Offally U14 Shenanigans

[Baile Brigín 2]

It's all the dinosaurs in the Gah who do this

2 u13's told if they were joining a Dublin school boy club to give up all other sport as a condition of them joining

Currently 5 u15's in Offaly barred by Athlone Town from playing GAA

GAA as per usual held to a different standard than the rugby and soccer

Unsourced whataboutery

Except it's not,in the instance of the 2 u13's I can name both the players the soccer club and the manager as the manager was my brother in law

If my claim about the 5 u15s in Clara is wrong

prove me wrong

I presume this is referring to the same?
https://twitter.com/pauldeeh19/status/1512177760088829957

I'm not sure what more evidence is needed as I'd also know those involved and it stacks up.

I'd expect BB2 is in denial of anything that might run counter his perma-victim mindset when it comes to Irish domestic soccer.

Again. A bloke on Twitter.

I'm not in denial. I'm asking for people to back up their claims. But it's whataboutery. We are on a GAA forum discussing an incident in the GAA.

Not just any bloke

Paul Deehan is the manager of that particular Clara team and he has said on Twitter that it's 100% that 5 of his u15 team are being prevented from playing Gaelic Football by Athlone Town Fc

The question for you now is quite simple

Do you want to climb out of the hole  you've dug for yourself

Or

Do you want to stay digging and look an even bigger fool than you already are?

If that is true he needs to kick up a fuss. The FAI will not back that position.

But just because other codes may or may not be doing something does not deflect from the topic in hand and the contradictory statements from the Offaly CB.

Sligo Rovers at it as well

asking players to sign contracts at u15 and instructing them to play no other sport

That's acadamy stuff though. They are entering into a professional environment and that's the age you need to specalise. You are monitoring diet and fitness at that level.

As someone who has a kid involved in development squads at soccer and gaa I've never heard tell of gaa telling anyone to not play with their local gaa club, local soccer club or local any Club. Next year if my son continues he will be heading to u15 with his local league of Ireland club and will be asked to leave his local soccer club and stop playing sport of any sort with his friends. The answer from us will be to f**k off.

This is a soccer problem primarily and while this Offaly thing is pathetic by them, it's certainly a minority approach at that age in gaa.

What is fascinating is that soccer has been at this for years and yet 1st sign of gaa doing it and you have national media all over it - what does that tell you.

So you want your kid in promoted into a professional acadamy strcture with all that goes with, but also to play with his friends. Respectfully, you need to piss or get off the pot.

Respectfully, you are a gobshite that doesnt know what hes talking about. Professional? - have you been around many LOI clubs?

While I generally accept the point about specialising too early, the rules of a LoI acadamy are as clear as day. You are entering a professional environment with a contract and as such other sports can be deemed offside. Some clubs are acadamies in name, some are FAS courses, some are full time setups where the kids go to school there. Similar for the provincial rugby setups.

That was not the environment the kids in Offaly entered. Also Offaly GAA did not follow their own rules.

We're not chatting about the legal rights regards contracts. We're chatting about the rights and wrongs of any sport restricting the exposure to other sports at that age. Both are 💯 wrong. No ifs or buts. Trying to justify it cause they have signed up to a contract is nonsense in my eyes. And stupid considering cross sport exposure will only enhance a kid's development.

My point is if you are in a pro soccer academy and miss training to play another sport you risk the boot. That's Belgium, Botswana or Bohs. Parents are fully aware of this

It is not the case in u14's GAA. Parents were unaware of this.

So yes, it's wrong. But you are fully aware of the expectations

[Baile Brigín 2]

It's all the dinosaurs in the Gah who do this

2 u13's told if they were joining a Dublin school boy club to give up all other sport as a condition of them joining

Currently 5 u15's in Offaly barred by Athlone Town from playing GAA

GAA as per usual held to a different standard than the rugby and soccer

Unsourced whataboutery

Except it's not,in the instance of the 2 u13's I can name both the players the soccer club and the manager as the manager was my brother in law

If my claim about the 5 u15s in Clara is wrong

prove me wrong

I presume this is referring to the same?
https://twitter.com/pauldeeh19/status/1512177760088829957

I'm not sure what more evidence is needed as I'd also know those involved and it stacks up.

I'd expect BB2 is in denial of anything that might run counter his perma-victim mindset when it comes to Irish domestic soccer.

