Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[armaghniac]

Surely the remaining electorate in the Ukrainian held areas would vote their piano playing president back in again?

If not why not?

The British did not vote for Churchill.

[theskull1]

If Ukrainians want their young men to keep fighting, they'll vote for the man in military fatigues

[Wildweasel74]

Skull, don't think u lasted long up North in the 70's with that defeatist attitude.

[theskull1]

I just see it as a completely pointless loss of hundreds of thousands of young lives Weasel.
Many agree with my perspective as much as I know many here don't. Europe is all the poorer for this pointless war.

America wouldn't stand for the likes of Mexico or Cuba entering into a military alliance with say the likes of China and they would get a warning to not do it or else face consequences. It would be completely understandable to me if I put myself in the US's shoes why invading said countries would take place if they continued with their plans.

Sadly Ukraine played chicken with Putin's threats, egged on by the west who were more than happy to try and weaken Russia. 

RAND - Overextending and Unbalancing Russia - 2019

[Milltown Row2]

I'm not sure it's as simple as that skull, this has been happening since well before 2014, various different governments have been in place before this guy.

I'm not sure invading a country should be acceptable anywhere, you invade one county because they lie down and ya move into another and so on, before ya know it they are in Finland Poland and all the other bordering countries.

Americans happy to let Israel do there genocide and allow Russia to stay in large parts of the Ukraine

Putin is a gangster a Terrorist a dictator and a megalomaniac, he has brought Russia back to the dark ages while his wealth gets bigger. Throwing young lads into battles with the bare minimum training and kit, and for what?

[seafoid]

https://www.ft.com/content/c81e2b9f-2ff5-4282-9f5a-8fa1a5b794da
Putin wants to deal with what he considers the "root causes" of the situation — the development of a European security order unfavourable to Russia since the end of the cold war.


He wants Ukraine to be a failed state with no friends. That is unlikely to happen

[Banks of the Bann]

I just see it as a completely pointless loss of hundreds of thousands of young lives Weasel.
Many agree with my perspective as much as I know many here don't. Europe is all the poorer for this pointless war.

America wouldn't stand for the likes of Mexico or Cuba entering into a military alliance with say the likes of China and they would get a warning to not do it or else face consequences. It would be completely understandable to me if I put myself in the US's shoes why invading said countries would take place if they continued with their plans.

Sadly Ukraine played chicken with Putin's threats, egged on by the west who were more than happy to try and weaken Russia. 

RAND - Overextending and Unbalancing Russia - 2019

Well, well, well, at last the board 'anti-imperialist' has finally outed himself. A fake and a charlatan.

He now understands the US by 'putting himself in their shoes'. How easily he puts on the hypothetical shoes of an empire, in order to excuse the actions of Russia.

Did he ever think to put on, perhaps, Mexico's hypothetical shoes for wanting to join a defensive alliance if say for example, the US had:

1. Colonised Mexico again and again over centuries.
2. Attempted to erase their culture.
3. Attempted to erase their language.
4. Created an artificial famine that killed millions in the 1930s. (The Irish still bitterly remember the 1840s)
5. Deported hundreds of thousands to the the eastern fringe of their evil empire.
6. More recently annexed Baja California and parts of 2 other Mexican provinces.

Of course he didn't, he prefers to slip on the shoes of the imperialist, rather than the victim. Sick and twisted.

Amusing to see him pivot to 'understanding' a hypothetical United States, only now that it's being run by a wannabe fascist.

Interesting also that he's still clinging onto his hatred of Ukraine, the actual victim of imperialism in all this. Or perhaps it's just his hatred of 'Duelensky' that he has extended to encompass all of Ukraine - we all know the name of that particular prejudice - he has demonstrated it time and again on this board with his words.

I wonder if he could also excuse Israel flattening Gaza because of Hamas' military alliance with Iran? Of course he could, if it suited him.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine is indeed a massive loss of life. Caused by Russia, and excused by their online army of western fake anti-imperialist anti-west dimwits. Every single one of them have Ukrainian blood on their hands.

p.s. here is 'the West' trying to 'weaken' Russia..yeah that's right.

https://www.dw.com/en/the-history-of-nord-stream/a-58618313

[jb77]

Very spicy in here for an old GAA forum

[theskull1]

Gerry runs hot all the time.

Regardless of his pro 'fight to the very last man attitude', I believe many ordinary Ukrainians will hold opinions similar to mine and have had enough of the piano man.

[Banks of the Bann]

Surely the remaining electorate in the Ukrainian held areas would vote their piano playing president back in again?

If not why not?

Zelenskyy can play the piano? What a freak!

Seriously, talking about an election while also referencing 'the remaining electorate' and 'Ukrainian held areas'. You're beyond parody at this stage.

p.s. the Ukrainian constitution prohibits an election during martial law. But you already knew that.

[Banks of the Bann]

Gerry runs hot all the time.

Regardless of his pro 'fight to the very last man attitude', I believe many ordinary Ukrainians will hold opinions similar to mine and have had enough of the piano man.

Holohoax thinks I'm a GUR psy-op called Gerry. (Psy-op lol)

I'm pro arm Ukraine to the f**king teeth to save the lives of as many Ukrainian men, women and children as possible. The war could have been over by now.

Holohoax is pro make Ukraine surrender and ignore the genocide, rape, torture, murder and all the rest.

And blame Ukraine (again) when it all kicks off (again) in 5 years.

And it seems the propagandists he follows on X tell him that Ukrainians want what he wants. Tells you ALL you need to know about his judgement.

[Wildweasel74]

The point of smaller nations joining Nato is to seek protection from its bigger more dangerous neighbour who has previous form invading their neighbours. Germany, UK and France would be the main stays in any Nato defence. Poland had to arm up as they the biggest under thread. Smaller countries offer very little but rush to join NATO for protection.

[Banks of the Bann]

The point of smaller nations joining Nato is to seek protection from its bigger more dangerous neighbour who has previous form invading their neighbours. Germany, UK and France would be the main stays in any Nato defence. Poland had to arm up as they the biggest under thread. Smaller countries offer very little but rush to join NATO for protection.

Poland watched the cowing of the Biden Administration to Russia's nuclear huffing and puffing over the past 3 years and realised that NATOs Article 5 assurances are worthless.

That's why they've spent the last 3 years arming themselves to the teeth.

Even more worthless now with the fascist Trump and Adolf Musk in power in the US.

[Main Street]

The point of smaller nations joining Nato is to seek protection from its bigger more dangerous neighbour who has previous form invading their neighbours. Germany, UK and France would be the main stays in any Nato defence. Poland had to arm up as they the biggest under thread. Smaller countries offer very little but rush to join NATO for protection.

The military prowess of the 3 small baltic countries is considerable. Now in addition new member Finland has an army that could readily defend its territory from any Russian attack, not only that but punch back with devastating effect.

[theskull1]

Getting a '40 beheaded babies' vibe when I hear people scare mongering about Russia attacking other territories but maybe I'm missing something.
Can someone provide evidence that taking over other countries is part of Russia's medium term plan?