The DUP thread

[johnnycool]

I presume the "Should of" and "had went" posters didn't go to grammar schools?

What a p***k.

Anyway back to the tutors. We got our eldest tutored as the p6 teacher was useless. We'd been warned before how bad she was and after a month we realised she was worser 🙂 (That's another issue. Teachers that are known to be shite and nothing done with them 😡).

She preached about how she wasn't there to prepare them for the test and that she wasn't covering it. Yet every other school in the local area were working towards it or doing an after school class. Sometimes needs must. Not all teachers are equal.

It was EA policy not to teach pupils specifically for the entrance exams as this was a bone of contention down here as one principal made it clear he wouldn't be doing so.  Our local PS was more pragmatic and got a good few more pupils on the back of it.
As the years went by this was relaxed by the EA.

[trueblue1234]

I presume the "Should of" and "had went" posters didn't go to grammar schools?

What a p***k.

Anyway back to the tutors. We got our eldest tutored as the p6 teacher was useless. We'd been warned before how bad she was and after a month we realised she was worser 🙂 (That's another issue. Teachers that are known to be shite and nothing done with them 😡).

She preached about how she wasn't there to prepare them for the test and that she wasn't covering it. Yet every other school in the local area were working towards it or doing an after school class. Sometimes needs must. Not all teachers are equal.

It was EA policy not to teach pupils specifically for the entrance exams as this was a bone of contention down here as one principal made it clear he wouldn't be doing so.  Our local PS was more pragmatic and got a good few more pupils on the back of it.
As the years went by this was relaxed by the EA.

I know, but I think most schools certainly in our area either had the students doing couple of tests a week or doing an after school class. I'd say over 70% of the students doing the test got tutoring because of this.

[marty34]

Yeah that happened me at a grammar school. Nearly the whole class went to the same physics tutor at the same time (who also taught at the school - just not our class). Must have made a fortune!

Is it the fault of the teacher really?

[marty34]

I presume the "Should of" and "had went" posters didn't go to grammar schools?

What a p***k.

Anyway back to the tutors. We got our eldest tutored as the p6 teacher was useless. We'd been warned before how bad she was and after a month we realised she was worser 🙂 (That's another issue. Teachers that are known to be shite and nothing done with them 😡).

She preached about how she wasn't there to prepare them for the test and that she wasn't covering it. Yet every other school in the local area were working towards it or doing an after school class. Sometimes needs must. Not all teachers are equal.

Is that not the problem?

Teachers shouldn't be preparing kids for the transfer test. Is that their job?

Should they not just be teaching the curriculum?

School has moved on a lot since I was there. Just Maths and English plus Religion.  Then the odd bit of sport.

Nowadays they do so much extra. They get the best of everything with different days out, a heap of sports, out t the garden and people coming in to speak to them.  They're nearly out of the classroom more than it in.

Only thing is they never get sTen results for their PE, History or personality/social side even.

All about the results to the arents come aJune/July.

[Tony Baloney]

Every school has good teachers and bad teachers. The biggest problem is nothing gets done about the bad ones. Same across the public sector - with banding you can do f**k all every day and/or play the sickness game for 6 months and your pay packet will be the same as someone who is diligent in their work.

[Substandard]

A very interesting read, a lot of of stuff I wouldn't have known about,  or at best had a vague idea.  There's plenty of things that'd bug me about teaching here, but it does seem to be fairer or more equitable.

[trueblue1234]

I presume the "Should of" and "had went" posters didn't go to grammar schools?

What a p***k.

Anyway back to the tutors. We got our eldest tutored as the p6 teacher was useless. We'd been warned before how bad she was and after a month we realised she was worser 🙂 (That's another issue. Teachers that are known to be shite and nothing done with them 😡).

She preached about how she wasn't there to prepare them for the test and that she wasn't covering it. Yet every other school in the local area were working towards it or doing an after school class. Sometimes needs must. Not all teachers are equal.

Is that not the problem?

Teachers shouldn't be preparing kids for the transfer test. Is that their job?