Again. A bloke on Twitter.

I'm not in denial. I'm asking for people to back up their claims. But it's whataboutery. We are on a GAA forum discussing an incident in the GAA.

Not just any bloke

Paul Deehan is the manager of that particular Clara team and he has said on Twitter that it's 100% that 5 of his u15 team are being prevented from playing Gaelic Football by Athlone Town Fc

The question for you now is quite simple

Do you want to climb out of the hole  you've dug for yourself

Or

Do you want to stay digging and look an even bigger fool than you already are?

If that is true he needs to kick up a fuss. The FAI will not back that position.

But just because other codes may or may not be doing something does not deflect from the topic in hand and the contradictory statements from the Offaly CB.

Sligo Rovers at it as well

asking players to sign contracts at u15 and instructing them to play no other sport

That's acadamy stuff though. They are entering into a professional environment and that's the age you need to specalise. You are monitoring diet and fitness at that level.

As someone who has a kid involved in development squads at soccer and gaa I've never heard tell of gaa telling anyone to not play with their local gaa club, local soccer club or local any Club. Next year if my son continues he will be heading to u15 with his local league of Ireland club and will be asked to leave his local soccer club and stop playing sport of any sort with his friends. The answer from us will be to f**k off.

This is a soccer problem primarily and while this Offaly thing is pathetic by them, it's certainly a minority approach at that age in gaa.

What is fascinating is that soccer has been at this for years and yet 1st sign of gaa doing it and you have national media all over it - what does that tell you.

So you want your kid in promoted into a professional acadamy strcture with all that goes with, but also to play with his friends. Respectfully, you need to piss or get off the pot.

Respectfully, you are a gobshite that doesnt know what hes talking about. Professional? - have you been around many LOI clubs?

While I generally accept the point about specialising too early, the rules of a LoI acadamy are as clear as day. You are entering a professional environment with a contract and as such other sports can be deemed offside. Some clubs are acadamies in name, some are FAS courses, some are full time setups where the kids go to school there. Similar for the provincial rugby setups.

That was not the environment the kids in Offaly entered. Also Offaly GAA did not follow their own rules.

So Sligo Rovers are contracting u15's into a "professional environment"?

It's the acadamy of a full time professional club...

This is a whataboutery tangent. They are the rules of professional sport. They aren't the rules of u14's GAA.

Right or wrong isn't really relevant. It is what it is and you sign up for that

[trueblue1234]

It's all the dinosaurs in the Gah who do this

2 u13's told if they were joining a Dublin school boy club to give up all other sport as a condition of them joining

Currently 5 u15's in Offaly barred by Athlone Town from playing GAA

GAA as per usual held to a different standard than the rugby and soccer

Unsourced whataboutery

Except it's not,in the instance of the 2 u13's I can name both the players the soccer club and the manager as the manager was my brother in law

If my claim about the 5 u15s in Clara is wrong

prove me wrong

I presume this is referring to the same?
https://twitter.com/pauldeeh19/status/1512177760088829957

I'm not sure what more evidence is needed as I'd also know those involved and it stacks up.

I'd expect BB2 is in denial of anything that might run counter his perma-victim mindset when it comes to Irish domestic soccer.

Again. A bloke on Twitter.

I'm not in denial. I'm asking for people to back up their claims. But it's whataboutery. We are on a GAA forum discussing an incident in the GAA.

Not just any bloke

Paul Deehan is the manager of that particular Clara team and he has said on Twitter that it's 100% that 5 of his u15 team are being prevented from playing Gaelic Football by Athlone Town Fc

The question for you now is quite simple

Do you want to climb out of the hole  you've dug for yourself

Or

Do you want to stay digging and look an even bigger fool than you already are?

If that is true he needs to kick up a fuss. The FAI will not back that position.

But just because other codes may or may not be doing something does not deflect from the topic in hand and the contradictory statements from the Offaly CB.

Sligo Rovers at it as well

asking players to sign contracts at u15 and instructing them to play no other sport

That's acadamy stuff though. They are entering into a professional environment and that's the age you need to specalise. You are monitoring diet and fitness at that level.

