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« Reply #47355 on: September 27, 2019, 11:06:58 AM »
Curious to know what a total reset involves?

No takers?

I'd say getting rid of most of the dross United have accumulated over the last 10 years. It should have been done when Fergie retired yet the problem has got worse. Moyes & LVG had no clear transfer strategy, Mourinho did but Woodward stopped backing him come after 2 years. At least now there appears to be some sort of strategy that are United are looking at younger British players who'll have no issues with settling in and if doesn't work out they'll be able to move them on.

I'm not getting carried away though, how can you trust the owners and Woodward. We were told in summer 2018 that Mourinho would have nearly 200m to spent, we've had 2 summers since then and after outgoungs accounted for United have spent about 110m.

The club is swimming in cash, it has over 300m in the bank but they choose to be very prudent this summer. I think Maguire only came in because Lukaku was to be sold. I think United are in huge trouble if they fail to qualify for the CL, United won't invest whats required and will rely on Pogba been sold to fund buying 2 players. Matic is finished, Fred needs a complete upturn in form and Periera isn't good enough and will be sold this summer. You can make a case for United needing to buy 4 midfielders next summer unless Gomes & Garner prove their good enough.

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« Reply #47356 on: September 27, 2019, 11:44:59 AM »
Curious to know what a total reset involves?

No takers?

I'd say getting rid of most of the dross United have accumulated over the last 10 years. It should have been done when Fergie retired yet the problem has got worse. Moyes & LVG had no clear transfer strategy, Mourinho did but Woodward stopped backing him come after 2 years. At least now there appears to be some sort of strategy that are United are looking at younger British players who'll have no issues with settling in and if doesn't work out they'll be able to move them on.

I'm not getting carried away though, how can you trust the owners and Woodward. We were told in summer 2018 that Mourinho would have nearly 200m to spent, we've had 2 summers since then and after outgoungs accounted for United have spent about 110m.

The club is swimming in cash, it has over 300m in the bank but they choose to be very prudent this summer. I think Maguire only came in because Lukaku was to be sold. I think United are in huge trouble if they fail to qualify for the CL, United won't invest whats required and will rely on Pogba been sold to fund buying 2 players. Matic is finished, Fred needs a complete upturn in form and Periera isn't good enough and will be sold this summer. You can make a case for United needing to buy 4 midfielders next summer unless Gomes & Garner prove their good enough.

Nothing to argue with there.

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« Reply #47357 on: September 27, 2019, 11:56:19 AM »
Curious to know what a total reset involves?

No takers?

I'd say getting rid of most of the dross United have accumulated over the last 10 years. It should have been done when Fergie retired yet the problem has got worse. Moyes & LVG had no clear transfer strategy, Mourinho did but Woodward stopped backing him come after 2 years. At least now there appears to be some sort of strategy that are United are looking at younger British players who'll have no issues with settling in and if doesn't work out they'll be able to move them on.

I'm not getting carried away though, how can you trust the owners and Woodward. We were told in summer 2018 that Mourinho would have nearly 200m to spent, we've had 2 summers since then and after outgoungs accounted for United have spent about 110m.

The club is swimming in cash, it has over 300m in the bank but they choose to be very prudent this summer. I think Maguire only came in because Lukaku was to be sold. I think United are in huge trouble if they fail to qualify for the CL, United won't invest whats required and will rely on Pogba been sold to fund buying 2 players. Matic is finished, Fred needs a complete upturn in form and Periera isn't good enough and will be sold this summer. You can make a case for United needing to buy 4 midfielders next summer unless Gomes & Garner prove their good enough.

Nothing to argue with there.


I think it's crazt to suggest that Mourinho had a clear transfer strategy but everything else is spot on.

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« Reply #47358 on: September 27, 2019, 12:14:28 PM »
Curious to know what a total reset involves?

No takers?

I'd say getting rid of most of the dross United have accumulated over the last 10 years. It should have been done when Fergie retired yet the problem has got worse. Moyes & LVG had no clear transfer strategy, Mourinho did but Woodward stopped backing him come after 2 years. At least now there appears to be some sort of strategy that are United are looking at younger British players who'll have no issues with settling in and if doesn't work out they'll be able to move them on.

