Leinster SFC 2023

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He has a point no matter about anything else the Dubs should not be playing in Croker as much as they do and they shouldn't be allowed to designate it as a home venue.

They need their own 20-25k capacity stadium to play their home games!

[mup]

I see Glenn Ryan's not happy.  Didn't see the match but does he have grounds for it? What happened?

Apart from the financial doping and playing most of their games in CP? After that I dont know.

Welcome Euan  Hope all well 😊

Very original. You think of that all by yourself?

The truth hurts.

[mup]

He has a point no matter about anything else the Dubs should not be playing in Croker as much as they do and they shouldn't be allowed to designate it as a home venue.

They need their own 20-25k capacity stadium to play their home games!

Exactly. God knows they've gotten plenty of bobs from the gaa/government. Leinster football is a cesspit.

[onefineday]

I see Glenn Ryan's not happy.  Didn't see the match but does he have grounds for it? What happened?

Apart from the financial doping and playing most of their games in CP? After that I dont know.

I'm as anti-dub as you'll get - completely in favour of breaking Dublin into 4 or 5 or 6... Genuinely.
But this stupid financial doping is a load of non-sensical shite, can we just drop it.
And Ryan has a point, seemed to be a clear trip in front of the posts that would have left a point in it and not forced them to try and work a goal with those last 2 attacks. That said, lilywhites have to be sick tonight. Game was left behind them, just some really bad decisions when more composure was needed in the last quarter. Don't think louth will get as close unfortunately and the dubs will get the 5,000 days since a defeat in Leinster...

[mup]

I see Glenn Ryan's not happy.  Didn't see the match but does he have grounds for it? What happened?

Apart from the financial doping and playing most of their games in CP? After that I dont know.

I'm as anti-dub as you'll get - completely in favour of breaking Dublin into 4 or 5 or 6... Genuinely.
But this stupid financial doping is a load of non-sensical shite, can we just drop it.
And Ryan has a point, seemed to be a clear trip in front of the posts that would have left a point in it and not forced them to try and work a goal with those last 2 attacks. That said, lilywhites have to be sick tonight. Game was left behind them, just some really bad decisions when more composure was needed in the last quarter. Don't think louth will get as close unfortunately and the dubs will get the 5,000 days since a defeat in Leinster...

The facts speak for themselves. Is it 17 out of 18 Leinsters? No coincidence that this started around Berties monies. Its there in black and white. Btw I blame the Gaa. They have destroyed Leinster football as a result. The likes of Meath and Kildare after regressing since then. What is the point of it all for them? Seemingly (I didnt see it) Kildare played as well as they could today and Dublin still won playing poorly.

Its dead in the water.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

He has a point no matter about anything else the Dubs should not be playing in Croker as much as they do and they shouldn't be allowed to designate it as a home venue.

They need their own 20-25k capacity stadium to play their home games!

Exactly. God knows they've gotten plenty of bobs from the gaa/government. Leinster football is a cesspit.

Who'll be paying for this 20-25 seater in the most expensive real-estate area in Ireland?  If it's government funded, will this make you happy they won't be in Croker, or will you use it as more grist for the "dubs get all the money since Bertie" mill?

[mup]

He has a point no matter about anything else the Dubs should not be playing in Croker as much as they do and they shouldn't be allowed to designate it as a home venue.

They need their own 20-25k capacity stadium to play their home games!

Exactly. God knows they've gotten plenty of bobs from the gaa/government. Leinster football is a cesspit.

Who'll be paying for this 20-25 seater in the most expensive real-estate area in Ireland?  If it's government funded, will this make you happy they won't be in Croker, or will you use it as more grist for the "dubs get all the money since Bertie" mill?

Fund it the same way as every other county. Unless ye want preferential treatment to build a stadium as well.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Through filling Croke Park and using the funds thus generated to fund games at grassroots level?

I'd be OK with that.  But it would surely mean less funds going to other counties from those gate receipts, at least in the short to medium term.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Real-life GAA stadia are built in large part through government funding and GAA HQ funds.

If Dublin were to build a mid-sized stadium, so as to not play their games in Croke Park, that would mean serious financial outlay from the GAA, and a serious dent in the funding that the government makes to the GAA. 

If it's 25-30 capacity, that would also mean lower receipts and less profitability for the GAA accruing from Dublin games.   

All of this would mean less funding for GAA clubs outside of Dublin.

But you probably know this already...

[RedHand88]

He has a point no matter about anything else the Dubs should not be playing in Croker as much as they do and they shouldn't be allowed to designate it as a home venue.

They need their own 20-25k capacity stadium to play their home games!

Exactly. God knows they've gotten plenty of bobs from the gaa/government. Leinster football is a cesspit.

Who'll be paying for this 20-25 seater in the most expensive real-estate area in Ireland?  If it's government funded, will this make you happy they won't be in Croker, or will you use it as more grist for the "dubs get all the money since Bertie" mill?

Same way as any of the other 31 counties fund their own stadium. Honestly the notion that Dublin could not fund a county stadium of their own is absolutely laughable.

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[Jell 0 Biafra]

So Tyrone's success over the past 20 years or so has been entirely funded by their membership? 

That's impressive.

[High Fielder]

People talk, mostly Dublin supporters, about Dublins lack.of success before their domination started. But we live in very different times. There is an almost professional approach to the Gaa in Dublin that even if it were replicated elsewhere (not possible for many reasons) the weight of numbers would nullify its effectiveness.

There is a pointlessness to Leinster in particular, notwithstanding Kildare"s good effort yesterday. Them and Meath are better positioned than most to rise at some point because they focus predominantly on football, have larger numbers and opportunities to fund themselves. The rest of us are waiting for the golden crop, and for the most part, wasting our time. It stopped being sport a long time ago. Laughable to see people defend it. But why would you care when you're winning. Just tell them shitty little counties to get better or get their house in order

[An Watcher]

Would it not be possible to develop parnell park further?  Have never been at that ground so no clue

[Hound]

Mad that the Croke Park debate has come up on a day when Kildare run us close!

It's like people ignore everything they see from all other GAA games where home advantage doesn't really exist, but when the Dubs play in Croker, suddenly it's back. And Dubs don't get to train in Croke Park like normal home venues.

There was a big study on US basketball a few years ago when it scientifically shown that home advantage only arose when there was a big difference in home fans v away fans. Covid proved this when across all sports previous 'home advantage' completely disappeared when games were played in empty stadia. Whereas clearly in, for example, English soccer there is some element of home advantage in results across the season as home fans make up 80% of the crowd.

And that's why for most GAA matches, venue is irrelevant as fans split tend to be reasonably close to 50-50. As is the case for All Ireland QFs, SFs and finals in Croker.

Dublin have never had any problem playing Leinster games outside Croker. It's a 12 county Leinster council decision, of which Dublin is only 1 of 12. It's the other Leinster counties that decide on Croker.

[Hound]

As for the match, the Dubs were very disappointing. Bit of a surprise that Cluxton started, but his goalkeeping was good and his kickouts were very good - he may well have been Dublin's best player.

Kildare had a good system and they gave it their all (which hasn't been the case every time we play them), but it wasn't really Dublin upping it that turned the game around, it was more Kildare falling off a bit. In particular, their decision making and execution in the last 10 mins really let Dublin off the hook. Coincided with Ryan completely losing his rag on the sideline. Great to have emotion, but you need composure too. A missed opportunity, and I think that's the real reason Ryan was so Kevin Keegan mad in the after match interview.