As someone who has a kid involved in development squads at soccer and gaa I've never heard tell of gaa telling anyone to not play with their local gaa club, local soccer club or local any Club. Next year if my son continues he will be heading to u15 with his local league of Ireland club and will be asked to leave his local soccer club and stop playing sport of any sort with his friends. The answer from us will be to f**k off.

This is a soccer problem primarily and while this Offaly thing is pathetic by them, it's certainly a minority approach at that age in gaa.

What is fascinating is that soccer has been at this for years and yet 1st sign of gaa doing it and you have national media all over it - what does that tell you.

So you want your kid in promoted into a professional acadamy strcture with all that goes with, but also to play with his friends. Respectfully, you need to piss or get off the pot.

Respectfully, you are a gobshite that doesnt know what hes talking about. Professional? - have you been around many LOI clubs?

While I generally accept the point about specialising too early, the rules of a LoI acadamy are as clear as day. You are entering a professional environment with a contract and as such other sports can be deemed offside. Some clubs are acadamies in name, some are FAS courses, some are full time setups where the kids go to school there. Similar for the provincial rugby setups.

That was not the environment the kids in Offaly entered. Also Offaly GAA did not follow their own rules.

We're not chatting about the legal rights regards contracts. We're chatting about the rights and wrongs of any sport restricting the exposure to other sports at that age. Both are 💯 wrong. No ifs or buts. Trying to justify it cause they have signed up to a contract is nonsense in my eyes. And stupid considering cross sport exposure will only enhance a kid's development.

My point is if you are in a pro soccer academy and miss training to play another sport you risk the boot. That's Belgium, Botswana or Bohs. Parents are fully aware of this

It is not the case in u14's GAA. Parents were unaware of this.

So yes, it's wrong. But you are fully aware of the expectations

Being aware of it hardly matters. Both codes in these instances are trying to restrict a child playing different sports. That's the reason it's a disgrace. Knowing about it beforehand doesn't stop it being a disgrace nor does it give soccer a by-ball.

[rosnarun]

in offaly there is a clique that fells like the GAA at county level  have been the whipping boys for too long and Offlay have suffered as a result .
this is notthe 1st instance of this in offaly . one guy (injured) was dropped from the u20 panel for going to a schools Hurling game to act as a waterboy . the managers alma Mater/
Same manager won Offalys 1st allIreland in years so he has a strong hand at the moment to be as ruthless as he likes

[Baile Brigín 2]

It's all the dinosaurs in the Gah who do this

2 u13's told if they were joining a Dublin school boy club to give up all other sport as a condition of them joining

Currently 5 u15's in Offaly barred by Athlone Town from playing GAA

GAA as per usual held to a different standard than the rugby and soccer

Unsourced whataboutery

Except it's not,in the instance of the 2 u13's I can name both the players the soccer club and the manager as the manager was my brother in law

If my claim about the 5 u15s in Clara is wrong

prove me wrong

I presume this is referring to the same?
https://twitter.com/pauldeeh19/status/1512177760088829957

I'm not sure what more evidence is needed as I'd also know those involved and it stacks up.

I'd expect BB2 is in denial of anything that might run counter his perma-victim mindset when it comes to Irish domestic soccer.

Again. A bloke on Twitter.

I'm not in denial. I'm asking for people to back up their claims. But it's whataboutery. We are on a GAA forum discussing an incident in the GAA.

Not just any bloke

Paul Deehan is the manager of that particular Clara team and he has said on Twitter that it's 100% that 5 of his u15 team are being prevented from playing Gaelic Football by Athlone Town Fc

The question for you now is quite simple

Do you want to climb out of the hole  you've dug for yourself

Or

Do you want to stay digging and look an even bigger fool than you already are?

If that is true he needs to kick up a fuss. The FAI will not back that position.

But just because other codes may or may not be doing something does not deflect from the topic in hand and the contradictory statements from the Offaly CB.

Sligo Rovers at it as well

asking players to sign contracts at u15 and instructing them to play no other sport

That's acadamy stuff though. They are entering into a professional environment and that's the age you need to specalise. You are monitoring diet and fitness at that level.

As someone who has a kid involved in development squads at soccer and gaa I've never heard tell of gaa telling anyone to not play with their local gaa club, local soccer club or local any Club. Next year if my son continues he will be heading to u15 with his local league of Ireland club and will be asked to leave his local soccer club and stop playing sport of any sort with his friends. The answer from us will be to f**k off.