I'm not getting carried away though, how can you trust the owners and Woodward. We were told in summer 2018 that Mourinho would have nearly 200m to spent, we've had 2 summers since then and after outgoungs accounted for United have spent about 110m.

The club is swimming in cash, it has over 300m in the bank but they choose to be very prudent this summer. I think Maguire only came in because Lukaku was to be sold. I think United are in huge trouble if they fail to qualify for the CL, United won't invest whats required and will rely on Pogba been sold to fund buying 2 players. Matic is finished, Fred needs a complete upturn in form and Periera isn't good enough and will be sold this summer. You can make a case for United needing to buy 4 midfielders next summer unless Gomes & Garner prove their good enough.

Nothing to argue with there.


I think it's crazt to suggest that Mourinho had a clear transfer strategy but everything else is spot on.

Didn't say it was the right strategy but he had one, the other two bought players for the sake of it.


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« Reply #47359 on: September 27, 2019, 12:21:56 PM »
Curious to know what a total reset involves?

No takers?

I'd say getting rid of most of the dross United have accumulated over the last 10 years. It should have been done when Fergie retired yet the problem has got worse. Moyes & LVG had no clear transfer strategy, Mourinho did but Woodward stopped backing him come after 2 years. At least now there appears to be some sort of strategy that are United are looking at younger British players who'll have no issues with settling in and if doesn't work out they'll be able to move them on.

I'm not getting carried away though, how can you trust the owners and Woodward. We were told in summer 2018 that Mourinho would have nearly 200m to spent, we've had 2 summers since then and after outgoungs accounted for United have spent about 110m.

The club is swimming in cash, it has over 300m in the bank but they choose to be very prudent this summer. I think Maguire only came in because Lukaku was to be sold. I think United are in huge trouble if they fail to qualify for the CL, United won't invest whats required and will rely on Pogba been sold to fund buying 2 players. Matic is finished, Fred needs a complete upturn in form and Periera isn't good enough and will be sold this summer. You can make a case for United needing to buy 4 midfielders next summer unless Gomes & Garner prove their good enough.

Nothing to argue with there.


I think it's crazt to suggest that Mourinho had a clear transfer strategy but everything else is spot on.

Didn't say it was the right strategy but he had one, the other two bought players for the sake of it.

TBF it was JM's usual strategy of investing in players of a certain age bracket to try and win instantly which is partly the reason for the squad now.

I would imagine that Ole is looking to bring the average age down with good young players and then to add a level of experience at the right time.

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« Reply #47360 on: September 27, 2019, 12:40:35 PM »
Curious to know what a total reset involves?

No takers?

I'd say getting rid of most of the dross United have accumulated over the last 10 years. It should have been done when Fergie retired yet the problem has got worse. Moyes & LVG had no clear transfer strategy, Mourinho did but Woodward stopped backing him come after 2 years. At least now there appears to be some sort of strategy that are United are looking at younger British players who'll have no issues with settling in and if doesn't work out they'll be able to move them on.

I'm not getting carried away though, how can you trust the owners and Woodward. We were told in summer 2018 that Mourinho would have nearly 200m to spent, we've had 2 summers since then and after outgoungs accounted for United have spent about 110m.

The club is swimming in cash, it has over 300m in the bank but they choose to be very prudent this summer. I think Maguire only came in because Lukaku was to be sold. I think United are in huge trouble if they fail to qualify for the CL, United won't invest whats required and will rely on Pogba been sold to fund buying 2 players. Matic is finished, Fred needs a complete upturn in form and Periera isn't good enough and will be sold this summer. You can make a case for United needing to buy 4 midfielders next summer unless Gomes & Garner prove their good enough.

Nothing to argue with there.


I think it's crazt to suggest that Mourinho had a clear transfer strategy but everything else is spot on.

Didn't say it was the right strategy but he had one, the other two bought players for the sake of it.

TBF it was JM's usual strategy of investing in players of a certain age bracket to try and win instantly which is partly the reason for the squad now.

I would imagine that Ole is looking to bring the average age down with good young players and then to add a level of experience at the right time.

