Man Utd Thread:

[Look-Up!]

Hard to fathom the position Utd find themselves in now. A huge negative like not having CL football can be argued as a positive with not having league distractions to concentrate on a safe mid table finish.

Manager situation another brain twister. It would be crazy to get rid but equally crazy to persist. I thought Amorim was a great appointment at the time. Talks the talk, not happening. Blame the system. But that still leaves a decision to be made. 

I think they should stick with Amorim.

I think a solid keeper and a consistent golascorer could make a massive difference to that team.

Need a keeper that inspires confidence in his back 4; not one that has everyone walking on eggshells.

Solid points.

Only thing that makes me doubt my opinion is he is so stubborn. Fair enough he backs himself but there are times when needs must, and you adapt to the occasion. Results are all that matter in a final especially, philosophy does not come into it. He is one thick bastard that way or maybe he knows nothing else.

He is averaging a point per game in league. That's relegation battle. If his form does not dramatically improve, he'll be gone before Xmas anyway. Not very obvious where this huge reversal of form will come from under him.

That is true but do United need a stubborn manager?

Eric Ten Hag abandoned his philosophy after 2 games; then proceeded to play a system that had them competitive but was only going to take you so far.

Sometimes you have to go through a bit of pain before things start to improve.

Don't get me wrong Amorim may never be able tot turn this thing around but I don't think there's a better option out there at the moment.

They could sack him and get another manager in to steady the ship short term but I think its worth the risk sticking withh Amorim for the 'potential' long term benefits.

You're right of course and there's no one to replace him realistically anyway. But just on the stubborn bit and sticking to philosophy. Top traits in a manager but over a campaign and especially making it to a final or say in a crunch title league game, you must have something else up your sleeve. That's the HUGE red flag I now see in him. There are others like being a bit too cosy with media and running his mouth out of line at times.

[toby47]

Hard to fathom the position Utd find themselves in now. A huge negative like not having CL football can be argued as a positive with not having league distractions to concentrate on a safe mid table finish.

Manager situation another brain twister. It would be crazy to get rid but equally crazy to persist. I thought Amorim was a great appointment at the time. Talks the talk, not happening. Blame the system. But that still leaves a decision to be made. 

I think they should stick with Amorim.

I think a solid keeper and a consistent golascorer could make a massive difference to that team.

Need a keeper that inspires confidence in his back 4; not one that has everyone walking on eggshells.

If they had held on to De Gea this team wouldn't nearly be as bad or as fragile.

Massive job on over the summer not only to get players in but more importantly nearly is to get players out.
Rashford
Sancho
Antony

How much could they realistically get for those 3 combined? Would they get around 80m?

Antony has to go. he's crap plus 2yrs left on contract so can't let it run down for 1yr to go.
Rashford - No way back surely.
Sancho - He's into his last year now isn't he?

Contracts expiring next month - Eriksen, Lindelof, Evans

Expiring next year - Casemiro & Maguire

2 Years left - (Will be in the last year next summer and transfer value significantly reduced, now is best time to sell if doing so.) - Fernandes, Shaw, Martinez, Mainoo, Bayindir.

Garnacho sounds like he'll go with his comments this morning.


Last years purchases -
DeLigt - 45m, not upto it.
Yoro -  62m, alot to prove but still very young.
Zirkzee - 42m, doesn't look upto it.
Ugarte - 50m, alot to prove.
Dorgu - 30m last year, alot to prove but still very young.

Bruno Fernandes was bought in 2020 and you could argue he's been the only successful signing in those 5 years since?

Amorim doesn't look like the man for the job either, although I seriously don't know where united go next. They have tried every avenue at this stage.

It is a horrendous squad make up, and I'm not sure how Man United can overhaul their problems anyway soon. Any chances they had probably relied on CL money, which after last night, isn't there.

[BigGreenField]

Based on that post match interview Amorim is asking to be sacked.

[Blowitupref]

Based on that post match interview Amorim is asking to be sacked.

Said he won't walk away but if the board feel that he's not the right guy he will go in the next day without any conversation and compensation.

No compensation is probably something that will light up Jim Radcliffe eyes with the money saving exercise he's undertaking.

