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« Reply #43455 on: March 14, 2018, 09:31:38 AM »
I'm not a fan of Mourinho by any means but what did people expect? We know the type of football he plays, the vicious insults and put downs and general ballbag behaviour that he promotes. However Ed Woodward seems to be bomb proof, he escapes most of the blame for hiring the last 3 managers all of whom have played uninspired bore fest football. He gets the cheque book out each summer and signs a couple of headline signings to keep the fans happy but there is a bad atmosphere in the club at home matches since there is very little to get the fans off their seats.

On Mourinho, he has improved Lingaard and brought through McTominay (though the jury is still out on him longer term) but practically no other player has improved under him, most have sttod still or gone backwards. I still think there are a lot of very good players in the side who are under performing. Results have not been too bad overall but it is more the style of football that I have an issue with. Even in recent games where we got results the performances have not been that great but as I said, in order to justify that type of football you need to be winning constantly.

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« Reply #43456 on: March 14, 2018, 09:46:02 AM »
That was dreadful, as soon as I saw the team I was worried. I still can't believe he started Fellaini, one of the most bizare decisions I've ever seen any manager make. He's not a defensive midfielder and it left United with no control over Sevilla at all, playing him alongside Matic when he's fit is bad enough but to play him after barely playing any football in months was a crazy decision he'll regret for a long time.

Ultimately its the managers fault and Mourinho deserves all the flack he gets for last night, Sevilla are a good side but its obvious the English clubs have improved in recent years judging by results this season but we gave them too much respect last night although there's no chance you can control a match with a midfield 2 of Matic & Fellaini, I can see what he was trying to do but it was obvious early on that Fellaini was having a poor night and struggled to control any ball that came his way.

Apart from Lukaku everyone else was poor, United needed to start with a high tempo and didn't: I put most of that down to Fellaini's inclusion, he's too easy to play against and not good enough at pressuring opponents.

I still think Mourinho is the right man for the job but obviously he's not beyond criticism. He's got to get it right next season which is mounting a proper title challenge and playing better football consistently. He's never going to play football like Pep or Klopp but his Chelsea teams were decent to watch though. I've no doubt he'll get money to bring in better players but its still worrying you can make a case we still need 5 players. In an ideal world we need 2 new fullbacks, a centre half, centre mid and a right sided attacking player but I just don't see that happening. He needed to have a bigger clearout last summer and bring in more players but that didn't materialise, still don't understand why a leftback wasn't bought.

We'll all agree Mourinho isn't getting the most out of his attacking players.

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« Reply #43457 on: March 14, 2018, 10:00:16 AM »
That was dreadful, as soon as I saw the team I was worried. I still can't believe he started Fellaini, one of the most bizare decisions I've ever seen any manager make. He's not a defensive midfielder and it left United with no control over Sevilla at all, playing him alongside Matic when he's fit is bad enough but to play him after barely playing any football in months was a crazy decision he'll regret for a long time.

Ultimately its the managers fault and Mourinho deserves all the flack he gets for last night, Sevilla are a good side but its obvious the English clubs have improved in recent years judging by results this season but we gave them too much respect last night although there's no chance you can control a match with a midfield 2 of Matic & Fellaini, I can see what he was trying to do but it was obvious early on that Fellaini was having a poor night and struggled to control any ball that came his way.

Apart from Lukaku everyone else was poor, United needed to start with a high tempo and didn't: I put most of that down to Fellaini's inclusion, he's too easy to play against and not good enough at pressuring opponents.

I still think Mourinho is the right man for the job but obviously he's not beyond criticism. He's got to get it right next season which is mounting a proper title challenge and playing better football consistently. He's never going to play football like Pep or Klopp but his Chelsea teams were decent to watch though. I've no doubt he'll get money to bring in better players but its still worrying you can make a case we still need 5 players. In an ideal world we need 2 new fullbacks, a centre half, centre mid and a right sided attacking player but I just don't see that happening. He needed to have a bigger clearout last summer and bring in more players but that didn't materialise, still don't understand why a leftback wasn't bought.

