Man Utd Thread:

[stew]

When talking about defensive problems i'm surprised no mention of Evra here yet (our did i miss) for the best part of year now he's been the weakness in the United backline & yesterday was no different, first three goals all came from his side & the last three he was gone AWOL! City's full backs were excellent yesterday Nani,Young weren't given a inch while Silva was given the freedom of Old Trafford.

Evra looks apathetic and I wouldnt start him until he decides he is going to put in an honest 90 minutes work, hell if he can walk out on his Coach at the WC finals a la Keano he can sure as hell cash in a check for putting forth a half arsed effort that is way, way below what you would expect from a player of his calibre.

Silva was brilliant on Saturday, absolutely ruled the roost.

[ballinaman]

When talking about defensive problems i'm surprised no mention of Evra here yet (our did i miss) for the best part of year now he's been the weakness in the United backline & yesterday was no different, first three goals all came from his side & the last three he was gone AWOL! City's full backs were excellent yesterday Nani,Young weren't given a inch while Silva was given the freedom of Old Trafford.

Evra looks apathetic and I wouldnt start him until he decides he is going to put in an honest 90 minutes work, hell if he can walk out on his Coach at the WC finals a la Keano he can sure as hell cash in a check for putting forth a half arsed effort that is way, way below what you would expect from a player of his calibre.

Silva was brilliant on Saturday, absolutely ruled the roost.

Was Keane not sent home? .....................................................................................

[Dinny Breen]

A quick run through of that United team yesterday tells me it cost around £150m to assemble
you would think with the crying some are doing on here that it was built with youngsters and free transfers FFS, all of which were United fans as boys of course!

That's not the point that's being made. Utd (and I'm far from being a Utd fan) have assembled a team of foreign imports, homegrown players, academy players etc. A squad built over many seasons, added to here and there when the money and a player of good enough standard was available. Until those shysters from the US arrived, did Utd not live within their means? Were they not operating in the black?  Over the years they have splashed out on the likes of Ferdinand, Rooney etc, you have to to compete, but they did it with what their revenue from an achieved global brand allowed, that is the envy the world over and the benchmark for other top table teams. Their team yesterday did cost over £100M, just a t**ker's chuff more than Man City's sub bench right enough

On the other side,in comes a multi-billionaire, buys a new squad, who win the FA in the first year of being togethr, and now look likely to win the premier league (hammering Utd @ Old Trafford in the process) in their second year, making a mockery and a farce of the league in my opinion...I realise that predicting City will win the league is conjecture, but its very likely. The league has always been very weighted towards a few teams, esp with Sky sports coming along and spreading its wealth not too evenly. We seen it with Chelsea, but with City, its a whole new 'ball game'

Like most men folk in Ireland, I was reared watching the english soccer, still travel to Anfield every year, though its more of a weekend away than for the matches. It was always the GAA and soccer for me, but now its the GAA and rugby much more so. Christ, feel absolutely free to disagree with my opinion but offer an opinion rather than a one sentence pot shot. Be interested to know how others feel on this issue

It's the same model though, City have just accelerated theirs. It's professional sport, romance died in the English game once Sky entered the arena.

How is it the same model Dinny?

Cherry picking the best players in the EPL from other English clubs with ridiculous offers of cash so simultaneously strengthening your squad and weakening your rivals , how this wealth is obtained doesn't matter imho  -  Rooney, Ferdinand, Berbatov, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Carrick, Nasri, Clichy, Barry, Milner, Toure, Adam, Lescott etc etc. and bringing in expensive imports Anderson, Nani, De Gea, Aguero, Dezeko, Toure, Silva etc etc 

Man United have had time to pick up bargains such Hernandez and develop them but Man City don't have that luxury. Man City thanks to their wealth and just copying a proven model for Man U and Chelsea. 

Just find it funny that anyone can criticise Man City for "buying the title"....

City are playing the best football in EPL much better than that awful stuff Man United threw out last year, good on em I say..

[muppet]

I don't particularly like what City are doing. At least United, Arsenal & Liverpool have a tradition of developing players to lure players with. City just have the money.

[bennydorano]

City were hardly going to look that particular arabian gift horse in the mouth.  It's not as though they've appeared like an American type franchise either - they have their own proud footballing history, this is just another chapter.

