Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[Wildweasel74]

Oh piss off u clown, we all know who started it without u posting Fake news lol

[Dag Dog]

Oh piss off u clown, we all know who started it without u posting Fake news lol

You'll notice that tankies, pro-Russia, nutjobs, far-right/far-left, 'do their own research' goons keep repeating the same lies over and over.
It gets debunked, they get a hammering, they dust themselves off and say the same rubbish again a few days later.

[trueblue1234]

Oh piss off u clown, we all know who started it without u posting Fake news lol

He decided to go AWOL yesterday when asked a few questions, then pops up with a wee vid hoping no one notices.

[theskull1]

Some of you sheep do me a favour and fake news Mearsheimers prediction from 10 years ago.

You don't need to have a side to acknowledge he was 100% right about how this would end up

[Windmill abu]

Some of you sheep do me a favour and fake news Mearsheimers prediction from 10 years ago.

You don't need to have a side to acknowledge he was 100% right about how this would end up

Exactly right.
The West without the USA cannot stop Russia.
So for better or worse the West needs Donald Trump and his armed forces to protect them from Russia.

[Banks of the Bann]

He refuses to engage. He made some vague statements recently about how the 'truth' of the holocaust will one day come out. Couldn't and wouldn't elaborate any further on that when asked.

Also recently stated there were 'upwards of one million' Ukrainian deaths. Don't know where he got that from and he refuses to say. Pulled it out of his arse probably, or rather Donald Trump's arse. Funny how pro-Russians have been trying to downplay the number of Ukrainian deaths for 3 years (Russia is waging such a humane war) but now when it's being used by Trump to try to bully Ukraine into capitulation, it's magically jumps to over a million.

So here he is again, popping up with the two most despicable pro-Russian liars on the internet Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate. That's Aaron 'I never claimed to be an expert on Ukraine or Russia' Mate. No shit Aaron.

And of course John Mearsheimer (again) and just waiting on the Jeffrey Sachs video for the hat trick.

Field Marshall Mearsheimer thinks Russia should have a veto on every democracy in Eastern Europe and Sachs is obsessed with a discussion specifically about NATO and the reunification of Germany in 1990, which he disingenuously takes to mean the whole of Eastern Europe (all still prisoners within the Warsaw Pact, when the discussion was taking place).

[Wildweasel74]

Bah!

[Banks of the Bann]

Some of you sheep do me a favour and fake news Mearsheimers prediction from 10 years ago.

You don't need to have a side to acknowledge he was 100% right about how this would end up

Exactly right.
The West without the USA cannot stop Russia.
So for better or worse the West needs Donald Trump and his armed forces to protect them from Russia.

Exactly wrong.

Mearsheimer went to Moscow and the Russians told him NATO is a threat to them. That's where he got his grand theory from - direct from Russia.

Except NATO is not a threat to Russia. At least not to Russia itself but to Putin's grand imperial plans.

So Mearsheimer discards international
Law and the rights of free nations to determine their future at the whim of a dictatorship like Russia because.. Russia says so.

[Main Street]

[theskull1]

I engage plenty but will ignore any false dichotomies posed to try and corner a discussion. There will always be nuance required to flesh out what many here deem to be yes or no to be the only answer. Just not playing that game.

Fact check.... What AI told me about if Mearsheimer ever visited Russia (not that it changes whether his prediction was right or not

Mearsheimer and Russia

There is no direct evidence in the provided context that John Mearsheimer has discussed geopolitical issues with Russians. However, his writings and theories have been endorsed and referenced by Russian officials. For instance, Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs tweeted an endorsement of Mearsheimer's 2014 article, "Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West's Fault," indicating that his views resonate with Russian perspectives on the crisis

Additionally, Mearsheimer's realist analysis has been criticized for sounding similar to Russian propaganda, suggesting that his ideas have been influential in Russian narratives about the West and Ukraine This implies that while Mearsheimer may not have directly engaged in discussions with Russian officials, his work has been adopted and utilized by Russian state media and officials to support their geopolitical narratives

On the point of 1 million or 500k the fact you need to call that out as a lie rather than an exaggeration shows me you just want to be right. Even if it was just 100k died, this is no less tragic.