This is a soccer problem primarily and while this Offaly thing is pathetic by them, it's certainly a minority approach at that age in gaa.

What is fascinating is that soccer has been at this for years and yet 1st sign of gaa doing it and you have national media all over it - what does that tell you.

So you want your kid in promoted into a professional acadamy strcture with all that goes with, but also to play with his friends. Respectfully, you need to piss or get off the pot.

Respectfully, you are a gobshite that doesnt know what hes talking about. Professional? - have you been around many LOI clubs?

While I generally accept the point about specialising too early, the rules of a LoI acadamy are as clear as day. You are entering a professional environment with a contract and as such other sports can be deemed offside. Some clubs are acadamies in name, some are FAS courses, some are full time setups where the kids go to school there. Similar for the provincial rugby setups.

That was not the environment the kids in Offaly entered. Also Offaly GAA did not follow their own rules.

We're not chatting about the legal rights regards contracts. We're chatting about the rights and wrongs of any sport restricting the exposure to other sports at that age. Both are 💯 wrong. No ifs or buts. Trying to justify it cause they have signed up to a contract is nonsense in my eyes. And stupid considering cross sport exposure will only enhance a kid's development.

My point is if you are in a pro soccer academy and miss training to play another sport you risk the boot. That's Belgium, Botswana or Bohs. Parents are fully aware of this

It is not the case in u14's GAA. Parents were unaware of this.

So yes, it's wrong. But you are fully aware of the expectations

Being aware of it hardly matters. Both codes in these instances are trying to restrict a child playing different sports. That's the reason it's a disgrace. Knowing about it beforehand doesn't stop it being a disgrace nor does it give soccer a by-ball.

My final word on this.

I am commenting on the whataboutery.

An incident in the GAA is met with soccer and rugby do it too.

Correct. Professional soccer and rugby do it. Everywhere. You put your kid in an acadamy they are restricted in what other sports they can play. You know this going in. Clearly that was not the case in Offaly.

So the discussion should be is an u14 county panel the same as an u15 professional setup, and if so be up front about it.

[clonadmad]

It's all the dinosaurs in the Gah who do this

2 u13's told if they were joining a Dublin school boy club to give up all other sport as a condition of them joining

Currently 5 u15's in Offaly barred by Athlone Town from playing GAA

GAA as per usual held to a different standard than the rugby and soccer

Unsourced whataboutery

Except it's not,in the instance of the 2 u13's I can name both the players the soccer club and the manager as the manager was my brother in law

If my claim about the 5 u15s in Clara is wrong

prove me wrong

I presume this is referring to the same?
https://twitter.com/pauldeeh19/status/1512177760088829957

I'm not sure what more evidence is needed as I'd also know those involved and it stacks up.

I'd expect BB2 is in denial of anything that might run counter his perma-victim mindset when it comes to Irish domestic soccer.

Again. A bloke on Twitter.

I'm not in denial. I'm asking for people to back up their claims. But it's whataboutery. We are on a GAA forum discussing an incident in the GAA.

Not just any bloke

Paul Deehan is the manager of that particular Clara team and he has said on Twitter that it's 100% that 5 of his u15 team are being prevented from playing Gaelic Football by Athlone Town Fc

The question for you now is quite simple

Do you want to climb out of the hole  you've dug for yourself

Or

Do you want to stay digging and look an even bigger fool than you already are?

If that is true he needs to kick up a fuss. The FAI will not back that position.

But just because other codes may or may not be doing something does not deflect from the topic in hand and the contradictory statements from the Offaly CB.

Sligo Rovers at it as well

asking players to sign contracts at u15 and instructing them to play no other sport

That's acadamy stuff though. They are entering into a professional environment and that's the age you need to specalise. You are monitoring diet and fitness at that level.

As someone who has a kid involved in development squads at soccer and gaa I've never heard tell of gaa telling anyone to not play with their local gaa club, local soccer club or local any Club. Next year if my son continues he will be heading to u15 with his local league of Ireland club and will be asked to leave his local soccer club and stop playing sport of any sort with his friends. The answer from us will be to f**k off.

This is a soccer problem primarily and while this Offaly thing is pathetic by them, it's certainly a minority approach at that age in gaa.

