Apathy towards Hurling in the North/Ulster

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Hurling in mayo is cyclical , an effort is made to increasing the number of Club at Adult level and it usually works for a while until the 'Traditional clubs' start to hammer the new ones who tend to die off quickly and your left with the same 3 or 4 ,#Its going well at the minute with  8 adult clubs
the  most i ever remember all built from a long underage process so maybe there's hope!

Love Mayo hurling, good lads

[Itchy]

Christ the night!! Just read that back Itchy FFS..

"We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club"

Are you a GAA club or a football only club?  Why don't you do yourself and kids a favour and look for a football only club

Let the kids decide what they want to do, I'd much prefer them hurling to playing rugby and soccer

I am sorry if it offends you but our club has < 150 members. Soccer and rugby are long established in the area, hurling is new here and the people driving it (100% throughbred Gaels in their own minds) are putting the club under impossible pressure. The are splitting the GAA clubs members to level that neither football or hurling will work but they dont care, theyd rather no club than no hurling. My opinion is the same, small county - focus on one.

Someone mentioned Clare, is it not true that Clare has a total East/West in hurling/football? As in not so many dual clubs rather areas that specialise in one or the other.

[Itchy]

Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards  peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...

Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard

Football clubs should be promoting hurling.

Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus.  Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.

It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.

What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).

Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.

Don't see it as a threat.

Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.

The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc..  All doing doubles this past few years.

Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.

Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.

Re: The Lory Meagher competition.  It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc.  A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire.  At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.

Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.

I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.

Hurling Nazis

You need to cop yourself on lad

Although your not alone in your hatred of hurling on here

You may not believe me but I dont hate Hurling, I just think small clubs have to cut their cloth to measure.

[bigarsedkeeper]

Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards  peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...

Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard

Football clubs should be promoting hurling.

Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus.  Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.

It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.

What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).

Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.

Don't see it as a threat.

Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.

The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc..  All doing doubles this past few years.

Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.

Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.

Re: The Lory Meagher competition.  It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc.  A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire.  At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.

Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.

I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.

At least you are honest Itchy, but go have a word with Slaughtneil who've dominated the club scene in hurling and football and indeed camogie the last while. Being a proper dual club hasn't impacted on them one bit and is probably a big pull to potential members within that area.

It's doable if you want to do it, but maybe its too easy to blame the other code when there's more fundamental issues at play.

The thing is Johnny there's more people with Itchy's view in Down that would let on. 'Leave that hurley to them boys down in Munster' would be common enough round us. Hurling is always fighting a losing battle it feels in football counties, just getting a game played seems like a big favour to you from the football lads. I really don't have a solution. Do Derry play hurling one week and football the next up 13s? I was told Dublin do that but that might be lies. The likes of Burren would never agree a football match every other week.

My lads play both codes and soccer during the winter. They've managed it this year but one will have to give at some point I'm sure. To be fair it is easier to work round the soccer because it's at a different time of the year mostly. I had one weekend where they had 3 games to play and it was the last weekend for the soccer matches.

[general_lee]

Jesus itchy, by the sounds of things the young ones in your club quite like the hurling!

[Itchy]

Jesus itchy, by the sounds of things the young ones in your club quite like the hurling!

Some of them do, I would say maybe 20-30% of them play hurling. It could work if say we have enough children to field a hurling team and a football team with only a few doing both but we barely have enough for a football team at each grade.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards  peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...

Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard

Football clubs should be promoting hurling.

Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus.  Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.

It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.

What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).

Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.

Don't see it as a threat.

Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.

The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc..  All doing doubles this past few years.

Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.

Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.

Re: The Lory Meagher competition.  It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc.  A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire.  At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.

Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.

I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.

At least you are honest Itchy, but go have a word with Slaughtneil who've dominated the club scene in hurling and football and indeed camogie the last while. Being a proper dual club hasn't impacted on them one bit and is probably a big pull to potential members within that area.

It's doable if you want to do it, but maybe its too easy to blame the other code when there's more fundamental issues at play.

The thing is Johnny there's more people with Itchy's view in Down that would let on. 'Leave that hurley to them boys down in Munster' would be common enough round us. Hurling is always fighting a losing battle it feels in football counties, just getting a game played seems like a big favour to you from the football lads. I really don't have a solution. Do Derry play hurling one week and football the next up 13s? I was told Dublin do that but that might be lies. The likes of Burren would never agree a football match every other week.

My lads play both codes and soccer during the winter. They've managed it this year but one will have to give at some point I'm sure. To be fair it is easier to work round the soccer because it's at a different time of the year mostly. I had one weekend where they had 3 games to play and it was the last weekend for the soccer matches.

Derry alternate fixtures

[mup]

Christ the night!! Just read that back Itchy FFS..

"We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club"

Are you a GAA club or a football only club?  Why don't you do yourself and kids a favour and look for a football only club

Let the kids decide what they want to do, I'd much prefer them hurling to playing rugby and soccer

Your last paragraph is a contradiction. It doesnt really matter which you prefer.