Tell me this fellas....
Is John Mearsheimers views on Israel to your liking?
Is Glenn Greenwalds views on Israel to your liking?
Is Jeffrey Sachs views on Israel to your liking?
Is Aaron Mates views on Israel to your liking?

You see I so happen to align very closely with the above mentioned on this topic because I'm convinced by their integrity as human beings when I hear them discuss both Israel and Ukraine.

I look at Trumps and Bidens (throw in Victoria Nuland in there as well) loyalty to Israel and will trust nothing they have to say solely as result of their positions on this one issue
I look at Kweer Starmers (and Sunak and Johnson etc) loyalty to Israel and will trust nothing they have to say solely on this one issue
I look at Macron, Rutte, Scolz, Von Der Leyens etc loyalty to Israel and will trust nothing they have to say on any topic.
I look at the likes of commentators like Douglas Murray and see the same alligence to Israel.

How you fellas can align in any way with these Israel boot licker global elites I dunno. They are pure evil in my eyes but yet you lads can align with them on driving hundreds of thousands to their deaths without ever looking interested in securing a peace deal in Ukraine or in Gaza.
I can only assume they have something on youse?

 

[Milltown Row2]

But aligning yourself to Putin is ok?

[theskull1]

Deflecting again Milltown.... you and the rest are in complete alignment with Israeli boot lickers when it comes to Ukraine yet somehow can suspend their groveling support of thee most evil regime on the planet.

I've stated already on this thread that I don't support anybody here but in putting forward what I see to be the valid position that this war was egged on by the West in a way that forced Russia to react (a position held by many many people), thats all it takes for the you Zelenskyy fan boys to get your panties twisted completely unable to see it as just a considered position but instead just go to full ad homenim mode. No different to a protester of Israel being defined as a supporter of terrorism or a protester of British rule being defined in the same way. Brings back GWBs old "You're either with me or with the terrorist" statement before they found their false pretext to go to war for Israel in Iraq. It's the same completely low IQ shite here from all of youse.

You'll NEVER convince me that this conflict wasnt wanted by a corrupted West and its Military industrial complex and we're in a time these same people are priming to get your son and daughters made available to go to war for them at some point in the future. I trust none of them

[RadioGAAGAA]

Simple request.

Could you all please stop quoting empty skull?

Its making my ignore list ineffective!!

Thank you!

[Banks of the Bann]

I engage plenty but will ignore any false dichotomies posed to try and corner a discussion. There will always be nuance required to flesh out what many here deem to be yes or no to be the only answer. Just not playing that game.

Fact check.... What AI told me about if Mearsheimer ever visited Russia (not that it changes whether his prediction was right or not

Mearsheimer and Russia

There is no direct evidence in the provided context that John Mearsheimer has discussed geopolitical issues with Russians. However, his writings and theories have been endorsed and referenced by Russian officials. For instance, Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs tweeted an endorsement of Mearsheimer's 2014 article, "Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West's Fault," indicating that his views resonate with Russian perspectives on the crisis

Additionally, Mearsheimer's realist analysis has been criticized for sounding similar to Russian propaganda, suggesting that his ideas have been influential in Russian narratives about the West and Ukraine This implies that while Mearsheimer may not have directly engaged in discussions with Russian officials, his work has been adopted and utilized by Russian state media and officials to support their geopolitical narratives

On the point of 1 million or 500k the fact you need to call that out as a lie rather than an exaggeration shows me you just want to be right. Even if it was just 100k died, this is no less tragic.


Tell me this fellas....
Is John Mearsheimers views on Israel to your liking?
Is Glenn Greenwalds views on Israel to your liking?
Is Jeffrey Sachs views on Israel to your liking?
Is Aaron Mates views on Israel to your liking?

You see I so happen to align very closely with the above mentioned on this topic because I'm convinced by their integrity as human beings when I hear them discuss both Israel and Ukraine.

I look at Trumps and Bidens (throw in Victoria Nuland in there as well) loyalty to Israel and will trust nothing they have to say solely as result of their positions on this one issue
I look at Kweer Starmers (and Sunak and Johnson etc) loyalty to Israel and will trust nothing they have to say solely on this one issue
I look at Macron, Rutte, Scolz, Von Der Leyens etc loyalty to Israel and will trust nothing they have to say on any topic.
I look at the likes of commentators like Douglas Murray and see the same alligence to Israel.

