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« Reply #43965 on: June 14, 2018, 11:47:25 AM »
Lots of complaints about Martial and Rashford not getting enough playing time. Can any of you tell what big club would have Martial and Rashford as their main men?

Rashford has played enough for his age, but Martial was flying until January and Sanchez was preferred over him yet had 20 terrible games in a row.  Martial gets the odd sub appearance and if he didn't set the world alight he was publicly criticized and benched for 4/5 games.  Double standards.  Martial and Rashford are strikers at the end of the day and don't get a look in in their preferred position.  We are judging them in positions that aren't their own.

I did ask the question what big clubs would have either in their best starting 11?  Barca, RM, PSG, Bayern, City, Liverpool.. don't think so.

Yeah I know Liverpool aren't a big club ... just put em in there for comedy value lol

I think that is the point we are making, both are playing out of position, both want to be a number 9. Until they get the chance to prove that they are the real deal in that position they will not be attracting the top teams. So either that wait it out at United hoping to get that chance and play in the position they currently do, or they take the chance and move to a team who will give them that opportunity.

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« Reply #43966 on: June 14, 2018, 11:49:58 AM »
Lots of complaints about Martial and Rashford not getting enough playing time. Can any of you tell what big club would have Martial and Rashford as their main men?

Rashford has played enough for his age, but Martial was flying until January and Sanchez was preferred over him yet had 20 terrible games in a row.  Martial gets the odd sub appearance and if he didn't set the world alight he was publicly criticized and benched for 4/5 games.  Double standards.  Martial and Rashford are strikers at the end of the day and don't get a look in in their preferred position.  We are judging them in positions that aren't their own.

I did ask the question what big clubs would have either in their best starting 11?  Barca, RM, PSG, Bayern, City, Liverpool.. don't think so.

Yeah I know Liverpool aren't a big club ... just put em in there for comedy value lol

If either were playing under Klopp they would excel as his attacking style would suit them perfectly. 

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« Reply #43967 on: June 14, 2018, 12:08:37 PM »
How many top clubs would have put Salah in their teams this time last year?

A good coach gets the best out of what talents he has at his disposal.....not buying players that fit his regimented way of doing things (which it's arguable is now obsolete).

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« Reply #43968 on: June 14, 2018, 01:14:23 PM »
How many top clubs would have put Salah in their teams this time last year?

A good coach gets the best out of what talents he has at his disposal.....not buying players that fit his regimented way of doing things (which it's arguable is now obsolete).

So attractive football with no silverware?  80's stuff from Man Utd then? Strike the balance then its a good mix, but Jose is no Fergie or Klopp, neither of which is available and I really can't see someone coming in that will be able to handle the Utd expectations to be honest
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« Reply #43969 on: June 14, 2018, 01:25:22 PM »
How many top clubs would have put Salah in their teams this time last year?

A good coach gets the best out of what talents he has at his disposal.....not buying players that fit his regimented way of doing things (which it's arguable is now obsolete).

So attractive football with no silverware?  80's stuff from Man Utd then? Strike the balance then its a good mix, but Jose is no Fergie or Klopp, neither of which is available and I really can't see someone coming in that will be able to handle the Utd expectations to be honest


Better than unattractive and no silverware unless we're suddenly getting all excited about the league cup and a competition that United should never be in.

United were good in the 80's at times but inconsistent and desperately unlucky with injuries....mainly to Robbo. Trouble is they were up against the Borg.

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« Reply #43970 on: June 14, 2018, 01:33:29 PM »
How many top clubs would have put Salah in their teams this time last year?

A good coach gets the best out of what talents he has at his disposal.....not buying players that fit his regimented way of doing things (which it's arguable is now obsolete).

So attractive football with no silverware?  80's stuff from Man Utd then? Strike the balance then its a good mix, but Jose is no Fergie or Klopp, neither of which is available and I really can't see someone coming in that will be able to handle the Utd expectations to be honest


Better than unattractive and no silverware unless we're suddenly getting all excited about the league cup and a competition that United should never be in.

United were good in the 80's at times but inconsistent and desperately unlucky with injuries....mainly to Robbo. Trouble is they were up against the Borg.

Yes star studded team with flair but, the odd FA cup was the only prize!!

United needs stability and if that means trying to pick up the odd cup here and there then so be it, at the minute I can't see past City, United need to stretch the gap between 2nd and 3rd this season, get closer to City and be in with a shout (6 points) come Easter...

I don't see any flair managers available, a) willing to take on Utd, b) having the skills to deal with a big club
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« Reply #43971 on: June 14, 2018, 02:19:58 PM »
Martial is not good enough to start for united - even on his best days, which I struggle to recall many of - he is not better than decent at the level United want to compete at. Solid squad player if he would apply himself but he won't because he drops his head at every obstacle. Good riddance and a perfect make weight in any deal for Bale would make sense though can't see Madrid being that soft.

Rashford is not a pile better except that his attitude is generally spot on. If he wasn't a local lad i'm not sure there'd be anything near as much support for him. At this stage of his development he is a back up striker / left sided attacker for any team challenging for a title. Hopefully by the time he's 25 he will be capable of leading the attack but i'm not convinced.