There is no moral argument to answer.  A bigger boy has came along in the playground and some people just dont like it.

[laoislad]

When talking about defensive problems i'm surprised no mention of Evra here yet (our did i miss) for the best part of year now he's been the weakness in the United backline & yesterday was no different, first three goals all came from his side & the last three he was gone AWOL! City's full backs were excellent yesterday Nani,Young weren't given a inch while Silva was given the freedom of Old Trafford.

Evra looks apathetic and I wouldnt start him until he decides he is going to put in an honest 90 minutes work, hell if he can walk out on his Coach at the WC finals a la Keano he can sure as hell cash in a check for putting forth a half arsed effort that is way, way below what you would expect from a player of his calibre.

Silva was brilliant on Saturday, absolutely ruled the roost.

Was Keane not sent home? .....................................................................................

[stew]

City were hardly going to look that particular arabian gift horse in the mouth.  It's not as though they've appeared like an American type franchise either - they have their own proud footballing history, this is just another chapter.

There is no moral argument to answer.  A bigger boy has came along in the playground and some people just dont like it.

United fans complaining about city's millions is hypocritical, suck it up and go get em next time.

[From the Bunker]

City were hardly going to look that particular arabian gift horse in the mouth.  It's not as though they've appeared like an American type franchise either - they have their own proud footballing history, this is just another chapter.

There is no moral argument to answer.  A bigger boy has came along in the playground and some people just dont like it.

+100

[Orangemac]

When talking about defensive problems i'm surprised no mention of Evra here yet (our did i miss) for the best part of year now he's been the weakness in the United backline & yesterday was no different, first three goals all came from his side & the last three he was gone AWOL! City's full backs were excellent yesterday Nani,Young weren't given a inch while Silva was given the freedom of Old Trafford.

Silva was brilliant on Saturday, absolutely ruled the roost.

Silva's pass for the 6th goal was unreal. Easy to do when you're 5-1 up maybe but he has been the best player in the premiership so far this year.

United fans don't seem to have been so bitter about Chelsea buying the league with foreign money. Utd spent as much as City during the summer but are paying the price for not investing in a quality midfielder and bringing in an experienced goalkeeper.

[ross4life]

When talking about defensive problems i'm surprised no mention of Evra here yet (our did i miss) for the best part of year now he's been the weakness in the United backline & yesterday was no different, first three goals all came from his side & the last three he was gone AWOL! City's full backs were excellent yesterday Nani,Young weren't given a inch while Silva was given the freedom of Old Trafford.

Silva was brilliant on Saturday, absolutely ruled the roost.

Silva's pass for the 6th goal was unreal. Easy to do when you're 5-1 up maybe but he has been the best player in the premiership so far this year.

United fans don't seem to have been so bitter about Chelsea buying the league with foreign money. Utd spent as much as City during the summer but are paying the price for not investing in a quality midfielder and bringing in an experienced goalkeeper.

Good pass alright but shocking defending from a United point of view.

It's clear United's summer signings were about the future & i would be hopeful that one of the home grown talents can become that quality midfielder in the years ahead. Not sure about bitterness thing Chelsea raised the bar in 2005 fair fcuks to them & fergie had a job on his hands to overcome it but passed that test with flying colours & now it looks like he has one final challenge to overcome before he retires.

[BennyCake]

Silva was brilliant yesterday.  The pass for the sixth goal was fantastic. 

3-1 would've been grand, until Rio's awful back pass that led to the fourth.  The marking for that goal was shocking. 

[new devil]

[Dinny Breen]

Thought I'd still see David May in that photo...

[Clown]

I don't particularly like what City are doing. At least United, Arsenal & Liverpool have a tradition of developing players to lure players with. City just have the money.

neither do a lot of United fans

1-6 in their own back yard

[Billys Boots]

I don't particularly like what City are doing. At least United, Arsenal & Liverpool have a tradition of developing players to lure players with. City just have the money.

In fairness, City have run a good academy in the past ten years and won the FA Youth Cup two seasons ago (against Chelsea) with a team of excellent footballers (as opposed to Chelsea's much bigger athletes).  I think Vladimir Weiss scored the winner, but I may be wrong.