestinians being killed on the West Bank?

Sweet Jesus!

So if the Hamas operatives who perpetrated the atrocities on 10/07 are hiding out in a refugee camp are they not responsible for the inevitable bombardment that's sure to follow?

Yeh they are hiding in refugee camps, under hospitals and in churches. So if those are blown up then its at least partially Hamas's fault right - like no where should be safe. Tell me, if a Hamas militant is being treated in hospital, is it his fault if the hospital is bombed, are casualties on both sides entitled to medical treatment? Would you be ok with the Brits bombing the Falls road with hi-tech weapons from the sky during the troubles too. You can spot the man who listens to Fox news all day a mile away.

These equivalences are mad. Which event during the Troubles would you say compares to what happened on October 7th?

[Itchy]

I've not seen anyone giving blind support to Hamas, but in keeping with your bad faith comments.

Would you call children that are killed in war as non combatants

of course, why would anyone consider them combatants...

I haven't seen that term used for the deaths in Gaza, its generally women and children killed that has been used

true, in gaza if you are male and non combatant you don't really count. In Israel there is conscription and more Female IDF so speaking in women and children isn't as clear.

So just use it for Israeli deaths as they have conscription? If you are an unarmed woman or child from any side you are still a woman or child.

I'm an ends doesn't justify the means type person, one loss of life is one too many. So many senseless deaths here over the years hasn't really got us any further, the shift in population will, and won't cause any deaths

I've no idea how they can solve the Gaza situation as Israel won't be going anywhere and the Palestinians will rebuild and have another generation of people that have been tortured/killed and locked up, mad cycle.

Unless there is a moderate government in Israel then this won't even be fixed in our lifetime

Milltown I know you are a let the palestinans continue to suffer under their occupation until the occupier decides otherwise guy. the west donw nothing for 75 years only arm and watch on as Israel every few years 'mows the lawn'... I support international  Law ans it allows resistence and that threshold for armed resistence is clearly been met for Palestinans to rise up against their oppressor and occupier and I fully support that. ( within international law)

if you are a non combatant you are a civilian etc. which would include men, women and children. As stated if you provide women and children for the Israeli dead many will be combantants, the Israeli dead is usually provided as a total including both, Palestinians are usually provided as women and children and a total number.

I think in terms of using sticks and stones in comparison to what Israel has to use against Palestine then you can uprise to the cows come home there will be only one outcome.

Nothing will be resolved unless they sit around a table, create the conditions for that and that's the best outcome 75 years will be 150 years and so on if they do not sit and discuss

I know you are they type of guy that sits at home on a computer type of guy and wave a flag maybe not use Israeli products but that won't stop non combatants from being obliterated 

I am that guy and more and understand how little impact it has but at least I fully support all legal efforts for palestinains while you sit at home on your computer happy for them to die slowing, and stupidly not know that palestinans have numerous times sat at those tables and been offered nothing and somehow speak to me as if you have some moral superiority...

Hamas are using their own civilians as human shields

They are as just much to blame for civilian deaths as the Israelis

So it's nothing to do with the big fúcking bombs the IDF are dropping on built up areas and even refugee camps?

Are Hamas also to blame for the Palestinians being killed on the West Bank?

Sweet Jesus!

So if the Hamas operatives who perpetrated the atrocities on 10/07 are hiding out in a refugee camp are they not responsible for the inevitable bombardment that's sure to follow?

Yeh they are hiding in refugee camps, under hospitals and in churches. So if those are blown up then its at least partially Hamas's fault right - like no where should be safe. Tell me, if a Hamas militant is being treated in hospital, is it his fault if the hospital is bombed, are casualties on both sides entitled to medical treatment? Would you be ok with the Brits bombing the Falls road with hi-tech weapons from the sky during the troubles too. You can spot the man who listens to Fox news all day a mile away.

These equivalences are mad. Which event during the Troubles would you say compares to what happened on October 7th?

It's true, I can't think of any event in the troubles where the British machined gunned their own civilians in such numbers in order to kill ira volunteers. Mad alright.