What is fascinating is that soccer has been at this for years and yet 1st sign of gaa doing it and you have national media all over it - what does that tell you.

So you want your kid in promoted into a professional acadamy strcture with all that goes with, but also to play with his friends. Respectfully, you need to piss or get off the pot.

Respectfully, you are a gobshite that doesnt know what hes talking about. Professional? - have you been around many LOI clubs?

While I generally accept the point about specialising too early, the rules of a LoI acadamy are as clear as day. You are entering a professional environment with a contract and as such other sports can be deemed offside. Some clubs are acadamies in name, some are FAS courses, some are full time setups where the kids go to school there. Similar for the provincial rugby setups.

That was not the environment the kids in Offaly entered. Also Offaly GAA did not follow their own rules.

We're not chatting about the legal rights regards contracts. We're chatting about the rights and wrongs of any sport restricting the exposure to other sports at that age. Both are 💯 wrong. No ifs or buts. Trying to justify it cause they have signed up to a contract is nonsense in my eyes. And stupid considering cross sport exposure will only enhance a kid's development.

My point is if you are in a pro soccer academy and miss training to play another sport you risk the boot. That's Belgium, Botswana or Bohs. Parents are fully aware of this

It is not the case in u14's GAA. Parents were unaware of this.

So yes, it's wrong. But you are fully aware of the expectations

Being aware of it hardly matters. Both codes in these instances are trying to restrict a child playing different sports. That's the reason it's a disgrace. Knowing about it beforehand doesn't stop it being a disgrace nor does it give soccer a by-ball.

My final word on this.

I am commenting on the whataboutery.

An incident in the GAA is met with soccer and rugby do it too.

Correct. Professional soccer and rugby do it. Everywhere. You put your kid in an acadamy they are restricted in what other sports they can play. You know this going in. Clearly that was not the case in Offaly.

So the discussion should be is an u14 county panel the same as an u15 professional setup, and if so be up front about it.

"an u15 professional set up"

clearly none so blind as those that dont want to see

[Baile Brigín 2]

It's all the dinosaurs in the Gah who do this

2 u13's told if they were joining a Dublin school boy club to give up all other sport as a condition of them joining

Currently 5 u15's in Offaly barred by Athlone Town from playing GAA

GAA as per usual held to a different standard than the rugby and soccer

Unsourced whataboutery

Except it's not,in the instance of the 2 u13's I can name both the players the soccer club and the manager as the manager was my brother in law

If my claim about the 5 u15s in Clara is wrong

prove me wrong

I presume this is referring to the same?
https://twitter.com/pauldeeh19/status/1512177760088829957

I'm not sure what more evidence is needed as I'd also know those involved and it stacks up.

I'd expect BB2 is in denial of anything that might run counter his perma-victim mindset when it comes to Irish domestic soccer.

Again. A bloke on Twitter.

I'm not in denial. I'm asking for people to back up their claims. But it's whataboutery. We are on a GAA forum discussing an incident in the GAA.

Not just any bloke

Paul Deehan is the manager of that particular Clara team and he has said on Twitter that it's 100% that 5 of his u15 team are being prevented from playing Gaelic Football by Athlone Town Fc

The question for you now is quite simple

Do you want to climb out of the hole  you've dug for yourself

Or

Do you want to stay digging and look an even bigger fool than you already are?

If that is true he needs to kick up a fuss. The FAI will not back that position.

But just because other codes may or may not be doing something does not deflect from the topic in hand and the contradictory statements from the Offaly CB.

Sligo Rovers at it as well

asking players to sign contracts at u15 and instructing them to play no other sport

That's acadamy stuff though. They are entering into a professional environment and that's the age you need to specalise. You are monitoring diet and fitness at that level.

As someone who has a kid involved in development squads at soccer and gaa I've never heard tell of gaa telling anyone to not play with their local gaa club, local soccer club or local any Club. Next year if my son continues he will be heading to u15 with his local league of Ireland club and will be asked to leave his local soccer club and stop playing sport of any sort with his friends. The answer from us will be to f**k off.

This is a soccer problem primarily and while this Offaly thing is pathetic by them, it's certainly a minority approach at that age in gaa.

What is fascinating is that soccer has been at this for years and yet 1st sign of gaa doing it and you have national media all over it - what does that tell you.

