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« Reply #45855 on: September 06, 2019, 02:42:04 PM »
Looking forward to seeing Ole getting some success.... not least so that Seanie's tiresome Mourinho obsession can perhaps be laid to rest.  ;D

Really hoping the same, however I believe he has been thrown in the deep end. I seen Gary Neville in an interview say the other day that he should be given time like Klopp. This statement is complete bulls***, Klopp was very successful at Dortmund and was one of the most sought after manager, Ole has came from a farmers league.

With James, Rashy, Martial, Pogba all playing well I think we will get back to the glory days sooner rather than later.

At a time, when he left Dortmund they were a shambles and he'd ran them into the ground and in the relegation zone if I recall. Liverpool should be wary history doesn't repeat.
Shambles?
Finished 7th in league,Won the German Super Cup, Runners up in the German Cup and last 16 of the Champions League..
His time was up with them no doubt and compared to previous seasons it wouldn't have been as good,but he hardly left them in a shambles.

Apologies, in the relegation zone most of first half of season. Got act together during last half of season but 7th in Germany is a disaster compared to 7th in England, say. Certainly wasn't an in demand manager. In fact it was only after he announced he was leaving Dortmund started to get the act together.

Liverpool took a gamble on him after giving Rodgers the road. Klopp was unemployed. I don't recall the doors being busted down at too many clubs to take him before Liverpool got in there.

Thought your cousin UnderTheBar was the village idiot of this parish but he's got competition  ;D

Don't see the issue here with stating the facts. Hiring a manager who had undoubted success at Dortmund, but also had a bit of a disaster in his final season is/was a risk. It's no insult. I don't know why you would have to be precious about that. It's a risk that obviously has reaped dividends for a variety of factors but the initial point remains.

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« Reply #45856 on: September 07, 2019, 10:35:51 AM »
Interesting discussion on Klopp. I've always admired him for his attitude, demeanour and the way his teams play. I was unhappy when he went to Liverpool because I suspected he'd be a success there. I don't buy into the "United is so broken that he'd have failed and been out the door in two years" thesis. For a start he has manners and is cutting edge tactically so he'd have had a better chance than LVG and Mourinho. Though it must be accepted the structures at Liverpool are designed for the team to succeed, not to make the most money possible.

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« Reply #45857 on: September 07, 2019, 06:15:57 PM »
Interesting discussion on Klopp. I've always admired him for his attitude, demeanour and the way his teams play. I was unhappy when he went to Liverpool because I suspected he'd be a success there. I don't buy into the "United is so broken that he'd have failed and been out the door in two years" thesis. For a start he has manners and is cutting edge tactically so he'd have had a better chance than LVG and Mourinho. Though it must be accepted the structures at Liverpool are designed for the team to succeed, not to make the most money possible.



Surely any owners looking to make the most money possible would make a bigger effort in trying to make the team succeed on the pitch.

Klopp arrived at Liverpool in October 2015 that season they finished 8th the next two seasons Liverpool finished 4th. Would the United board/owners have the same patience and trust to allow him to re-build the team? in those first few seasons Klopp was given enough time to clear out the dead wood left behind by previous managers and has brought in the likes of Fabinho,Alisson,Robertson,Van Dijk,Salah,Wijnaldum,Mane.

Not comparing like with like but so far Ole has cleared out plenty of dead wood already but plenty more to do (Jones,Rojo,Mata,Matic,Young etc) and his three signings look like good ones but he needed at least another 2 signings this summer (a midfielder and forward) to probably reach his season objectives i reckon. If United don't have Champions league football for next season i expect Ole to be sacked its how this club works now and that tells me United remain a broken club with owners that has little understanding to the rebuilding that is currently required.



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« Reply #45858 on: September 08, 2019, 12:07:14 PM »
Interesting discussion on Klopp. I've always admired him for his attitude, demeanour and the way his teams play. I was unhappy when he went to Liverpool because I suspected he'd be a success there. I don't buy into the "United is so broken that he'd have failed and been out the door in two years" thesis. For a start he has manners and is cutting edge tactically so he'd have had a better chance than LVG and Mourinho. Though it must be accepted the structures at Liverpool are designed for the team to succeed, not to make the most money possible.

Interviews yes, touchline, absolutely not. He's just as aggressive as the rest towards officials.

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« Reply #45859 on: September 08, 2019, 08:00:04 PM »
Interesting discussion on Klopp. I've always admired him for his attitude, demeanour and the way his teams play. I was unhappy when he went to Liverpool because I suspected he'd be a success there. I don't buy into the "United is so broken that he'd have failed and been out the door in two years" thesis. For a start he has manners and is cutting edge tactically so he'd have had a better chance than LVG and Mourinho. Though it must be accepted the structures at Liverpool are designed for the team to succeed, not to make the most money possible.



