Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[armaghniac]

If Mexico or Canada wanted to join an Alliance with Russia woukd the US say "sovereign Countries can do as they see fit"?

Would they fcuk. As with every conflict in the world you can trace it back to either the Brits or the Americans. Russia was promised 30 years ago when the Berlin wall fell that NATO would not advance one inch eastwards. Now look.

Which treaty or agreement promised this?

[johnnycool]

If Mexico or Canada wanted to join an Alliance with Russia woukd the US say "sovereign Countries can do as they see fit"?

Would they fcuk. As with every conflict in the world you can trace it back to either the Brits or the Americans. Russia was promised 30 years ago when the Berlin wall fell that NATO would not advance one inch eastwards. Now look.

Which treaty or agreement promised this?

Nothing formal as you can read in this article, kinda a gentlemans agreement, initially with Gorbachev and Reagan if I can find the Noam Chomsky video and even Yeltsin warned Clinton at a later date about the perils of NATO expanding eastwards onto its borders.

https://www.dw.com/en/nato-why-russia-has-a-problem-with-its-eastward-expansion/a-60891681

[Keyser soze]

One big lesson here don't let Iran get nukes .

Who has Iran ever gone to war with?

Currently iran and saudi messing behind the scenes all over the middle east to try and gain the upper hand over each other

So none then.

[johnnycool]

If Mexico or Canada wanted to join an Alliance with Russia woukd the US say "sovereign Countries can do as they see fit"?

Would they fcuk. As with every conflict in the world you can trace it back to either the Brits or the Americans. Russia was promised 30 years ago when the Berlin wall fell that NATO would not advance one inch eastwards. Now look.

Which treaty or agreement promised this?

Nothing formal as you can read in this article, kinda a gentlemans agreement, initially with Gorbachev and Reagan if I can find the Noam Chomsky video and even Yeltsin warned Clinton at a later date about the perils of NATO expanding eastwards onto its borders.

https://www.dw.com/en/nato-why-russia-has-a-problem-with-its-eastward-expansion/a-60891681

Can't find the video but this article covers that time period and even blames Clinton for pressing for NATO expansions east even though several sources say there was an agreement between Reagan and Gorbachev...

https://foreignpolicynews.org/2020/12/13/time-to-roll-back-the-expansion-of-nato/

[blasmere]

One big lesson here don't let Iran get nukes .

Who has Iran ever gone to war with?

Currently iran and saudi messing behind the scenes all over the middle east to try and gain the upper hand over each other

So none then.

Iraq
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#:~:text=The%20war%20lasted%20for%20almost,the%20United%20Nations%20Security%20Council.

[Milltown Row2]

If Mexico or Canada wanted to join an Alliance with Russia woukd the US say "sovereign Countries can do as they see fit"?

Would they fcuk. As with every conflict in the world you can trace it back to either the Brits or the Americans. Russia was promised 30 years ago when the Berlin wall fell that NATO would not advance one inch eastwards. Now look.

Which treaty or agreement promised this?

Nothing formal as you can read in this article, kinda a gentlemans agreement, initially with Gorbachev and Reagan if I can find the Noam Chomsky video and even Yeltsin warned Clinton at a later date about the perils of NATO expanding eastwards onto its borders.

https://www.dw.com/en/nato-why-russia-has-a-problem-with-its-eastward-expansion/a-60891681

Can't find the video but this article covers that time period and even blames Clinton for pressing for NATO expansions east even though several sources say there was an agreement between Reagan and Gorbachev...

https://foreignpolicynews.org/2020/12/13/time-to-roll-back-the-expansion-of-nato/

So these countries are being forced to join Nato?

[johnnycool]

If Mexico or Canada wanted to join an Alliance with Russia woukd the US say "sovereign Countries can do as they see fit"?

Would they fcuk. As with every conflict in the world you can trace it back to either the Brits or the Americans. Russia was promised 30 years ago when the Berlin wall fell that NATO would not advance one inch eastwards. Now look.

Which treaty or agreement promised this?

Nothing formal as you can read in this article, kinda a gentlemans agreement, initially with Gorbachev and Reagan if I can find the Noam Chomsky video and even Yeltsin warned Clinton at a later date about the perils of NATO expanding eastwards onto its borders.

https://www.dw.com/en/nato-why-russia-has-a-problem-with-its-eastward-expansion/a-60891681

Can't find the video but this article covers that time period and even blames Clinton for pressing for NATO expansions east even though several sources say there was an agreement between Reagan and Gorbachev...

https://foreignpolicynews.org/2020/12/13/time-to-roll-back-the-expansion-of-nato/

So these countries are being forced to join Nato?