So you want your kid in promoted into a professional acadamy strcture with all that goes with, but also to play with his friends. Respectfully, you need to piss or get off the pot.

Respectfully, you are a gobshite that doesnt know what hes talking about. Professional? - have you been around many LOI clubs?

While I generally accept the point about specialising too early, the rules of a LoI acadamy are as clear as day. You are entering a professional environment with a contract and as such other sports can be deemed offside. Some clubs are acadamies in name, some are FAS courses, some are full time setups where the kids go to school there. Similar for the provincial rugby setups.

That was not the environment the kids in Offaly entered. Also Offaly GAA did not follow their own rules.

We're not chatting about the legal rights regards contracts. We're chatting about the rights and wrongs of any sport restricting the exposure to other sports at that age. Both are 💯 wrong. No ifs or buts. Trying to justify it cause they have signed up to a contract is nonsense in my eyes. And stupid considering cross sport exposure will only enhance a kid's development.

My point is if you are in a pro soccer academy and miss training to play another sport you risk the boot. That's Belgium, Botswana or Bohs. Parents are fully aware of this

It is not the case in u14's GAA. Parents were unaware of this.

So yes, it's wrong. But you are fully aware of the expectations

Being aware of it hardly matters. Both codes in these instances are trying to restrict a child playing different sports. That's the reason it's a disgrace. Knowing about it beforehand doesn't stop it being a disgrace nor does it give soccer a by-ball.

My final word on this.

I am commenting on the whataboutery.

An incident in the GAA is met with soccer and rugby do it too.

Correct. Professional soccer and rugby do it. Everywhere. You put your kid in an acadamy they are restricted in what other sports they can play. You know this going in. Clearly that was not the case in Offaly.

So the discussion should be is an u14 county panel the same as an u15 professional setup, and if so be up front about it.

"an u15 professional set up"

clearly none so blind as those that dont want to see

That's your takeaway? If Leinster or Shamrock Rovers don't have professional setups, what are they?

[trueblue1234]

It's all the dinosaurs in the Gah who do this

2 u13's told if they were joining a Dublin school boy club to give up all other sport as a condition of them joining

Currently 5 u15's in Offaly barred by Athlone Town from playing GAA

GAA as per usual held to a different standard than the rugby and soccer

Unsourced whataboutery

Except it's not,in the instance of the 2 u13's I can name both the players the soccer club and the manager as the manager was my brother in law

If my claim about the 5 u15s in Clara is wrong

prove me wrong

I presume this is referring to the same?
https://twitter.com/pauldeeh19/status/1512177760088829957

I'm not sure what more evidence is needed as I'd also know those involved and it stacks up.

I'd expect BB2 is in denial of anything that might run counter his perma-victim mindset when it comes to Irish domestic soccer.

Again. A bloke on Twitter.

I'm not in denial. I'm asking for people to back up their claims. But it's whataboutery. We are on a GAA forum discussing an incident in the GAA.

Not just any bloke

Paul Deehan is the manager of that particular Clara team and he has said on Twitter that it's 100% that 5 of his u15 team are being prevented from playing Gaelic Football by Athlone Town Fc

The question for you now is quite simple

Do you want to climb out of the hole  you've dug for yourself

Or

Do you want to stay digging and look an even bigger fool than you already are?

If that is true he needs to kick up a fuss. The FAI will not back that position.

But just because other codes may or may not be doing something does not deflect from the topic in hand and the contradictory statements from the Offaly CB.

Sligo Rovers at it as well

asking players to sign contracts at u15 and instructing them to play no other sport

That's acadamy stuff though. They are entering into a professional environment and that's the age you need to specalise. You are monitoring diet and fitness at that level.

As someone who has a kid involved in development squads at soccer and gaa I've never heard tell of gaa telling anyone to not play with their local gaa club, local soccer club or local any Club. Next year if my son continues he will be heading to u15 with his local league of Ireland club and will be asked to leave his local soccer club and stop playing sport of any sort with his friends. The answer from us will be to f**k off.

This is a soccer problem primarily and while this Offaly thing is pathetic by them, it's certainly a minority approach at that age in gaa.

What is fascinating is that soccer has been at this for years and yet 1st sign of gaa doing it and you have national media all over it - what does that tell you.