[Bogman]

I'm sure he wishes he stayed at Lisbon.
Who do they even go for if they did sack him, who would want it actually.

[NAG1]

I'm sure he wishes he stayed at Lisbon.
Who do they even go for if they did sack him, who would want it actually.

That's the issue with these managers they all think they are the one to turn it around.
You would have a queue down the road if he was to walk away.

[Milltown Row2]

Thankfully I didn't see much of the game, but Utd's season should not be determined on not winning last night but over the year, they have been shit poor, Amorim isn't the reason why they have been shite btw..

You don't become a bad manager overnight, the lad has proved himself already, ETH also proved himself at other clubs also, Utd is for some reason a more difficult task..

I'm glad they didn't win as that would have put a false gloss on a shitty season, think Amorim is decent but maybe not the right fit.

[Onthe40]

so why is utd so more difficult
I know there's been loads of conversations on the topic but still no real answers

look at mgrs who have come in to many mid tier premier league clubs and turned them into good footballing teams with less money & attraction e.g. Brighton, palace, villa and so on

why is it proving so hard for a mgr at utd to get 15-17 players who wanna die for the club, give it their all and play with their hearts & heads rather than their wallets?
mgrs with great track records come to utd and leave continuously with their tails between their legs, and its different players in different eras..so not all the same players over a 10yr period causing the issues...

for 10 years plus now, there's been no style. no obvious playing patterns, no consistency
we listen to likes of bruno saying we have to be more consistent, put the head down, hard work
other clubs can do it so what is the issue at Utd?

[gawa316]

I'm guessing the BBQ is cancelled?

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[Look-Up!]

 There's no free pass for manager or blaming players on last night. I know it was a one off game and you shouldn't be judged on one game as any game is losable but it was a big final with huge financial and morale gains at stake. If they had died on their shields fair enough but he sent them out to lose and it was pathetic. Plays what, 5 defenders. When Spurs sat back and it was obvious they had absolutely no intention of laying a glove on Utd, he still sat on his hands and didn't make a change till less than 20 minutes to go.

 A club needs a philosophy but sometimes that's just a word and a refusal to grasp a situation or try something different and get out of your comfort zone to get a result. So in some cases it's the trait of a chicken shit as much as an uncompromising hero.

I see him in a totally different light now. And yes, because of one game.

[Milltown Row2]

Utd are bad and that happens, plenty of teams go through the mill and some come out the other side. Social media makes it seem important, its not really, there are two things to play for each year, the league and the CL, that is how clubs in the top tier are judged..

Season is over and out, god knows how they go next year, but at least i can't get any worse

[Look-Up!]

Utd are bad and that happens, plenty of teams go through the mill and some come out the other side. Social media makes it seem important, its not really, there are two things to play for each year, the league and the CL, that is how clubs in the top tier are judged..

Season is over and out, god knows how they go next year, but at least i can't get any worse

That's what people thought after ETH. But it can always get worse. Bar playing Amad, nothing has improved under Amorim. He has improved nothing bar a bit of charisma in interviews. Everything else has got worse. That's a huge issue.

Don't think they'll change anything this summer. But make no mistake, if they spend big this summer and need to sack him in the autumn and suddenly decide this philosophy doesn't suit the club and go a different direction again. Then find themselves with new deadwood and seller's remorse on some of the players let go, things will absolutely get worse.

[seafoid]

Man United went through a similar process after Matt Busby retired. He was like AlexFerguson and won league titles and the European Cup. In the 70s and early 80s Man Utd went through numerous managers and struggled to win anything. This lasted until Ferguson arrived.
Man Utd is waiting for the Messiah.

[Look-Up!]

Man United went through a similar process after Matt Busby retired. He was like AlexFerguson and won league titles and the European Cup. In the 70s and early 80s Man Utd went through numerous managers and struggled to win anything. This lasted until Ferguson arrived.
Man Utd is waiting for the Messiah.

They might be ringing Big Sam in the meantime.

[tiempo]

Cesc Fabregas currently has Como in mid table, might be worth a punt

One things for sure, Jason Wilcox hasn't got a clue