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« Reply #47295 on: July 23, 2020, 03:50:55 PM »
There are ways and means of getting some rest of course but there is no avoiding that most teams can give their players 3/4 weeks off from Sunday and have them back for a prelude to next season around the same time other clubs may be only finishing this season. It can't be up for dispute it's a fact in these strange times?

On looking again you would expect Utd to make the semi stage at least given the draw? The semi is not til 16th August so at that stage Final is only 5 days away so you'd think they give it their all any roads... But there surely has to be a knock-on affect into next season given how jaded United already look?

We were bitching last week about Chelsea having two extra days rest before a cup semi how do you think a season might go with players performing basically straight through?

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« Reply #47296 on: July 23, 2020, 04:49:06 PM »
He's been really good since the restart but what Pogba did last night was an absolute outrage. I'm still seething about it to be honest. Yes United were poor again and yes West Ham had some moments but you just simply cannot hand goals to teams and expect to get away with it. And while DeGea's plentiful mistakes are infuriating, this was at a different level altogether.

I'd be nervous about the Leicester game though hopeful Wolves could help out (6th gets a Europa spot doesn't it?). Agree Fred needs more game time. Matic went through a phase last night of constantly fouling which was totally bizarre though he has been good recently. Thing is when he's not good he tends to be pretty bad....no middle ground with him. His height an asset defending set pieces probably in his favour too.

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« Reply #47297 on: July 23, 2020, 07:07:49 PM »
There are ways and means of getting some rest of course but there is no avoiding that most teams can give their players 3/4 weeks off from Sunday and have them back for a prelude to next season around the same time other clubs may be only finishing this season. It can't be up for dispute it's a fact in these strange times?

On looking again you would expect Utd to make the semi stage at least given the draw? The semi is not til 16th August so at that stage Final is only 5 days away so you'd think they give it their all any roads... But there surely has to be a knock-on affect into next season given how jaded United already look?

We were bitching last week about Chelsea having two extra days rest before a cup semi how do you think a season might go with players performing basically straight through?

Educated guess would say burnt out by Christmas. Its the 2nd season in a row where United have faded badly towards the end of it. A new conditioning coach might be no harm before the 2020/21 season starts.

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« Reply #47298 on: July 23, 2020, 11:22:56 PM »
Faded badly? They the form team since Feb, table toppers since Covid break I think (wonder if there's a trophy for that  :)). They out on their feet at this stage cause they basically played same 11 since the return.

I'm just wondering whether the peculiarities of this season are gonna affect United more than most next season...

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« Reply #47299 on: July 24, 2020, 01:42:58 AM »
Team performance levels in the last 3 or 4 games has faded badly to where they were. Has been bits of individualism from the like of Greenwood, Martial, Bruno to keep the unbeaten league run from February going.

Yes playing the same 11 since the restart has played a big part in that though Ole has to show more faith in his squad,  Its all hindsight now but he should have rested more players last Sunday.

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« Reply #47300 on: July 24, 2020, 10:13:39 AM »
I don't think Utd can beat Leicester on Sunday. Leicester will be more up for it and better rested.

Best Utd can hope for is Wolves do a Liverpool and destroy Chelsea in the first half to take a bit of pressure off.

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« Reply #47301 on: July 24, 2020, 11:09:10 AM »
Team performance levels in the last 3 or 4 games has faded badly to where they were. Has been bits of individualism from the like of Greenwood, Martial, Bruno to keep the unbeaten league run from February going.

Yes playing the same 11 since the restart has played a big part in that though Ole has to show more faith in his squad,  Its all hindsight now but he should have rested more players last Sunday.


Can't agree with this. With the possible exception of Fred and McTominay, none of the other non-starters would have performed any better. Mata, Lingard, Pereira, James......who would have improved things? United's first XI is good but the squad is woefully thin.

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« Reply #47302 on: July 24, 2020, 11:11:37 AM »
I don't think Utd can beat Leicester on Sunday. Leicester will be more up for it and better rested.

Best Utd can hope for is Wolves do a Liverpool and destroy Chelsea in the first half to take a bit of pressure off.


I think United can win or at least avoid defeat. They've tapered off in recent games but Leicester's form has been awful. It's likely to be an uncomfortable watch though.

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« Reply #47303 on: July 24, 2020, 11:40:10 AM »
I don't understand the notion that Leicester would be more up for the game?? Why??

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« Reply #47304 on: July 24, 2020, 12:02:06 PM »
Team performance levels in the last 3 or 4 games has faded badly to where they were. Has been bits of individualism from the like of Greenwood, Martial, Bruno to keep the unbeaten league run from February going.

Yes playing the same 11 since the restart has played a big part in that though Ole has to show more faith in his squad,  Its all hindsight now but he should have rested more players last Sunday.

Ole needs to start showing his ruthlessness. He needs to drop De Gea for a start. United have a more than capable keeper in Romero. And if heís sitting on the bench thinking, f**k me I canít even get a game with that dunghole playing like that, then what am I doing here?

The longer Ole sticks with De Gea, the stupider he will look.

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« Reply #47305 on: July 24, 2020, 12:07:33 PM »
Team performance levels in the last 3 or 4 games has faded badly to where they were. Has been bits of individualism from the like of Greenwood, Martial, Bruno to keep the unbeaten league run from February going.

Yes playing the same 11 since the restart has played a big part in that though Ole has to show more faith in his squad,  Its all hindsight now but he should have rested more players last Sunday.


Can't agree with this. With the possible exception of Fred and McTominay, none of the other non-starters would have performed any better. Mata, Lingard, Pereira, James......who would have improved things? United's first XI is good but the squad is woefully thin.

Why weren't they used especially when Matic needed to be taken off? Only subs used Wan Bissaka at half time and Ighalo in the 85th minute. Mata was kept on for another season surely games such as West ham at home was a ideal time to get some minutes.

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« Reply #47306 on: July 24, 2020, 12:13:31 PM »
West Ham at home when they are the better team and you want to rest fellas.....

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« Reply #47307 on: July 24, 2020, 01:21:45 PM »
It's about bringing fresh legs into the team and adding a bit more energy into the team for the final quarter.  It was clear a number of players needed to be subbed off and because of tiredness were making more errors.

Speaking of errors would West Ham have scored or drawn Wednesday but for that gift of a penalty? Individual errors and lapses in concentration has cost United loads of points this season.

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« Reply #47308 on: July 24, 2020, 03:14:14 PM »
Ur talking about rest in two different contexts, games like West Ham at home are games you would expect to be able to get away with a change or two. Likewise if you were 2 or 3 up with 20/25 mins to go you would pull a couple but at 1-1 and the game in the air not so much!!

Would they have scored I don't know really, but they were a threat the whole game particularly at set pieces and at no time of the game would you have said United were any more likely to score the next goal than West Ham

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« Reply #47309 on: July 24, 2020, 03:22:19 PM »
Game against Leicester is kinda like a winner takes all cup final (albeit United donít necessarily have to win!). I would say B Rodg will set Leicester up to attack the space behind Maguire with Vardys pace and they can be very dangerous if they get the momentum going. If United score first they win, simple as that. If Leicester score first, I question the mentality of some of the United players and reckon Leicester will score 2-3.