Man Utd Thread:

[Cunny Funt]

Patience,well organized and clinical is how i would describe that United win last night. If they went toe to toe with a team of the quality of PSG it would have been a comfortable win for them, huge concentration was needed in defence when a team has that amount of possession against you and when chances came by United had to be clinical enough to take them.

Once Dalot came on United were far harder to break down and apart from the Mbappe chance that went on to hit the post from Bernat they had no clear cut chance to score in that 2nd half. The penalty according to the rule book was the correct call, The bit of luck would be having VAR in place and that it came off the arm of kimpemble who should have been suspended for that match last night.

The improvement Lindelof has made from the nervous,weak looking defender that arrived at the club is something else and Shaw continues to excel at left back when not so long ago he was totally written off as making at United. McTominay is another example of the manager getting the best out of his players, He filled in for the Matic in the central defensive midfield role was probably MOTM last night.

As for the next round Ole has habit for pulling out the short straws in these draws so probably Barcelona or Man City but as Ole said mountains are there to be climbed.

[tintin25]

Let's face it, majority of Utd fans (and I am one) would have been livid had that penalty been given against them last night.  Referees only going by directive but I think the powers that be seriously need to look at the rules again.  A possible penalty hadn't even crossed my mind until they went to VAR!

[Bord na Mona man]

Of course it is a harsh penalty, but that's the way referees have been told to interpret it.
Players are going to have to adjust. The days of turning your arse towards the ball with your arms loose are gone.

[J70]

Of course it is a harsh penalty, but that's the way referees have been told to interpret it.
Players are going to have to adjust. The days of turning your arse towards the ball with your arms loose are gone.

Next thing we will see will be a player sliding in to block a shot, the ball hits his arm (which is exactly where it should be given how he has slid in and the position he has slid in from), ref blows for penalty. Will those days be gone too?

There needs to be some common sense.

[Bord na Mona man]

Of course it is a harsh penalty, but that's the way referees have been told to interpret it.
Players are going to have to adjust. The days of turning your arse towards the ball with your arms loose are gone.

Next thing we will see will be a player sliding in to block a shot, the ball hits his arm (which is exactly where it should be given how he has slid in and the position he has slid in from), ref blows for penalty. Will those days be gone too?

There needs to be some common sense.

You'd assume that if a player slides in to block a shot, their intention is to block it with their legs?
If they don't manage that then they're taking a hostage to fortune.

[Boycey]

Jaysus lads let it go, it was contentious but it's gone enjoy the moment before we get stuffed in the next round 

[J70]

Of course it is a harsh penalty, but that's the way referees have been told to interpret it.
Players are going to have to adjust. The days of turning your arse towards the ball with your arms loose are gone.

Next thing we will see will be a player sliding in to block a shot, the ball hits his arm (which is exactly where it should be given how he has slid in and the position he has slid in from), ref blows for penalty. Will those days be gone too?

There needs to be some common sense.

You'd assume that if a player slides in to block a shot, their intention is to block it with their legs?
If they don't manage that then they're taking a hostage to fortune.

It should be about intent.

To use another example... two lads go up together for a header, each with arms in natural positions for what they're doing, ball ricochets or spills and bounces onto one of their arms, absolutely zero intent to handle. Is that a foul?

Because the way we seem to be heading, it would appear so.

We are going to have to have players use arm restraints.

[J70]

Jaysus lads let it go, it was contentious but it's gone enjoy the moment before we get stuffed in the next round 

Enjoy away. I'd enjoy it too if I were you.

This is not about rivalries or who the teams where. It's just a discussion of whether it was the correct decision and, if it was, whether it should have been. Purely academic.

[Itchy]

Jaysus lads let it go, it was contentious but it's gone enjoy the moment before we get stuffed in the next round 

Enjoy away. I'd enjoy it too if I were you.

This is not about rivalries or who the teams where. It's just a discussion of whether it was the correct decision and, if it was, whether it should have been. Purely academic.

It seems it was a penalty by t he new rules but for me the new rules are ridiculous if that is considered a penalty. Absolutely no intent to handle the ball.

[Bord na Mona man]

Of course it is a harsh penalty, but that's the way referees have been told to interpret it.
Players are going to have to adjust. The days of turning your arse towards the ball with your arms loose are gone.

Next thing we will see will be a player sliding in to block a shot, the ball hits his arm (which is exactly where it should be given how he has slid in and the position he has slid in from), ref blows for penalty. Will those days be gone too?

There needs to be some common sense.

You'd assume that if a player slides in to block a shot, their intention is to block it with their legs?
If they don't manage that then they're taking a hostage to fortune.

It should be about intent.

To use another example... two lads go up together for a header, each with arms in natural positions for what they're doing, ball ricochets or spills and bounces onto one of their arms, absolutely zero intent to handle. Is that a foul?

Because the way we seem to be heading, it would appear so.

We are going to have to have players use arm restraints.

Many's the defender slid in intending to win the ball but missed it and tripped the striker instead.

[TabClear]

Of course it is a harsh penalty, but that's the way referees have been told to interpret it.
Players are going to have to adjust. The days of turning your arse towards the ball with your arms loose are gone.

Next thing we will see will be a player sliding in to block a shot, the ball hits his arm (which is exactly where it should be given how he has slid in and the position he has slid in from), ref blows for penalty. Will those days be gone too?

There needs to be some common sense.

You'd assume that if a player slides in to block a shot, their intention is to block it with their legs?
If they don't manage that then they're taking a hostage to fortune.