So you want your kid in promoted into a professional acadamy strcture with all that goes with, but also to play with his friends. Respectfully, you need to piss or get off the pot.

Respectfully, you are a gobshite that doesnt know what hes talking about. Professional? - have you been around many LOI clubs?

While I generally accept the point about specialising too early, the rules of a LoI acadamy are as clear as day. You are entering a professional environment with a contract and as such other sports can be deemed offside. Some clubs are acadamies in name, some are FAS courses, some are full time setups where the kids go to school there. Similar for the provincial rugby setups.

That was not the environment the kids in Offaly entered. Also Offaly GAA did not follow their own rules.

We're not chatting about the legal rights regards contracts. We're chatting about the rights and wrongs of any sport restricting the exposure to other sports at that age. Both are 💯 wrong. No ifs or buts. Trying to justify it cause they have signed up to a contract is nonsense in my eyes. And stupid considering cross sport exposure will only enhance a kid's development.

My point is if you are in a pro soccer academy and miss training to play another sport you risk the boot. That's Belgium, Botswana or Bohs. Parents are fully aware of this

It is not the case in u14's GAA. Parents were unaware of this.

So yes, it's wrong. But you are fully aware of the expectations

Being aware of it hardly matters. Both codes in these instances are trying to restrict a child playing different sports. That's the reason it's a disgrace. Knowing about it beforehand doesn't stop it being a disgrace nor does it give soccer a by-ball.

My final word on this.

I am commenting on the whataboutery.

An incident in the GAA is met with soccer and rugby do it too.

Correct. Professional soccer and rugby do it. Everywhere. You put your kid in an acadamy they are restricted in what other sports they can play. You know this going in. Clearly that was not the case in Offaly.

So the discussion should be is an u14 county panel the same as an u15 professional setup, and if so be up front about it.

Just nonsense. It's not whataboutery to discuss other sports acting in the exact same way as this management set up( And let's be clear here it's not the GAA in general).
You were billy big balls on this until it was pointed out that your beloved soccer do the exact same thing and are now trying to justify kids being stopped playing other sports because it was in the clause of their contract. If anything it's worse for soccer if all academies are doing this rather than a singular management team. They're 14 year old ffs.

[clonadmad]

It's all the dinosaurs in the Gah who do this

2 u13's told if they were joining a Dublin school boy club to give up all other sport as a condition of them joining

Currently 5 u15's in Offaly barred by Athlone Town from playing GAA

GAA as per usual held to a different standard than the rugby and soccer

Unsourced whataboutery

Except it's not,in the instance of the 2 u13's I can name both the players the soccer club and the manager as the manager was my brother in law

If my claim about the 5 u15s in Clara is wrong

prove me wrong

I presume this is referring to the same?
https://twitter.com/pauldeeh19/status/1512177760088829957

I'm not sure what more evidence is needed as I'd also know those involved and it stacks up.

I'd expect BB2 is in denial of anything that might run counter his perma-victim mindset when it comes to Irish domestic soccer.

Again. A bloke on Twitter.

I'm not in denial. I'm asking for people to back up their claims. But it's whataboutery. We are on a GAA forum discussing an incident in the GAA.

Not just any bloke

Paul Deehan is the manager of that particular Clara team and he has said on Twitter that it's 100% that 5 of his u15 team are being prevented from playing Gaelic Football by Athlone Town Fc

The question for you now is quite simple

Do you want to climb out of the hole  you've dug for yourself

Or

Do you want to stay digging and look an even bigger fool than you already are?

If that is true he needs to kick up a fuss. The FAI will not back that position.

But just because other codes may or may not be doing something does not deflect from the topic in hand and the contradictory statements from the Offaly CB.

Sligo Rovers at it as well

asking players to sign contracts at u15 and instructing them to play no other sport

That's acadamy stuff though. They are entering into a professional environment and that's the age you need to specalise. You are monitoring diet and fitness at that level.

As someone who has a kid involved in development squads at soccer and gaa I've never heard tell of gaa telling anyone to not play with their local gaa club, local soccer club or local any Club. Next year if my son continues he will be heading to u15 with his local league of Ireland club and will be asked to leave his local soccer club and stop playing sport of any sort with his friends. The answer from us will be to f**k off.

This is a soccer problem primarily and while this Offaly thing is pathetic by them, it's certainly a minority approach at that age in gaa.