Should they not just be teaching the curriculum?

School has moved on a lot since I was there. Just Maths and English plus Religion.  Then the odd bit of sport.

Nowadays they do so much extra. They get the best of everything with different days out, a heap of sports, out t the garden and people coming in to speak to them.  They're nearly out of the classroom more than it in.

Only thing is they never get sTen results for their PE, History or personality/social side even.

All about the results to the arents come aJune/July.

But that's not right. It should be a standard approach across the board. Having some schools working towards the test and some not, leaves children in the schools that don't at a handicap.  And in my view the test should mirror the curriculum. So maybe that's the issue. The results are important to parents. Of course they are. It can be a big factor depending on the schools they could be going to on that basis.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

I presume the "Should of" and "had went" posters didn't go to grammar schools?

What a p***k.

Anyway back to the tutors. We got our eldest tutored as the p6 teacher was useless. We'd been warned before how bad she was and after a month we realised she was worser 🙂 (That's another issue. Teachers that are known to be shite and nothing done with them 😡).

She preached about how she wasn't there to prepare them for the test and that she wasn't covering it. Yet every other school in the local area were working towards it or doing an after school class. Sometimes needs must. Not all teachers are equal.

Is that not the problem?

Teachers shouldn't be preparing kids for the transfer test. Is that their job?

Should they not just be teaching the curriculum?

School has moved on a lot since I was there. Just Maths and English plus Religion.  Then the odd bit of sport.

Nowadays they do so much extra. They get the best of everything with different days out, a heap of sports, out t the garden and people coming in to speak to them.  They're nearly out of the classroom more than it in.

Only thing is they never get sTen results for their PE, History or personality/social side even.

All about the results to the arents come aJune/July.

But that's not right. It should be a standard approach across the board. Having some schools working towards the test and some not, leaves children in the schools that don't at a handicap.  And in my view the test should mirror the curriculum. So maybe that's the issue. The results are important to parents. Of course they are. It can be a big factor depending on the schools they could be going to on that basis.

Just about sums it up.

[trueblue1234]

I presume the "Should of" and "had went" posters didn't go to grammar schools?

What a p***k.

Anyway back to the tutors. We got our eldest tutored as the p6 teacher was useless. We'd been warned before how bad she was and after a month we realised she was worser 🙂 (That's another issue. Teachers that are known to be shite and nothing done with them 😡).

She preached about how she wasn't there to prepare them for the test and that she wasn't covering it. Yet every other school in the local area were working towards it or doing an after school class. Sometimes needs must. Not all teachers are equal.

Is that not the problem?

Teachers shouldn't be preparing kids for the transfer test. Is that their job?

Should they not just be teaching the curriculum?

School has moved on a lot since I was there. Just Maths and English plus Religion.  Then the odd bit of sport.

Nowadays they do so much extra. They get the best of everything with different days out, a heap of sports, out t the garden and people coming in to speak to them.  They're nearly out of the classroom more than it in.

Only thing is they never get sTen results for their PE, History or personality/social side even.

All about the results to the arents come aJune/July.

But that's not right. It should be a standard approach across the board. Having some schools working towards the test and some not, leaves children in the schools that don't at a handicap.  And in my view the test should mirror the curriculum. So maybe that's the issue. The results are important to parents. Of course they are. It can be a big factor depending on the schools they could be going to on that basis.

Just about sums it up.

Yes sums are important.

[marty34]

I presume the "Should of" and "had went" posters didn't go to grammar schools?

What a p***k.

Anyway back to the tutors. We got our eldest tutored as the p6 teacher was useless. We'd been warned before how bad she was and after a month we realised she was worser 🙂 (That's another issue. Teachers that are known to be shite and nothing done with them 😡).

She preached about how she wasn't there to prepare them for the test and that she wasn't covering it. Yet every other school in the local area were working towards it or doing an after school class. Sometimes needs must. Not all teachers are equal.

Is that not the problem?

Teachers shouldn't be preparing kids for the transfer test. Is that their job?

