Man Utd Thread:

[Armagh18]

Let him at it I say. Changing managers isn't the answer as seen with all of them post Fergie.

Roy Keane and a good ash plant half them boys need.

Chelsea proved you could hire and fire at will and still win trophies. If the structures are right - you can do anything.

The difference is that for 20 years Chelsea's success was underpinned by always having a core of established proper top-tier players in their ranks. When they downed tools the manager just had to go. When they picked up tools, the manager had largely an armchair ride.

Terry, Lampard, Cech, Drogba, Hazard, Essien, Kante, Duff, Gallas, Desailly, Rudiger, Makelele, Fabregas. The list just keeps going on and on.

It's no coincidence that Chelsea's model has started to seize since they moved away from buying high performance players, and just buying anyone with a YouTube highlights reel.

Difference is at United when Rashford and co want to play they're good enough to get 3rd/4th in the league depending on how good or bad other teams are going but not good enough to win anything.

[johnnycool]

Utd failing to get their hands on Declan Rice was a big blow to their team, they just don't have that energy in their midfield, Klopps Liverpool are built on that premise, they're going to outwork you in there, City and Arsenal are similar.
Every team that plays Utd knows they've a soft centre and go for it. Buying fancy dan wingers at extortionate prices to please the fans and sell a few jerseys in Latin America or Asia is great but won't win squat nor fix the leaky roof evidently.



Drop Salah into that Utd team and he'd be every bit as shíte as Anthony. The fundamental structure and enablers for the skillful lads just isn't there.

[statto]

Utd failing to get their hands on Declan Rice was a big blow to their team, they just don't have that energy in their midfield, Klopps Liverpool are built on that premise, they're going to outwork you in there, City and Arsenal are similar.
Every team that plays Utd knows they've a soft centre and go for it. Buying fancy dan wingers at extortionate prices to please the fans and sell a few jerseys in Latin America or Asia is great but won't win squat nor fix the leaky roof evidently.



  course he would be and if Antony was at Liverpool he would be consistently getting 20 plus goals a season.  Antony gets plenty of the ball at United and consistently does nothing with it.  He got 4 goals and 2 assists last year when United appeared to be on the right track, pathetic return for a 86 million pound player. 

[RedHand88]

Utd failing to get their hands on Declan Rice was a big blow to their team, they just don't have that energy in their midfield, Klopps Liverpool are built on that premise, they're going to outwork you in there, City and Arsenal are similar.
Every team that plays Utd knows they've a soft centre and go for it. Buying fancy dan wingers at extortionate prices to please the fans and sell a few jerseys in Latin America or Asia is great but won't win squat nor fix the leaky roof evidently.



Drop Salah into that Utd team and he'd be every bit as shíte as Anthony. The fundamental structure and enablers for the skillful lads just isn't there.

What an absolutely outrageous statement.

Ps you should be more worried about your leaky defence than your leaky roof.

[Milltown Row2]

How good was Salah for Chelsea?

If a player like him isn't catered for in the game plan then they'd have zero impact.

Utd are a shambles, how can you have an upturn in fortunes last year then turn into complete and utter dung the next..

This is a collective shambles, and ETH can't shift the blame, nor the management of the club either, but the players are, for me, the main culprits.

And if they have 'downed tools' then the next manager should clear them out

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It's amazing it took Liverpool 30 years to win the  title again.  Liverpool had  some  duff managers and players in that time , but I don't think they were ever  in such dire shape as united have been  in recent years

This year will be 11 since United won  the league .  The way things are going ,  a 30 year gap might not seem so outrageous

Ten Hag had a free  hit last season. Now it's on him, and even though  there are still dead wood there, it looks  like  he's just not up to  it, to be honest.

How was it a free hit last season? Don't think it's a job that gets any honeymoon period.

For a lot of that 30 years Liverpool weren't a league title contender it was about a reasonable league finish and picking up the odd cup trophy along the way. Man United have become that the last decade.

Because  he would need time to "change the culture", shift the dead wood , bring in his own men.  Had he finished 7 or 8th,  he wouldn't  have  got much grief as he "needs time" etc etc.

Now he's had 3 transfer windows, and 18 months,  and things are clearly  going backwards.  Any blame aimed at the Glazers is shifting  to Ten Hag.  Definitel progress was needed from the start of summer , but it's  not happening. So it looks like he's just not up  to the task.