[general_lee]

Jesus itchy, by the sounds of things the young ones in your club quite like the hurling!

Some of them do, I would say maybe 20-30% of them play hurling. It could work if say we have enough children to field a hurling team and a football team with only a few doing both but we barely have enough for a football team at each grade.

I don't know your club or county, but with young fellas that age I'd give my right arm for our only worry to be hurling

[Armagh18]

Jesus itchy, by the sounds of things the young ones in your club quite like the hurling!

Some of them do, I would say maybe 20-30% of them play hurling. It could work if say we have enough children to field a hurling team and a football team with only a few doing both but we barely have enough for a football team at each grade.

Sounds like the best thing that could happen there is some sort of amalgamation for the hurling between a few clubs, or even a separate hurling club being fed by a few different football clubs.

Craobh Rua in Armagh is a hurling only club and has been going really well as far as I know. Would have lads from 5 or 6 football clubs playing for them and of course others that don't play football at all 

[Milltown Row2]

We in Antrim can generally play both sports, has it hampered teams that have a chance of winning senior in either code? Yeah I think/know it has, the Johnnies for sure recently and defo Rossa a couple of years ago when the championship was condensed and they had injuries from both.

We managed to compete at both and had appearances in hurling and football finals one year at senior, winning the football, we also appeared at Croke park representing club in both finals one senior the other intermediate.. again it can be done and there are better examples than us, but I totally understand that if a club puts all its eggs in one basket then it is giving all its time to that sport.

I would have loved to had all my players under the one code when I managed but that's the way we have went as a club. If I wanted it any different then I would have went to a single code club.

Our fixture list is difficult to keep everyone happy, and while we are a better hurling county, the footballers believe football is top dog in the county, which I find strange, though that's for another day

Again I said I'd rather they play both gaa codes over soccer and rugby, one could be competitive, the other sociable

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Jesus itchy, by the sounds of things the young ones in your club quite like the hurling!

Some of them do, I would say maybe 20-30% of them play hurling. It could work if say we have enough children to field a hurling team and a football team with only a few doing both but we barely have enough for a football team at each grade.

Sounds like the best thing that could happen there is some sort of amalgamation for the hurling between a few clubs, or even a separate hurling club being fed by a few different football clubs.

Craobh Rua in Armagh is a hurling only club and has been going really well as far as I know. Would have lads from 5 or 6 football clubs playing for them and of course others that don't play football at all

We are the same.

Steelstown, Pearses, Dolans, Colmcilles, Faughanvale Ardmore, Slaughtmanus all playing with us underage.

[johnnycool]

Christ the night!! Just read that back Itchy FFS..

"We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club"

Are you a GAA club or a football only club?  Why don't you do yourself and kids a favour and look for a football only club

Let the kids decide what they want to do, I'd much prefer them hurling to playing rugby and soccer

I am sorry if it offends you but our club has < 150 members. Soccer and rugby are long established in the area, hurling is new here and the people driving it (100% throughbred Gaels in their own minds) are putting the club under impossible pressure. The are splitting the GAA clubs members to level that neither football or hurling will work but they dont care, theyd rather no club than no hurling. My opinion is the same, small county - focus on one.

Someone mentioned Clare, is it not true that Clare has a total East/West in hurling/football? As in not so many dual clubs rather areas that specialise in one or the other.

What like Ballyea, Cratloe and many more?

Clare have plenty of dual clubs contributing to their senior intercounty teams in both codes.

[imtommygunn]

The bit that doesn't fully add up for me is the being unable to train twice a week in the football due to hurling.

[bigarsedkeeper]

Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards  peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...

Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard

Football clubs should be promoting hurling.

Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus.  Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.

It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.

What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).

Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.

Don't see it as a threat.

Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.

The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc..  All doing doubles this past few years.

Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.

Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.

Re: The Lory Meagher competition.  It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc.  A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire.  At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.

Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.

I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.

At least you are honest Itchy, but go have a word with Slaughtneil who've dominated the club scene in hurling and football and indeed camogie the last while. Being a proper dual club hasn't impacted on them one bit and is probably a big pull to potential members within that area.

It's doable if you want to do it, but maybe its too easy to blame the other code when there's more fundamental issues at play.

The thing is Johnny there's more people with Itchy's view in Down that would let on. 'Leave that hurley to them boys down in Munster' would be common enough round us. Hurling is always fighting a losing battle it feels in football counties, just getting a game played seems like a big favour to you from the football lads. I really don't have a solution. Do Derry play hurling one week and football the next up 13s? I was told Dublin do that but that might be lies. The likes of Burren would never agree a football match every other week.

My lads play both codes and soccer during the winter. They've managed it this year but one will have to give at some point I'm sure. To be fair it is easier to work round the soccer because it's at a different time of the year mostly. I had one weekend where they had 3 games to play and it was the last weekend for the soccer matches.

Derry alternate fixtures

Up to what age group Fear?