How you fellas can align in any way with these Israel boot licker global elites I dunno. They are pure evil in my eyes but yet you lads can align with them on driving hundreds of thousands to their deaths without ever looking interested in securing a peace deal in Ukraine or in Gaza.
I can only assume they have something on youse?

 

Fact check....asking AI something is not a fact check. I'm not surprised you ran to AI, you're too lazy to think for yourself.

Could you outline the 'false dichotomy' that is being presented to you? Thank you.

The heart of Mearsheimer's argument is that Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO and/or the EU is an existential threat. Mearsheimer just accepts this because....Russia sees it that way.

Here is what he said:

"
Looking at the situation now with Russia and Ukraine, how do you think the world got here?

I think all the trouble in this case really started in April, 2008, at the nato Summit in Bucharest, where afterward nato issued a statement that said Ukraine and Georgia would become part of nato. The Russians made it unequivocally clear at the time that they viewed this as an existential threat, and they drew a line in the sand. Nevertheless, what has happened with the passage of time is that we have moved forward to include Ukraine in the West to make Ukraine a Western bulwark on Russia's border. Of course, this includes more than just nato expansion. nato expansion is the heart of the strategy, but it includes E.U. expansion as well, and it includes turning Ukraine into a pro-American liberal democracy, and, from a Russian perspective, this is an existential threat.
"

The Russians made it unequivocally clear. He is deriving his theory from what the Russians say. Great thinker indeed. Imagine Ukraine being a liberal democracy, yeah that would be an existential threat to Russia's dictatorship, the Russian people might like that for themselves.

As for the number of deaths in Ukraine, as I've said before, spare us your crocodile tears. You're a shill for the murderer and you have blood on your hands, just like Max and Aaron. You care as much about dead Ukrainians as you do about dead Syrians and as you do about dead Palestinians. Dead Palestinians don't count to you when they are murdered and starved to death by Assad with the assistance of Hezbollah. Blumenthal and Mate don't give a f**k about Palestinians either btw.

Russia obliterated Mariupol and other Ukrainian cities with thermobaric munitions and have caused hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. Pro-Russians online have been playing down the number of Ukrainians murdered for 3 years and now their hearts are bleeding when Trump pulled a made up figure out of his arse in order to try to shame Zelenskyy into accepting Ukrainian surrender. It's repulsive, shameful and you should be ashamed.

As for the rest about Israel, so if someone is Pro-Palestinian you accept as gospel everything they have to say on every other geopolitical matter? Got it. Great strategy.

Btw, you've been invited to apply Mearsheimers great power politics to the Israel-Gaza situation. Any thoughts on that?

p.s. where exactly did you get your 'upwards of one million figure from?. It was Trump wasn't it!

[Banks of the Bann]

Deflecting again Milltown.... you and the rest are in complete alignment with Israeli boot lickers when it comes to Ukraine yet somehow can suspend their groveling support of thee most evil regime on the planet.

I've stated already on this thread that I don't support anybody here but in putting forward what I see to be the valid position that this war was egged on by the West in a way that forced Russia to react (a position held by many many people), thats all it takes for the you Zelenskyy fan boys to get your panties twisted completely unable to see it as just a considered position but instead just go to full ad homenim mode. No different to a protester of Israel being defined as a supporter of terrorism or a protester of British rule being defined in the same way. Brings back GWBs old "You're either with me or with the terrorist" statement before they found their false pretext to go to war for Israel in Iraq. It's the same completely low IQ shite here from all of youse.

You'll NEVER convince me that this conflict wasnt wanted by a corrupted West and its Military industrial complex and we're in a time these same people are priming to get your son and daughters made available to go to war for them at some point in the future. I trust none of them

Trying to convince you of anything would be like trying to convince a MAGA of something. You're cut from the same cloth.

I'm not trying to convince you of a single thing, I'm just here to counter every single shred of pro-Russian propaganda and bullshit you're peddling.