We'll all agree Mourinho isn't getting the most out of his attacking players.

Ashley Young is playing the best football of his career and likely to be England's first choice left back for the World Cup. Valencia also having a good season. Of all the problems Utd have, full backs aren't one of them.

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« Reply #43458 on: March 14, 2018, 10:02:41 AM »
Mourinho haters. Would you swap Mourinho for Klopp, who is almost the polar opposite. A lad who attacks every game, with fewer resources, but who seems to have only a casual acquaintance with defending and defensive game plans. He may win stuff, but he probably won't win as much as Mourinho and his style.

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Yes, if Klopp had Jose’s resources, I’d like to think he could construct a decent defence to match a far better attack.


However, as regards Lingard being the only player to improve - all the attacking players that were here last year have already exceeded goals scored and assists for the whole of last season, with the exception of Pogba who has scored less goals than last year.

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« Reply #43459 on: March 14, 2018, 10:09:30 AM »
That was dreadful, as soon as I saw the team I was worried. I still can't believe he started Fellaini, one of the most bizare decisions I've ever seen any manager make. He's not a defensive midfielder and it left United with no control over Sevilla at all, playing him alongside Matic when he's fit is bad enough but to play him after barely playing any football in months was a crazy decision he'll regret for a long time.

Ultimately its the managers fault and Mourinho deserves all the flack he gets for last night, Sevilla are a good side but its obvious the English clubs have improved in recent years judging by results this season but we gave them too much respect last night although there's no chance you can control a match with a midfield 2 of Matic & Fellaini, I can see what he was trying to do but it was obvious early on that Fellaini was having a poor night and struggled to control any ball that came his way.

Apart from Lukaku everyone else was poor, United needed to start with a high tempo and didn't: I put most of that down to Fellaini's inclusion, he's too easy to play against and not good enough at pressuring opponents.

I still think Mourinho is the right man for the job but obviously he's not beyond criticism. He's got to get it right next season which is mounting a proper title challenge and playing better football consistently. He's never going to play football like Pep or Klopp but his Chelsea teams were decent to watch though. I've no doubt he'll get money to bring in better players but its still worrying you can make a case we still need 5 players. In an ideal world we need 2 new fullbacks, a centre half, centre mid and a right sided attacking player but I just don't see that happening. He needed to have a bigger clearout last summer and bring in more players but that didn't materialise, still don't understand why a leftback wasn't bought.

We'll all agree Mourinho isn't getting the most out of his attacking players.

Ashley Young is playing the best football of his career and likely to be England's first choice left back for the World Cup. Valencia also having a good season. Of all the problems Utd have, full backs aren't one of them.

The full backs rarely cross the half way line, create overlaps or produce anything in an attacking sense in the big games under Mourinho. It is the way he has always set up. Keep the full backs in a rigid position, you don't have to be a great footballer to play this role.

Young has been decent in certain games but as Roy Keane said recently, I always worry if he is getting into the starting XI. Valencia has had a poor season and no longer has the athleticism he had a few years back. 

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« Reply #43460 on: March 14, 2018, 10:20:51 AM »
Has to be the influence of Mourinho:

Matic - a mainstay in the Chelsea team that won the league, largely anonymous now
Valencia - i accept hes getting older but hes went from being Utds best outfield player, continuously on the overlap attacking to barely crossing the half way line..his best means of defence was attack..hes lost that now
Sanchez - a shadow of the player he was at Arsenal
Mata - despite odd glimpses nowhere near the player he was at Chelsea
Pogba - has arguably never been good at Utd but again has shown not one bit of the quality he showed at the Euros
Lukaku - whilst I accept his goal scoring return isnt bad IMO he does not look like the player he was at Everton, bundle of energy, banging in goals for fun on a more limited team, full of movement etc
Martial - its evident the lad has bags of potential but simply just does not look like fulfilling it at Utd
Shaw - bad injury has had an effect but he was some player at Southampton, where has that quality gone now..
I could go on....

Its clear these are all class players in their own right but they seem to play at Utd with an inhibition or fear of playing outside their obviously coached remit.

For chr1st sake Pogba came on last nite and kicked away 4 balls with noone even marking him..thats a guy who doesnt want to be there..



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« Reply #43461 on: March 14, 2018, 10:48:20 AM »
Most odd that anyone would pick out the fullbacks as an issue when they’re both performing at a high quality. Smacks of just wanting new toys to play with. Which I suppose has been Man Utd’s transfer policy since Di Maria.

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« Reply #43462 on: March 14, 2018, 11:03:56 AM »
Most odd that anyone would pick out the fullbacks as an issue when they’re both performing at a high quality. Smacks of just wanting new toys to play with. Which I suppose has been Man Utd’s transfer policy since Di Maria.

I hope you're not serious. They are both 32 years of age and whilst Young had a few good games he has never been what I would consider Man Utd standard. Valencia, whilst having been a solid player for a few years previously, has been poor this season, he has gone backwards and rarely offers anything now in an attacking sense.   

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« Reply #43463 on: March 14, 2018, 11:06:55 AM »
Maybe united should go 4-5-1. Play the back 4, then two holding DMs, with Pogba ahead of them and free to do whatever he wants, with Rashford and Martial getting up and down. Sanchez probably wouldn't fit in that team, but I'm not sure he fits at the moment.

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« Reply #43464 on: March 14, 2018, 11:42:11 AM »

Juve gave a masterclass the previous week of how to soak up pressure and hit on the counter, that's the style Jose likes and tries to replicate at Manu.
Problem is Smalling, Lindelof, Bailly, Jones, Roho aren't Chiellini or even close to it and Jose hasn't really made an effort to buy a high end defender.
He then spunks big money on Sanchez and Pogba (A) because he can and (B) the fans initially think its great and it appeases them when the see what the Arabs are buying next door.

Jose is caught between two stools and is making a mess of it.

But.. but... but I thought Shaw was going to be the next great English defender when he was signed, the media told us so. When it turned out he was an unfit crock, Lindelof, who must have been world class because MU had been pursuing him for several seasons, was brought in. Looks like he's a dud now too. Pogba is a world class midfielder, but not at OT. Where's it gone wrong?

Last night was reminiscent of some of the great OT nights under SAF, after the latest mid-tier continental outfit had passed his team silly. A usually puce and almost-incoherent Ferguson would serve up more entertainment at the post-match interviews than what had been witnessed on the field.

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« Reply #43465 on: March 14, 2018, 11:48:15 AM »

Juve gave a masterclass the previous week of how to soak up pressure and hit on the counter, that's the style Jose likes and tries to replicate at Manu.
Problem is Smalling, Lindelof, Bailly, Jones, Roho aren't Chiellini or even close to it and Jose hasn't really made an effort to buy a high end defender.
He then spunks big money on Sanchez and Pogba (A) because he can and (B) the fans initially think its great and it appeases them when the see what the Arabs are buying next door.

Jose is caught between two stools and is making a mess of it.

But.. but... but I thought Shaw was going to be the next great English defender when he was signed, the media told us so. When it turned out he was an unfit crock, Lindelof, who must have been world class because MU had been pursuing him for several seasons, was brought in. Looks like he's a dud now too. Pogba is a world class midfielder, but not at OT. Where's it gone wrong?

Last night was reminiscent of some of the great OT nights under SAF, after the latest mid-tier continental outfit had passed his team silly. A usually puce and almost-incoherent Ferguson would serve up more entertainment at the post-match interviews than what had been witnessed on the field.

This was my favourite Fergie tantrum . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbfGi54ZF84

Yeah they didn't get out of the group that season!!!