Mourinho bought in Zlatan, Pogba, Lukaku, Bailly, Dalot, Lindelof, Mkhitaryan, Matic, Fred & Sanchez; Think only 3 out of the 10 were older than 26 when they signed for United.

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« Reply #47361 on: September 27, 2019, 01:17:11 PM »
Curious to know what a total reset involves?

No takers?

I'd say getting rid of most of the dross United have accumulated over the last 10 years. It should have been done when Fergie retired yet the problem has got worse. Moyes & LVG had no clear transfer strategy, Mourinho did but Woodward stopped backing him come after 2 years. At least now there appears to be some sort of strategy that are United are looking at younger British players who'll have no issues with settling in and if doesn't work out they'll be able to move them on.

I'm not getting carried away though, how can you trust the owners and Woodward. We were told in summer 2018 that Mourinho would have nearly 200m to spent, we've had 2 summers since then and after outgoungs accounted for United have spent about 110m.

The club is swimming in cash, it has over 300m in the bank but they choose to be very prudent this summer. I think Maguire only came in because Lukaku was to be sold. I think United are in huge trouble if they fail to qualify for the CL, United won't invest whats required and will rely on Pogba been sold to fund buying 2 players. Matic is finished, Fred needs a complete upturn in form and Periera isn't good enough and will be sold this summer. You can make a case for United needing to buy 4 midfielders next summer unless Gomes & Garner prove their good enough.

Nothing to argue with there.


I think it's crazt to suggest that Mourinho had a clear transfer strategy but everything else is spot on.

Didn't say it was the right strategy but he had one, the other two bought players for the sake of it.

TBF it was JM's usual strategy of investing in players of a certain age bracket to try and win instantly which is partly the reason for the squad now.

I would imagine that Ole is looking to bring the average age down with good young players and then to add a level of experience at the right time.

Mourinho bought in Zlatan, Pogba, Lukaku, Bailly, Dalot, Lindelof, Mkhitaryan, Matic, Fred & Sanchez; Think only 3 out of the 10 were older than 26 when they signed for United.


LVG bought Blind, Darmian, Depay, Di Maria, Falcao, Herrera, Martial, Rojo, Romero, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Shaw, Victor Valdes.

I actually think LVG's list compares favourably with Mourinho's.

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« Reply #47362 on: September 27, 2019, 01:22:47 PM »

Mourinho bought in Zlatan, Pogba, Lukaku, Bailly, Dalot, Lindelof, Mkhitaryan, Matic, Fred & Sanchez; Think only 3 out of the 10 were older than 26 when they signed for United.


LVG bought Blind, Darmian, Depay, Di Maria, Falcao, Herrera, Martial, Rojo, Romero, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Shaw, Victor Valdes.

I actually think LVG's list compares favourably with Mourinho's.

Both those lists are reasonable on paper. The bigger question is how and why so many of them were much poorer at United than their previous (and in certain cases (Depay, Di Maria etc) subsequent clubs.

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« Reply #47363 on: September 27, 2019, 01:40:47 PM »
I would say culture and I think LVG and Mourinho underestimated it for different reasons. I'd say LVG bought into Rooney as the leader (until it was too late) and the players that arrived hadn't anyone to drive them on and set standards. I'd say that wasn't the case in their previous/subsequent clubs. I'm not sure Mourinho looks at leadership/cluture hat way - I would imagine he sees it as coming from himself. Who knows?

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Re: Man Utd Thread:
« Reply #47364 on: September 28, 2019, 10:21:13 PM »

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« Reply #47365 on: September 29, 2019, 10:07:53 PM »
Sweet Jesus

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49867580

Sad individuals and such behaviour should be rightly condemned
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« Reply #47366 on: September 29, 2019, 11:45:50 PM »

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« Reply #47367 on: September 30, 2019, 03:16:24 PM »
Sweet Jesus

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49867580

Sad individuals and such behaviour should be rightly condemned

Sweet Jesus

Rojo and Young expected to be the full backs v Arsenal tonight. Sweet Jesus.

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« Reply #47368 on: September 30, 2019, 08:53:57 PM »
McTominay with the only bit of quality in the half. Two mid-table teams playing mid-table football.

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« Reply #47369 on: September 30, 2019, 09:54:45 PM »
Two painfully ordinary teams going nowhere.