Surely any owners looking to make the most money possible would make a bigger effort in trying to make the team succeed on the pitch.

Klopp arrived at Liverpool in October 2015 that season they finished 8th the next two seasons Liverpool finished 4th. Would the United board/owners have the same patience and trust to allow him to re-build the team? in those first few seasons Klopp was given enough time to clear out the dead wood left behind by previous managers and has brought in the likes of Fabinho,Alisson,Robertson,Van Dijk,Salah,Wijnaldum,Mane.

Not comparing like with like but so far Ole has cleared out plenty of dead wood already but plenty more to do (Jones,Rojo,Mata,Matic,Young etc) and his three signings look like good ones but he needed at least another 2 signings this summer (a midfielder and forward) to probably reach his season objectives i reckon. If United don't have Champions league football for next season i expect Ole to be sacked its how this club works now and that tells me United remain a broken club with owners that has little understanding to the rebuilding that is currently required.

If Ole shows obvious progress this season, Id be surprised if United sack him, even if they do miss out on Champions League qualification. Its four from six these days after all. Liverpool ( club and fans) indulging Klopp was no act of blind faith or wishful thinking. The progress and growing signs of success were there, plain to see, season by season and sometimes even month by month.

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« Reply #45860 on: September 08, 2019, 08:49:05 PM »
Van der Sar muted as director of football.

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« Reply #45861 on: September 08, 2019, 08:59:15 PM »
Muted indeed  ;D

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« Reply #45862 on: September 08, 2019, 09:21:55 PM »
Van der Sar muted as director of football.

So what is the DoF's remit?

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« Reply #45863 on: September 08, 2019, 10:02:35 PM »
Has Van Der Sat any real credentials though? Better candidates out there.
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« Reply #45864 on: September 08, 2019, 10:15:20 PM »
Has Van Der Sat any real credentials though? Better candidates out there.

He has been Ajax's CEO for the last three years. You know, that Dutch club that operates on a bit of a shoestring budget relative to the big European clubs and lit up the Champions League for the last three years, with a team full of exciting young players playing entertaining football.

Other than that, no.
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« Reply #45865 on: September 08, 2019, 11:43:15 PM »
Has Van Der Sat any real credentials though? Better candidates out there.
Credentials for what? WTF does a DOF contribute exactly? Who are the better candidates you mention and what have they achieved as DOFs?

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« Reply #45866 on: September 09, 2019, 08:21:14 AM »
Has Van Der Sat any real credentials though? Better candidates out there.

He has been Ajax's CEO for the last three years. You know, that Dutch club that operates on a bit of a shoestring budget relative to the big European clubs and lit up the Champions League for the last three years, with a team full of exciting young players playing entertaining football.

Other than that, no.

They did well last year in the Champions League but hardly lit it up during the 2 previous years considering they weren't in it.  Additionally, the reason they did so well was due to the young players they brought through which I don't think can be accredited to Van Der Sar considering the short period of time he has been involved there as CEO.
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« Reply #45867 on: September 09, 2019, 01:44:20 PM »
Utd have fallen back to non contenders.Just looking at our own Bobby getting his 50th league goal ,Fermino  true son of the KOP.
Sturridge chip at the weekend was worth the flights and hotel alone ,Mancs are not in our league anymore ! #YNWA

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« Reply #45868 on: September 09, 2019, 04:01:39 PM »
Utd have fallen back to non contenders.Just looking at our own Bobby getting his 50th league goal ,Fermino  true son of the KOP.
Sturridge chip at the weekend was worth the flights and hotel alone ,Mancs are not in our league anymore ! #YNWA

Someone likes fishing. United are still contenders technically speaking but there is no doubt they are a long way off Liverpool and City (as is everyone else) and they will struggle to make the top 4 and could conceivably not even make top 6 as the squad is continues to be rebuilt and deadwood cleared out.

I wont mind too much that Liverpool fans continue to slag off united's current malaise once their own side fail once again to win the premier league, the one prize they so desperately want.

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« Reply #45869 on: September 09, 2019, 09:29:57 PM »
Utd have fallen back to non contenders.Just looking at our own Bobby getting his 50th league goal ,Fermino  true son of the KOP.
Sturridge chip at the weekend was worth the flights and hotel alone ,Mancs are not in our league anymore ! #YNWA

And you last won the Premier League in what year? ;D