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« Reply #43972 on: June 14, 2018, 04:32:32 PM »
Martial is not good enough to start for united - even on his best days, which I struggle to recall many of - he is not better than decent at the level United want to compete at. Solid squad player if he would apply himself but he won't because he drops his head at every obstacle. Good riddance and a perfect make weight in any deal for Bale would make sense though can't see Madrid being that soft.

Rashford is not a pile better except that his attitude is generally spot on. If he wasn't a local lad i'm not sure there'd be anything near as much support for him. At this stage of his development he is a back up striker / left sided attacker for any team challenging for a title. Hopefully by the time he's 25 he will be capable of leading the attack but i'm not convinced.


This time last year how did you rate Mo Salah?

Tell me who United should get to replace Martial and/or Rashford?

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« Reply #43973 on: June 14, 2018, 04:35:22 PM »
Martial is not good enough to start for united - even on his best days, which I struggle to recall many of - he is not better than decent at the level United want to compete at. Solid squad player if he would apply himself but he won't because he drops his head at every obstacle. Good riddance and a perfect make weight in any deal for Bale would make sense though can't see Madrid being that soft.

Rashford is not a pile better except that his attitude is generally spot on. If he wasn't a local lad i'm not sure there'd be anything near as much support for him. At this stage of his development he is a back up striker / left sided attacker for any team challenging for a title. Hopefully by the time he's 25 he will be capable of leading the attack but i'm not convinced.


This time last year how did you rate Mo Salah?

Tell me who United should get to replace Martial and/or Rashford?

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« Reply #43974 on: June 14, 2018, 10:47:33 PM »
Martial is not good enough to start for united - even on his best days, which I struggle to recall many of - he is not better than decent at the level United want to compete at. Solid squad player if he would apply himself but he won't because he drops his head at every obstacle. Good riddance and a perfect make weight in any deal for Bale would make sense though can't see Madrid being that soft.

Rashford is not a pile better except that his attitude is generally spot on. If he wasn't a local lad i'm not sure there'd be anything near as much support for him. At this stage of his development he is a back up striker / left sided attacker for any team challenging for a title. Hopefully by the time he's 25 he will be capable of leading the attack but i'm not convinced.


This time last year how did you rate Mo Salah?

Tell me who United should get to replace Martial and/or Rashford?

I already did in the post you replied to. Not sure why you think i'm advocating getting rid of Rashford - just that sulky French "give the ball away at every turn" merchant

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« Reply #43975 on: June 15, 2018, 02:41:03 AM »
Martial is not good enough to start for united - even on his best days, which I struggle to recall many of - he is not better than decent at the level United want to compete at. Solid squad player if he would apply himself but he won't because he drops his head at every obstacle. Good riddance and a perfect make weight in any deal for Bale would make sense though can't see Madrid being that soft.

Rashford is not a pile better except that his attitude is generally spot on. If he wasn't a local lad i'm not sure there'd be anything near as much support for him. At this stage of his development he is a back up striker / left sided attacker for any team challenging for a title. Hopefully by the time he's 25 he will be capable of leading the attack but i'm not convinced.


This time last year how did you rate Mo Salah?

Tell me who United should get to replace Martial and/or Rashford?

I already did in the post you replied to. Not sure why you think i'm advocating getting rid of Rashford - just that sulky French "give the ball away at every turn" merchant

This is a very weird take on Martial.

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« Reply #43976 on: June 15, 2018, 05:26:26 PM »
Completely disagree that he lacks the drive/will to win. He was publicly criticised by his manager and responded admirably only to be sidelined for no reason.

Pretty much everything I predicted (and was told I was mad) when Mourinho was appointed is coming to pass. Rashford very unhappy too and contemplating leaving (club preparing a big deal to try and keep him as they're also doing with Martial). DeGea - doesn't look good on that front either. It's depressing but predictable......people don't want to play for this dinosaur. Just a shame some united fans cannot see it.

My earnest hope was that he'd be sacked before he did irreparable damage like losing Martial and Rashford. A big summer ahead. I just hope United can hold on to them over the summer so they're still there when Jose gets sacked in October/November.

Where do you get this stuff from?

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/david-de-gea-manchester-united-14790069

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« Reply #43977 on: June 15, 2018, 11:07:26 PM »
Completely disagree that he lacks the drive/will to win. He was publicly criticised by his manager and responded admirably only to be sidelined for no reason.

Pretty much everything I predicted (and was told I was mad) when Mourinho was appointed is coming to pass. Rashford very unhappy too and contemplating leaving (club preparing a big deal to try and keep him as they're also doing with Martial). DeGea - doesn't look good on that front either. It's depressing but predictable......people don't want to play for this dinosaur. Just a shame some united fans cannot see it.

My earnest hope was that he'd be sacked before he did irreparable damage like losing Martial and Rashford. A big summer ahead. I just hope United can hold on to them over the summer so they're still there when Jose gets sacked in October/November.

Where do you get this stuff from?

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/david-de-gea-manchester-united-14790069


Did you read the article? DeGea left his options open when asked a direct question. Rashford has expressed his dissatisfaction on numberous occasions. United's response is to give them more money to stay which I hope works. But if you think all is rosy in the camp you're more deluded than most.

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« Reply #43978 on: June 17, 2018, 06:58:50 AM »

Post up a link there to where Rashford has expressed his dissatisfaction...

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« Reply #43979 on: June 18, 2018, 11:01:48 AM »
De Gea will only leave for Real Madrid and looks like their in for the Brazilian keeper.