Should they not just be teaching the curriculum?

School has moved on a lot since I was there. Just Maths and English plus Religion.  Then the odd bit of sport.

Nowadays they do so much extra. They get the best of everything with different days out, a heap of sports, out t the garden and people coming in to speak to them.  They're nearly out of the classroom more than it in.

Only thing is they never get sTen results for their PE, History or personality/social side even.

All about the results to the arents come aJune/July.

But that's not right. It should be a standard approach across the board. Having some schools working towards the test and some not, leaves children in the schools that don't at a handicap.  And in my view the test should mirror the curriculum. So maybe that's the issue. The results are important to parents. Of course they are. It can be a big factor depending on the schools they could be going to on that basis.

That's what I'm saying. Not standard.  Never mind the transfer tests, same as end of year exams in primary schools. Some teachers teaching it and giving key words to the pupils before hand while others don't.

What I'm saying re: results is they just get a couple of results in June. Maths and English. Nothing else apart from a tick in a box about everything else.

[trueblue1234]

I understand what you're saying. But I suppose Maths and English are key to give you the basis to start to learn the other subjects in more detail. The level of history, for example, in our primary school was very limited.
With primary school you're relying on one teacher. At least with secondary school, you'll have a mix of teachers.

[Delgany 2nds]

I presume the "Should of" and "had went" posters didn't go to grammar schools?

What a p***k.

Anyway back to the tutors. We got our eldest tutored as the p6 teacher was useless. We'd been warned before how bad she was and after a month we realised she was worser 🙂 (That's another issue. Teachers that are known to be shite and nothing done with them 😡).

She preached about how she wasn't there to prepare them for the test and that she wasn't covering it. Yet every other school in the local area were working towards it or doing an after school class. Sometimes needs must. Not all teachers are equal.

Is that not the problem?

Teachers shouldn't be preparing kids for the transfer test. Is that their job?

Should they not just be teaching the curriculum?

School has moved on a lot since I was there. Just Maths and English plus Religion.  Then the odd bit of sport.

Nowadays they do so much extra. They get the best of everything with different days out, a heap of sports, out t the garden and people coming in to speak to them.  They're nearly out of the classroom more than it in.

Only thing is they never get sTen results for their PE, History or personality/social side even.

All about the results to the arents come aJune/July.

But that's not right. It should be a standard approach across the board. Having some schools working towards the test and some not, leaves children in the schools that don't at a handicap.  And in my view the test should mirror the curriculum. So maybe that's the issue. The results are important to parents. Of course they are. It can be a big factor depending on the schools they could be going to on that basis.

That's what I'm saying. Not standard.  Never mind the transfer tests, same as end of year exams in primary schools. Some teachers teaching it and giving key words to the pupils before hand while others don't.

What I'm saying re: results is they just get a couple of results in June. Maths and English. Nothing else apart from a tick in a box about everything else.

The SEAG test is based on the Maths & English curriculum but it is pitched a bit above level 4 of the curriculum , where P7 children are expected be achieving in P7

[Milltown Row2]

How many parents would happily send their kids to their local secondary school?

Going comprehensive will bring the levels to England levels

[Tony Baloney]

How many parents would happily send their kids to their local secondary school?

Going comprehensive will bring the levels to England levels

In theory should be no difference in a properly streamed school. In my local grammar school that my 2 eldest attend/attended the standard of teaching in many (not all) subjects is notoriously poor and external tutors are making an absolute killing because of it. However, they get away with it for the reasons someone mentioned earlier i.e. they feel they don't have to do much as the kids should be able to do it themselves. The missus says there is a difference between teaching and just delivering information.

Many of the teachers are missing from class during the week even at GCSE and A Level as they are out with sports teams. They also take morning gym and take teams on a Saturday so I wonder myself could I be arsed setting a load of homework when I'm running from pillar to post all week.

The lack of consistency for essentially the same goal is baffling.

[ONeill]

We need more sparks. And plasterers. Well, I can do the plastering but I won't touch the electrics.