What is fascinating is that soccer has been at this for years and yet 1st sign of gaa doing it and you have national media all over it - what does that tell you.

So you want your kid in promoted into a professional acadamy strcture with all that goes with, but also to play with his friends. Respectfully, you need to piss or get off the pot.

Respectfully, you are a gobshite that doesnt know what hes talking about. Professional? - have you been around many LOI clubs?

While I generally accept the point about specialising too early, the rules of a LoI acadamy are as clear as day. You are entering a professional environment with a contract and as such other sports can be deemed offside. Some clubs are acadamies in name, some are FAS courses, some are full time setups where the kids go to school there. Similar for the provincial rugby setups.

That was not the environment the kids in Offaly entered. Also Offaly GAA did not follow their own rules.

We're not chatting about the legal rights regards contracts. We're chatting about the rights and wrongs of any sport restricting the exposure to other sports at that age. Both are 💯 wrong. No ifs or buts. Trying to justify it cause they have signed up to a contract is nonsense in my eyes. And stupid considering cross sport exposure will only enhance a kid's development.

My point is if you are in a pro soccer academy and miss training to play another sport you risk the boot. That's Belgium, Botswana or Bohs. Parents are fully aware of this

It is not the case in u14's GAA. Parents were unaware of this.

So yes, it's wrong. But you are fully aware of the expectations

Being aware of it hardly matters. Both codes in these instances are trying to restrict a child playing different sports. That's the reason it's a disgrace. Knowing about it beforehand doesn't stop it being a disgrace nor does it give soccer a by-ball.

My final word on this.

I am commenting on the whataboutery.

An incident in the GAA is met with soccer and rugby do it too.

Correct. Professional soccer and rugby do it. Everywhere. You put your kid in an acadamy they are restricted in what other sports they can play. You know this going in. Clearly that was not the case in Offaly.

So the discussion should be is an u14 county panel the same as an u15 professional setup, and if so be up front about it.

"an u15 professional set up"

clearly none so blind as those that dont want to see

That's your takeaway? If Leinster or Shamrock Rovers don't have professional setups, what are they?

Trying to justify kids being forced to give up other sports at u15 level like what sligo rovers are doing because the adults section of the clubs are professional ?

Your floundering Son

Floundering

[Itchy]

And what makes sligo rovers for example more professional than Offaly GAA at u14/u15. Nothing I would say unless sligo rovers are paying the children that sign their contract, which they aren't. A few lads playing on the sligo minor team that won connacht last year told rovers where to stick their contract and I'd say have no regrets.

[David McKeown]

I am genuinely surprised that (association) football does this. I coached kids for more than 15 years at a pretty high level including a few years at 3 different Irish league clubs and I didn't ever hear of this. At times I had kids who were also working with English Premier league clubs and had three over the years who went on to play for senior Northern Ireland teams. Never once did we have such a strict policy in place.

I also ran a youth league and sat on the NIBFA appeals panels for 4 years and had to deal with all sorts of complaints but never heard of anyone having such strict attendance requirements for kids.

Not suggesting anything on here is incorrect just very surprised by it.

I wonder if it's due to the fact that most kids that I coached wouldn't have been interested in GAA

[Rossfan]

Probably.
In many parts of the 26 youngsters are mixing rugby, soccer and gaelic games so presumably the soccer clubs (and Offaly) want to dissuade them from the other games.

[manfromdelmonte]

Even within youth soccer setups in belgium, holland etc early specialisation in one sport is discouraged.

Anyone with any sort of background study of methodologies across sports will know this.

[Itchy]

Probably.
In many parts of the 26 youngsters are mixing rugby, soccer and gaelic games so presumably the soccer clubs (and Offaly) want to dissuade them from the other games.

In fairness to rugby, never heard of them introducing contracts or preventing kids playing other sports

[Main Street]

Even within youth soccer setups in belgium, holland etc early specialisation in one sport is discouraged.

Anyone with any sort of background study of methodologies across sports will know this.

There was nothing mentioned beforehand that these kids had to decide there and then to devote themselves 100% to this GAA academy when they signed up.
The parents followed the academy guidelines when their kids would be absent from a training session.
The dismissal of the kids was an arbitrary decision which ignored common protocols and procedures.
The whole affair amounts to child abuse of sorts..