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Re: Man Utd Thread:
« Reply #45075 on: December 07, 2018, 03:39:23 PM »
My son supports United and he said it's strange the amount of stick Jose gets from the press, given that he has won more trophies at United than Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea combined. Strange the relatively free ride Klopp, Pocc et al get.

Err... context??

1. Liverpool were an utter shambles when Klopp took over.
2. The trophy thing is irrelevant. Klopp’s remit was to rebuild Liverpool to challenge for the Premier League and become Champions League regulars. Had Liverpool won that penalty shoot out against City in the League Cup final in Klopp’s first season, would that have made one iota of difference in the grand scheme? All that really matters is that Klopp is rebuilding the club on the league and champions league front. Which he is clearly doing. The rest is fluff and irrelevant absent league performance. Just ask Mourinho. Or Van Gaal. Or Dalglish after his second run at Liverpool.
3. City are an unprecedented force in the premier league era. Remember the days when Ferguson used to talk about only being able to lose four or five games if you wanted to challenge? Think Chelsea may have hit 100 points once, but City are going to do it as a matter of course.

Trophies are irrelevant......ok Ted😜 My point is United have won more than all the other 'top teams' combined, finished runners up last season....yet Jose is the one getting stick. Klopp has been good for Liverpool,but they have won nothing.....Pochettino at Spurs....again won nothing.

Talk about selective reading... did you miss the words “context” and “shambles”?

Liverpool are currently on a steady, upward trajectory. Are United?

As for the trophies... all those McKenna Cups must mean that Tyrone men were thrilled with Mickey Harte and his senior team’s performances for the first half of this decade.

As a Liverpool fan for decades, I couldn’t give two f**ks about the League Cup or the FA Cup. Europa Cup, if they end up in it, similarly, with its Thursday night games affecting the league (yes, if you make the semis, you’d like to win it and get that Champions League guarantee, but you wouldn’t be too bothered up to that).

Those trophies are pleasant window dressing on top of a good league/champions league
 performance, but in themselves, fairly meaningless. Progress in the league and champions league is the barometer.

Do United fans look back fondly on Van Gaal winning the FA Cup or Mourinho beating a very young Ajax in the UEFA Cup, or are they more concerned about how far United are away from even hinting at being able to challenge City?

Liverpool ended 2012 with a league cup and an FA Cup final loss after being denied a legitimate goal pre-goal line technology. Given the horrible league performance (and probably his handling of the Suarez-Evra scandal) and despite the esteem in which Dalglish was held, FSG made the right call and not too many fans disagreed.

Spurs... up and coming coach, playing very good football with an excellent first eleven but no squad depth. Some might question why Poch is staying there rather than why Spurs are happy with him.


I actually do look back fondly on that FA Cup win. It had been a long time since United's previous one, the introduction of young players and their impact in that run was exciting and despite the general poor form and lack of progress, I had a soft spot for Van Gaal. He didn't down tools and kept trying at least, even after he was sacked days before the cup final.

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« Reply #45076 on: December 07, 2018, 04:57:53 PM »


the one season when Liverpool are above Utd in terms of points and its like Liverpool are winning the league, their fans have written the season off because they sit behind City, without playing them! they have a fantastic team and well capable of beating City home and away but lack confidence, which is where Klopp doesnt..


Already played them at home, nil nil draw

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« Reply #45077 on: December 07, 2018, 05:11:33 PM »
"We stayed ahead of teams with more potential than us". Mourinho today on United finishing 2nd last season.

Does he realize that he is managing Man United and not Stoke City and how poor United have regressed this season?

His agent has given him the kiss of death by saying he's staying long term. The business men running the club will without a doubt be sacking Jose if United don't have champions league football for next season.


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« Reply #45078 on: December 07, 2018, 07:33:26 PM »


the one season when Liverpool are above Utd in terms of points and its like Liverpool are winning the league, their fans have written the season off because they sit behind City, without playing them! they have a fantastic team and well capable of beating City home and away but lack confidence, which is where Klopp doesnt..


Already played them at home, nil nil draw

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« Reply #45079 on: December 08, 2018, 02:34:05 PM »
Bournemouth goal difference taking a hammering a silver lining for united fans in the early kick off.
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« Reply #45080 on: December 08, 2018, 02:56:59 PM »
We held off getting 5 so that they stayed in 7th....

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« Reply #45081 on: December 08, 2018, 06:14:08 PM »
A rare comfortable home win for United today and could have scored 7 or 8 goals against a very poor Fulham team, early days yet but Dalot is looking like a long term option at full back. 6th in the table now and that's where United will likely finish the season. Pogba not used today will add more fuel to the fire of his exit rumours.


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« Reply #45082 on: December 08, 2018, 09:34:16 PM »
We held off getting 5 so that they stayed in 7th....

If only you had a manager with the bottle for a title run in eh?   ;D

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« Reply #45083 on: December 08, 2018, 09:45:33 PM »
We held off getting 5 so that they stayed in 7th....

If only you had a manager with the bottle for a title run in eh?   ;D

Like a 2 time league winning manager??
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« Reply #45084 on: December 08, 2018, 09:55:29 PM »
We held off getting 5 so that they stayed in 7th....

If only you had a manager with the bottle for a title run in eh?   ;D

Like a 2 time league winning manager??
Top 4 by new year  ;D ;D

Yep, JK should manage that at least ...

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« Reply #45085 on: December 08, 2018, 11:03:18 PM »
We held off getting 5 so that they stayed in 7th....

If only you had a manager with the bottle for a title run in eh?   ;D

Like a 2 time league winning manager??

Poor cub didn’t think that through or maybe 2010-12 is before his time!

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« Reply #45086 on: December 09, 2018, 12:31:08 AM »
With the real derby coming up will Utd rest players in Europe to have a better chance against Liverpool seeing as they have already progressed? Klopp will need all players available for both games.. team lying first against a 6th placed team st home is a shoe in. But fancy a 0/0
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« Reply #45087 on: December 09, 2018, 10:17:35 AM »
We held off getting 5 so that they stayed in 7th....

If only you had a manager with the bottle for a title run in eh?   ;D

Like a 2 time league winning manager??

Poor cub didn’t think that through or maybe 2010-12 is before his time!

We'll let it slide. He's clearly hurting!

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« Reply #45088 on: December 09, 2018, 11:59:17 AM »
We held off getting 5 so that they stayed in 7th....

If only you had a manager with the bottle for a title run in eh?   ;D

Like a 2 time league winning manager??
Top 4 by new year  ;D ;D

He has won it 3 times. He has won 8 league titles in 4 different countries. He's no dah!

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« Reply #45089 on: December 10, 2018, 11:05:17 AM »
Nice handy win for once. Good work by Rashford. He needs to improve on finishing easier chances and not conceding soft frees when he has worked hard to close lads down. Dalot showing potential alright. Fulham look a cert for the drop though, looked very poor.