I'm not just saying this now, but I was never convinced by ETH.  Didn't seem like  he had the personality  or passion that's needed ,  especially when dealing with lazy  arse hoors who need  a kick up the hole.  Fergie kept players on their toes , because he ruled by fear and  dominance.  Perhaps that's what's  lacking.

Was always going to take a lot longer than one full season and a couple of transfer windows to change the culture and sure the last transfer window included a couple loan signings and bringing back a former player in his mid 30s? Doubtful Ten Hag would have got a 2nd season had United finished 7th or 8th last season. It's clear now United over achieved to finish 3rd last season and win a trophy, enough leeway to give him 3rd season is the main question now.

Big Ange has blown that theory clean out of the water and Eddie Howe before him!

[quit yo jibbajabba]

Utd failing to get their hands on Declan Rice was a big blow to their team, they just don't have that energy in their midfield, Klopps Liverpool are built on that premise, they're going to outwork you in there, City and Arsenal are similar.
Every team that plays Utd knows they've a soft centre and go for it. Buying fancy dan wingers at extortionate prices to please the fans and sell a few jerseys in Latin America or Asia is great but won't win squat nor fix the leaky roof evidently.



Drop Salah into that Utd team and he'd be every bit as shíte as Anthony. The fundamental structure and enablers for the skillful lads just isn't there.

What an absolutely outrageous statement.

Ps you should be more worried about your leaky defence than your leaky roof.

Think Jonnys an Everton fan no?
I agreed with most of his stuff....until his Salah point lolol

[imtommygunn]

Anthony is shite tbh. 86 million pounds for that is madness/

[Maroon Manc]

Jim Ratcliffe will invest £250m of his personal fortune and not Ineos if the deal goes through, first bit of real positive news in a while.

[Armagh18]

Utd failing to get their hands on Declan Rice was a big blow to their team, they just don't have that energy in their midfield, Klopps Liverpool are built on that premise, they're going to outwork you in there, City and Arsenal are similar.
Every team that plays Utd knows they've a soft centre and go for it. Buying fancy dan wingers at extortionate prices to please the fans and sell a few jerseys in Latin America or Asia is great but won't win squat nor fix the leaky roof evidently.



Drop Salah into that Utd team and he'd be every bit as shíte as Anthony. The fundamental structure and enablers for the skillful lads just isn't there.

What an absolutely outrageous statement.

Ps you should be more worried about your leaky defence than your leaky roof.

He wouldn't be as shite as Anthony but he'd be nowhere near as good as he is now. Anthony wouldn't be putting up crazy numbers at Liverpool but he'f be better than he is now

[Walter Cronc]

250 mill won't get ye much

[statto]

How good was Salah for Chelsea?

If a player like him isn't catered for in the game plan then they'd have zero impact.

Utd are a shambles, how can you have an upturn in fortunes last year then turn into complete and utter dung the next..

This is a collective shambles, and ETH can't shift the blame, nor the management of the club either, but the players are, for me, the main culprits.

And if they have 'downed tools' then the next manager should clear them out

He played 6 games for Chelsea, the same Chelsea who also got rid of De Bruyne at the same time.  Are you suggesting Antony hasn't been catered for and this is why he has been one of the worst value for money signings in EPL history?

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Casemiro out Hamstring and Lindelof rumoured a doubt with sickness. Joel and Avram might actually be playing this weekend.

[johnnycool]

Utd failing to get their hands on Declan Rice was a big blow to their team, they just don't have that energy in their midfield, Klopps Liverpool are built on that premise, they're going to outwork you in there, City and Arsenal are similar.
Every team that plays Utd knows they've a soft centre and go for it. Buying fancy dan wingers at extortionate prices to please the fans and sell a few jerseys in Latin America or Asia is great but won't win squat nor fix the leaky roof evidently.



Drop Salah into that Utd team and he'd be every bit as shíte as Anthony. The fundamental structure and enablers for the skillful lads just isn't there.

What an absolutely outrageous statement.

Ps you should be more worried about your leaky defence than your leaky roof.

Think Jonnys an Everton fan no?
I agreed with most of his stuff....until his Salah point lolol

My point being Salah, Nunez etc etc have a solid structure and a well defined system at Liverpool that fits their skillset, drop Salah into that United team and he'd do well to score 10 goals in a year

[AustinPowers]

Casemiro out Hamstring and Lindelof rumoured a doubt with sickness. Joel and Avram might actually be playing this weekend.

And just when you think things can't get  any worse, there are  rumours of De Gea returning , as   Onana  going to African Nations