It should be about intent.

To use another example... two lads go up together for a header, each with arms in natural positions for what they're doing, ball ricochets or spills and bounces onto one of their arms, absolutely zero intent to handle. Is that a foul?

Because the way we seem to be heading, it would appear so.

We are going to have to have players use arm restraints.

Many's the defender slid in intending to win the ball but missed it and tripped the striker instead.

Open to correction here but i think deliberate action is included in the handball rule but not a trip?

[JoG2]

Of course it is a harsh penalty, but that's the way referees have been told to interpret it.
Players are going to have to adjust. The days of turning your arse towards the ball with your arms loose are gone.

Next thing we will see will be a player sliding in to block a shot, the ball hits his arm (which is exactly where it should be given how he has slid in and the position he has slid in from), ref blows for penalty. Will those days be gone too?

There needs to be some common sense.

You'd assume that if a player slides in to block a shot, their intention is to block it with their legs?
If they don't manage that then they're taking a hostage to fortune.

It should be about intent.

To use another example... two lads go up together for a header, each with arms in natural positions for what they're doing, ball ricochets or spills and bounces onto one of their arms, absolutely zero intent to handle. Is that a foul?

Because the way we seem to be heading, it would appear so.

We are going to have to have players use arm restraints.

Many's the defender slid in intending to win the ball but missed it and tripped the striker instead.

Open to correction here but i think deliberate action is included in the handball rule but not a trip?

It was always thought it was based on 'intent', but as discussed last night during the VAR wait, refs had recently  been instructed to award penalties if the ball hits an out stretched arm. One of the BT Sports commentators was convinced it was a penalty based on the latest instructions to refs. Now I'll admit I don't watch many games these days but I was very surprised it was given tbh. I'm not sure if the rule has been changed / amended to include this new instruction. Surely it has been. Ridiculous imo

[J70]

Of course it is a harsh penalty, but that's the way referees have been told to interpret it.
Players are going to have to adjust. The days of turning your arse towards the ball with your arms loose are gone.

Next thing we will see will be a player sliding in to block a shot, the ball hits his arm (which is exactly where it should be given how he has slid in and the position he has slid in from), ref blows for penalty. Will those days be gone too?

There needs to be some common sense.

You'd assume that if a player slides in to block a shot, their intention is to block it with their legs?
If they don't manage that then they're taking a hostage to fortune.

It should be about intent.

To use another example... two lads go up together for a header, each with arms in natural positions for what they're doing, ball ricochets or spills and bounces onto one of their arms, absolutely zero intent to handle. Is that a foul?

Because the way we seem to be heading, it would appear so.

We are going to have to have players use arm restraints.

Many's the defender slid in intending to win the ball but missed it and tripped the striker instead.

You're saying they're the same thing?

A ball over which the defender has neither control nor idea of where it is going to go hitting him in the hand/arm through no fault of his own is the same as a player launching into a slide tackle, knowing that the opponent and the ball are going to be in roughly the same spot?

[J70]

Of course it is a harsh penalty, but that's the way referees have been told to interpret it.
Players are going to have to adjust. The days of turning your arse towards the ball with your arms loose are gone.

Next thing we will see will be a player sliding in to block a shot, the ball hits his arm (which is exactly where it should be given how he has slid in and the position he has slid in from), ref blows for penalty. Will those days be gone too?

There needs to be some common sense.

You'd assume that if a player slides in to block a shot, their intention is to block it with their legs?
If they don't manage that then they're taking a hostage to fortune.

It should be about intent.

To use another example... two lads go up together for a header, each with arms in natural positions for what they're doing, ball ricochets or spills and bounces onto one of their arms, absolutely zero intent to handle. Is that a foul?

Because the way we seem to be heading, it would appear so.

We are going to have to have players use arm restraints.

Many's the defender slid in intending to win the ball but missed it and tripped the striker instead.

Open to correction here but i think deliberate action is included in the handball rule but not a trip?

It was always thought it was based on 'intent', but as discussed last night during the VAR wait, refs had recently  been instructed to award penalties if the ball hits an out stretched arm. One of the BT Sports commentators was convinced it was a penalty based on the latest instructions to refs. Now I'll admit I don't watch many games these days but I was very surprised it was given tbh. I'm not sure if the rule has been changed / amended to include this new instruction. Surely it has been. Ridiculous imo

"Outstretched" arm?

[Falcao]

Can't profess to love PSG too much, great win for United.

But to call that a penalty? In the last minute, of the biggest competition in the World?

Outrageous - Shambolic decision. PSG have been done here.....but will find sympathy in short supply one suspects.

Read the rules my friend. It was a cast iron definite penalty. Rules on handball were changed recently with introduction of VAR. If arms aren't by your side it's a penalty. Karma for Kimpembe after him somehow avoiding getting sent off in the first leg and then scoring to opener. You could see he knew it himself that it was a penalty.

Ah come on, the shot was going high and probably wide. There are rules, then there is common sense. You can't seriously say it was a penalty. Karma or not. I'd be very certain another ref does not give this. It'll be interesting to see the next UCL instance of this.

Here you go.

https://m.sport24.co.za/Soccer/International/ifab-redefine-handball-rule-among-other-law-changes-20190305

These rule changes don't come in until next season, quote from the article:

"The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has announced five major rule changes that will be implemented for the upcoming 2019/20 season"

Current rules still state that it must be a deliberate act and that the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence.