Man Utd Thread:

[Cunny Funt]

Giggs either offers nothing sensible or Van Gaal doesn't listen to anything he says. I do not think Giggs has the charisma for that job. All eyes will be on Gary Neville in Spain. I think  Ferguson is secretly wetting himself at the prospect.

Neville will have to prove his worth in Spain or Giggs gets the job, I would say Fergie would prefer Neville but you never know.

f**k Ferguson. He left the team in shite and picked a completely incompetent replacement. He has done enough damage.

Neither Giggs nor Neville(s) are worth consideration as replacements for LVG when he leaves in 18 months time. They have achieved nothing in management.

Stew - am I right in thinking you believe Giggs would be a bad manager because of his infidelities? Surely as a Christian (I assume you are) you should be promoting forgiveness and being non-judgemental. Judgement is reserved for one entity, no?

Wash your mouth out, if SAF were to return it would all change. Thats just a ridiculous comment on the manager who led us to all the silverware over the last 20 years. im not calling for a return but there was a certain mentality, and beyond all a FEAR. For anyone to slate SAF for retiring is BS, he left with a title winning team!Transition could take this team 5 years. We have been lucky the quality of the league has been so poor or we would already be out of the picture.  We are 3 points from top of the league, form has been poor and quality of football also but if someone was to give you the current table after 15 games at the beginning of the season im sure any fan would have snapped their hand off. Undoubtedly, there will be a huge regret if we do not strngthen in defense & attack come January 31st

It's not a ridiculous comment. Ferguson is probably the greatest manager in history but he is also an egomaniac. He can't stop talking in the media or writing books - he loves the limelight and the adulation. For all his greatness the football played by his teams in the last few years was awful at times and also for a time during the mid-2000's. He treated great club servants unnecessarily harshly when he deemed them past their usefulness. He cost the club approx. 80-100M with his treatment of Pogba and made many terrible transfers.

And undeniably he left the team/squad in bad shape when he left, appointing a guy who was destined to fail. Yes they won the league but it was a poor league then and it's a poor league now, relatively.

If LVG is to be micro analysed and criticised under the microscope, why the reluctance to do the same to others?

I do agree the FEAR factor has gone. I think the time a Sunderland players walked through United's defense (Rio especially) from the halfway line was the moment I copped that. It didn't go overnight and won't come back overnight. United is being rebuilt and currently has few if any leaders. That needs to be addressed for this mentality to return. I think it will be but the team is coming from a low base.

f**k Ferguson was a ridiculous comment. The 13 premier league titles,global brand the club is today,the massive stadium and training complex,ability to spend hundreds of millions on players and the structures in place to keep United either challenging for the title or reaching top 4 probably wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for the job Ferguson did. He turned the club around without him United could just be another so called big club with a tradition such as Newcastle or Everton.

[Maroon Manc]

If LVG had played someone with pace in there I would agree with you but he played Fellaini who's neither quick or quick up top.
Hernandez wouldn't score goals the way we play and I'd had enough of his limited play outside the area. I agree on Wilson, he'll score a lot of goals for Brighton. He's one of the top 3 youngsters to come through the academy since the class of 92 in terms of ability.

Januzaj should be called back, he'd get more minutes playing for us.

By all accounts Ravel Morrison was the best of them...

He was but his attitude is appalling, ability wise he could have been the next Gazza but when you've got an attitude like his its not possible to make the most of his talent. He has no regard for anyone in authority and keeps very questionable company. Lazio will be his last big club. The only English clubs who were prepared to take him on when he left West Ham was Newcastle and Blackpool, Ashley wouldn't sanction it though and Blackpool would only offer a pay as you play deal.

He was not. Pogba was better than him then too. He had loads of talent though and will never fulfill it. Sad, but it's his own fault.

Pogba been better than anyone isn't a slight on them given how good he is but there's certainly more people who believe Morrison was the more talented of the two but it means nothing when you've not got the attitude.  I don't know how much you know about Morrison but he's comfortably the most uncontrollable player United have ever had, he's a loon.

[seafoid]

Fergie made a few mistakes but in fair he didn't have the money to compete for top players from 09-12. World class players left, aged and the money wasn't available to replace them with world class players. We were reluctant to pay big wages for too many players either.

After Ronaldo & Tevez  left our signings for the next 2 summers were Owen, Valencia, Smalling & Hernandez whilst Rio, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs & Evra were the wrong side of 30 and Hargreaves & Fletcher & Hargreaves had injuries and illnesses which meant they were past their best too. Fergie won the title in his last season as he squeezed every last drop from the older players and because of RVP. Barca, Real & Bayern would all replace their big names buy buying big name players, no wonder we were in such a state. Fergie left plenty of good squad players but not one player who you could world class or even remotely near world class. Don't get me wrong there were players who we should have signed and weren't that expensive like Robben who left Real the summer they bought Ronaldo.

The Glazers bought Man Utd as an investment, not to be the top team. There is more money merchandising in Asia.
And buying top players hits the bottom line. It's a business, not a football team.
Look at the shares over 5 years

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MANU

[snoopdog]

Fergie made a few mistakes but in fair he didn't have the money to compete for top players from 09-12. World class players left, aged and the money wasn't available to replace them with world class players. We were reluctant to pay big wages for too many players either.

After Ronaldo & Tevez  left our signings for the next 2 summers were Owen, Valencia, Smalling & Hernandez whilst Rio, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs & Evra were the wrong side of 30 and Hargreaves & Fletcher & Hargreaves had injuries and illnesses which meant they were past their best too. Fergie won the title in his last season as he squeezed every last drop from the older players and because of RVP. Barca, Real & Bayern would all replace their big names buy buying big name players, no wonder we were in such a state. Fergie left plenty of good squad players but not one player who you could world class or even remotely near world class. Don't get me wrong there were players who we should have signed and weren't that expensive like Robben who left Real the summer they bought Ronaldo.

The Glazers bought Man Utd as an investment, not to be the top team. There is more money merchandising in Asia.
And buying top players hits the bottom line. It's a business, not a football team.
Look at the shares over 5 years

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MANU

To be successful business wise they still need to be top in footb aalling terms. Cop on. How successful as a top club are ac milan now they haven't done anything in a number of seasons.

[seafoid]

Fergie made a few mistakes but in fair he didn't have the money to compete for top players from 09-12. World class players left, aged and the money wasn't available to replace them with world class players. We were reluctant to pay big wages for too many players either.

After Ronaldo & Tevez  left our signings for the next 2 summers were Owen, Valencia, Smalling & Hernandez whilst Rio, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs & Evra were the wrong side of 30 and Hargreaves & Fletcher & Hargreaves had injuries and illnesses which meant they were past their best too. Fergie won the title in his last season as he squeezed every last drop from the older players and because of RVP. Barca, Real & Bayern would all replace their big names buy buying big name players, no wonder we were in such a state. Fergie left plenty of good squad players but not one player who you could world class or even remotely near world class. Don't get me wrong there were players who we should have signed and weren't that expensive like Robben who left Real the summer they bought Ronaldo.

The Glazers bought Man Utd as an investment, not to be the top team. There is more money merchandising in Asia.
And buying top players hits the bottom line. It's a business, not a football team.
Look at the shares over 5 years

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MANU

To be successful business wise they still need to be top in footb aalling terms. Cop on. How successful as a top club are ac milan now they haven't done anything in a number of seasons.

Glazers are happy with top 4. Regular CL is good enough and they can flog MUFC on when the price goes high enough.
Chinese people don't have the same romantic attachment to the club as Irish people. But they'll buy the jerseys. Kerching.
The Glazers are the worst thing that could have happened to MUFC.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/20/glazers-thrive-manchester-united-flounder-ed-woodward

"Supporters are confronted with the legacy of £700m drained out in interest, fees and bank charges by the Glazers' takeover, botched planning and underinvestment, which can be traced back to 2009. Then United reached the Champions League final, where they lost to Barcelona, then sold Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid for £80m, a windfall that was not reinvested in recruiting new players...On 30 July, with the season about to start and player reinforcements clearly needed, the Glazers released their 167-page prospectus, tweaked a fortnight ago, to sell 12 million shares at $17 each in Manchester United plc – registered by them in the Cayman Islands tax haven and floated on the New York stock exchange. The document extols with familiar breathlessness the money made, the 659 million global "followers" for United and listing 29 of the club's "global and regional" sponsors, from Chevrolet on the shirts, Japanese instant noodles company Nissin, to Cho-a Pharm, United's "official pharmaceuticals partner in Korea and Vietnam"

It is so sad.

[Maroon Manc]

Fergie made a few mistakes but in fair he didn't have the money to compete for top players from 09-12. World class players left, aged and the money wasn't available to replace them with world class players. We were reluctant to pay big wages for too many players either.

After Ronaldo & Tevez  left our signings for the next 2 summers were Owen, Valencia, Smalling & Hernandez whilst Rio, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs & Evra were the wrong side of 30 and Hargreaves & Fletcher & Hargreaves had injuries and illnesses which meant they were past their best too. Fergie won the title in his last season as he squeezed every last drop from the older players and because of RVP. Barca, Real & Bayern would all replace their big names buy buying big name players, no wonder we were in such a state. Fergie left plenty of good squad players but not one player who you could world class or even remotely near world class. Don't get me wrong there were players who we should have signed and weren't that expensive like Robben who left Real the summer they bought Ronaldo.

The Glazers bought Man Utd as an investment, not to be the top team. There is more money merchandising in Asia.
And buying top players hits the bottom line. It's a business, not a football team.
Look at the shares over 5 years

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MANU

Without success and top players then their investment would certainly begin to suffer.

I maintain Fergie's best years of management was around 2006, bought 2 players in Evra & Vidic for great prices for players who turned out to be world class players. In 18 months he turned a team that looked to be going nowhere into Champions without spending much money. The Glazers got lucky in that period and success was maintained without re-investing the Ronaldo money and this is the main reason why we've had so much upheaval in the squad. Pre Glazers Fergie always went out and spent big on a player that would improve us immediately.

There's clearly been a shift in how United spend money, there's huge sums to spend now with interest payments under control and with revenue this season that will hit over £500m.

[seafoid]

Fergie made a few mistakes but in fair he didn't have the money to compete for top players from 09-12. World class players left, aged and the money wasn't available to replace them with world class players. We were reluctant to pay big wages for too many players either.

After Ronaldo & Tevez  left our signings for the next 2 summers were Owen, Valencia, Smalling & Hernandez whilst Rio, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs & Evra were the wrong side of 30 and Hargreaves & Fletcher & Hargreaves had injuries and illnesses which meant they were past their best too. Fergie won the title in his last season as he squeezed every last drop from the older players and because of RVP. Barca, Real & Bayern would all replace their big names buy buying big name players, no wonder we were in such a state. Fergie left plenty of good squad players but not one player who you could world class or even remotely near world class. Don't get me wrong there were players who we should have signed and weren't that expensive like Robben who left Real the summer they bought Ronaldo.

The Glazers bought Man Utd as an investment, not to be the top team. There is more money merchandising in Asia.
And buying top players hits the bottom line. It's a business, not a football team.
Look at the shares over 5 years

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MANU

Without success and top players then their investment would certainly begin to suffer.

I maintain Fergie's best years of management was around 2006, bought 2 players in Evra & Vidic for great prices for players who turned out to be world class players. In 18 months he turned a team that looked to be going nowhere into Champions without spending much money. The Glazers got lucky in that period and success was maintained without re-investing the Ronaldo money and this is the main reason why we've had so much upheaval in the squad. Pre Glazers Fergie always went out and spent big on a player that would improve us immediately.

There's clearly been a shift in how United spend money, there's huge sums to spend now with interest payments under   and with revenue this season that will hit over £500m.

The older players stayed too long. It is a very hard thing to maintain success. Same in the GAA.
But the Glazers are only interested in money.

[thebigfella]

In fairness Stones, Shaw, Smalling would make up some back 4. Especially if they continue on form and become the regular England choices.

Utd have more urgent areas to address but you'd have to say that would be a good signing.

[Boycey]

Yeah I suppose there is a figure that becomes a tipping point and any player becomes available... but in general the money available to mid reaching clubs is now so big that they're not under the same financial pressure to sell players. THat money takes another jump this summer with the arrival of a new TV rights package..

[AZOffaly]

In fairness Stones, Shaw, Smalling would make up some back 4. Especially if they continue on form and become the regular England choices.

Utd have more urgent areas to address but you'd have to say that would be a good signing.

Especially as there are only 3 of them

[stew]

Fergie made a few mistakes but in fair he didn't have the money to compete for top players from 09-12. World class players left, aged and the money wasn't available to replace them with world class players. We were reluctant to pay big wages for too many players either.

After Ronaldo & Tevez  left our signings for the next 2 summers were Owen, Valencia, Smalling & Hernandez whilst Rio, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs & Evra were the wrong side of 30 and Hargreaves & Fletcher & Hargreaves had injuries and illnesses which meant they were past their best too. Fergie won the title in his last season as he squeezed every last drop from the older players and because of RVP. Barca, Real & Bayern would all replace their big names buy buying big name players, no wonder we were in such a state. Fergie left plenty of good squad players but not one player who you could world class or even remotely near world class. Don't get me wrong there were players who we should have signed and weren't that expensive like Robben who left Real the summer they bought Ronaldo.

The Glazers bought Man Utd as an investment, not to be the top team. There is more money merchandising in Asia.
And buying top players hits the bottom line. It's a business, not a football team.
Look at the shares over 5 years

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MANU

Without success and top players then their investment would certainly begin to suffer.

I maintain Fergie's best years of management was around 2006, bought 2 players in Evra & Vidic for great prices for players who turned out to be world class players. In 18 months he turned a team that looked to be going nowhere into Champions without spending much money. The Glazers got lucky in that period and success was maintained without re-investing the Ronaldo money and this is the main reason why we've had so much upheaval in the squad. Pre Glazers Fergie always went out and spent big on a player that would improve us immediately.

There's clearly been a shift in how United spend money, there's huge sums to spend now with interest payments under control and with revenue this season that will hit over £500m.

Wasn't there boys on here spouting that they wanted Fergie gone in 04/05...........................................

[Boycey]

There's also boys who want the current manager to fail and be replaced by his assistant who'll do an even worse job so he'll get sacked too...

[stew]

There's also boys who want the current manager to fail and be replaced by his assistant who'll do an even worse job so he'll get sacked too...

I want Anceotti  or Pep G and never want Giggs near the place, LVG is a spoofer and has mailed it in, he talked about retirement at his first presser if memory serves, what kind of message does that send to the players, I really do not think he is giving his all, one massive paycheck then into retirement he goes.

I am still amazed that people wanted fergie out in 04/05, Are these lads actual United fans or is it something else?

[laoislad]

Much needed goal and win. Hope it continues in the league with a decent run of fixtures coming up.

So how's that decent run of fixtures working out for ye?
#philosophy
Ye should have played Rooney.

[GJL]

Disaster🤐