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« Reply #43466 on: March 14, 2018, 11:55:09 AM »
That was dreadful, as soon as I saw the team I was worried. I still can't believe he started Fellaini, one of the most bizare decisions I've ever seen any manager make. He's not a defensive midfielder and it left United with no control over Sevilla at all, playing him alongside Matic when he's fit is bad enough but to play him after barely playing any football in months was a crazy decision he'll regret for a long time.

Ultimately its the managers fault and Mourinho deserves all the flack he gets for last night, Sevilla are a good side but its obvious the English clubs have improved in recent years judging by results this season but we gave them too much respect last night although there's no chance you can control a match with a midfield 2 of Matic & Fellaini, I can see what he was trying to do but it was obvious early on that Fellaini was having a poor night and struggled to control any ball that came his way.

Apart from Lukaku everyone else was poor, United needed to start with a high tempo and didn't: I put most of that down to Fellaini's inclusion, he's too easy to play against and not good enough at pressuring opponents.

I still think Mourinho is the right man for the job but obviously he's not beyond criticism. He's got to get it right next season which is mounting a proper title challenge and playing better football consistently. He's never going to play football like Pep or Klopp but his Chelsea teams were decent to watch though. I've no doubt he'll get money to bring in better players but its still worrying you can make a case we still need 5 players. In an ideal world we need 2 new fullbacks, a centre half, centre mid and a right sided attacking player but I just don't see that happening. He needed to have a bigger clearout last summer and bring in more players but that didn't materialise, still don't understand why a leftback wasn't bought.

We'll all agree Mourinho isn't getting the most out of his attacking players.

Ashley Young is playing the best football of his career and likely to be England's first choice left back for the World Cup. Valencia also having a good season. Of all the problems Utd have, full backs aren't one of them.

The full backs rarely cross the half way line, create overlaps or produce anything in an attacking sense in the big games under Mourinho. It is the way he has always set up. Keep the full backs in a rigid position, you don't have to be a great footballer to play this role.

Young has been decent in certain games but as Roy Keane said recently, I always worry if he is getting into the starting XI. Valencia has had a poor season and no longer has the athleticism he had a few years back.

Agreed, Young has had one good games in the last few months and Valenica is nothing like the player he has been the last few years. They would both be good backups to new fullbacks. United need a clearout, the likes of Blind & Darmian aren't good enough and neither is Smalling.

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« Reply #43467 on: March 14, 2018, 11:56:48 AM »

Juve gave a masterclass the previous week of how to soak up pressure and hit on the counter, that's the style Jose likes and tries to replicate at Manu.
Problem is Smalling, Lindelof, Bailly, Jones, Roho aren't Chiellini or even close to it and Jose hasn't really made an effort to buy a high end defender.
He then spunks big money on Sanchez and Pogba (A) because he can and (B) the fans initially think its great and it appeases them when the see what the Arabs are buying next door.

Jose is caught between two stools and is making a mess of it.

But.. but... but I thought Shaw was going to be the next great English defender when he was signed, the media told us so. When it turned out he was an unfit crock, Lindelof, who must have been world class because MU had been pursuing him for several seasons, was brought in. Looks like he's a dud now too. Pogba is a world class midfielder, but not at OT. Where's it gone wrong?

Last night was reminiscent of some of the great OT nights under SAF, after the latest mid-tier continental outfit had passed his team silly. A usually puce and almost-incoherent Ferguson would serve up more entertainment at the post-match interviews than what had been witnessed on the field.

World class midfielders are all team players, ones that work as hard off the ball than on it. Teams that performs poorly get knocked out of cup competitions and managers will use every excuse under the sun why they lost.

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« Reply #43468 on: March 14, 2018, 03:22:41 PM »
Fergie's best rant and this after winning too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0103jCmrjAA

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« Reply #43469 on: March 14, 2018, 03:52:59 PM »
I just saw Mourinho's comments about how he knocked Man Utd out at OT with Porto and Real Madrid, so it's nothing new for United. He's some cookie.