Who said that?

[clonadmad]

If Mexico or Canada wanted to join an Alliance with Russia woukd the US say "sovereign Countries can do as they see fit"?

Would they fcuk. As with every conflict in the world you can trace it back to either the Brits or the Americans. Russia was promised 30 years ago when the Berlin wall fell that NATO would not advance one inch eastwards. Now look.

Which treaty or agreement promised this?

Nothing formal as you can read in this article, kinda a gentlemans agreement, initially with Gorbachev and Reagan if I can find the Noam Chomsky video and even Yeltsin warned Clinton at a later date about the perils of NATO expanding eastwards onto its borders.

https://www.dw.com/en/nato-why-russia-has-a-problem-with-its-eastward-expansion/a-60891681

When Putin is fully finished with invading Ukraine

He will have a border with Nato 4-6 times the length of the border with Nato before he invaded

Go figure


Plus a mass insurrection in that country and a fully engaged Nato

[JPGJOHNNYG]

If Mexico or Canada wanted to join an Alliance with Russia woukd the US say "sovereign Countries can do as they see fit"?

Would they fcuk. As with every conflict in the world you can trace it back to either the Brits or the Americans. Russia was promised 30 years ago when the Berlin wall fell that NATO would not advance one inch eastwards. Now look.

Which treaty or agreement promised this?

Nothing formal as you can read in this article, kinda a gentlemans agreement, initially with Gorbachev and Reagan if I can find the Noam Chomsky video and even Yeltsin warned Clinton at a later date about the perils of NATO expanding eastwards onto its borders.

https://www.dw.com/en/nato-why-russia-has-a-problem-with-its-eastward-expansion/a-60891681

When Putin is fully finished with invading Ukraine

He will have a border with Nato 4-6 times the length of the border with Nato before he invaded

Go figure


Plus a mass insurrection in that country and a fully engaged Nato

Plus Georgia Sweden and Finland all now thinking about NATO. So all in all a complete f**k up by vlad

[Keyser soze]

One big lesson here don't let Iran get nukes .

Who has Iran ever gone to war with?

Currently iran and saudi messing behind the scenes all over the middle east to try and gain the upper hand over each other

So none then.

Iraq
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#:~:text=The%20war%20lasted%20for%20almost,the%20United%20Nations%20Security%20Council.

They were invaded by Iraq.

[J70]

Garry Kasparov:

https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1499088993736138754?s=20&t=ynHrJWADxw1NxOPipNj12A

Putin's war on Ukraine has entered its next phase, one of destruction and slaughter of civilians. It is also a part of Putin's World War, a war on the civilized world of international law, democracy, and any threat to his power, which he declared long ago.

The free world's denial of this war and decades of appeasement allowed Putin to threaten and conquer abroad while turning Russia into a police state. The price to stop him has gone up every time he has advanced unchallenged. Ukrainians are paying that price in blood.

If Putin is not stopped now, not prevented from destroying Ukraine and committing genocide against its people, there will be a next time and it will be in NATO, with an unprecedented nuclear threat. Do not let Putin escalate again in a time and place of his choosing.

Everyone is quoting my 2015 book Winter Is Coming and saying I was right & "listen to Kasparov". But will you still listen when I say this will take sacrifice and risk? Not just wheat and gas prices, not just empty chalets and unemployed lobbyists. Easy is over.

Or will you say that I am irrational, blinded by hate, as I heard in 2015? I hope not. Putin must be stopped because the unthinkable is now the possible. The world has awoken, at long last, and many steps I recommended last week are happening. It's not enough.

My recommendations:

1 I cannot demand NATO attack Russian forces directly, but I can speak from history & knowledge of Putin. A dictator who has already crossed every line cannot be prevented from escalating with restraint. If he destroys Ukraine, he won't stop.

2 We are not trying to appeal to the murderer in his bunker in the Urals. The message is to those who carry out his orders. Will they? Do they all wish to die? Putin will escalate anyway if he is not stopped now. He will, as he always has before, & the price will be higher. 7/13

3 Send Russia to the technological stone age. No support, no parts, no services. Oil boycotts aren't necessary if oil tech is unavailable. The industry will grind to a halt. This means a war footing in sacrificing, retooling & increasing production to substitute. It's war.

4 It's always tragic that ordinary people suffer, but they are not being bombed in their homes like Ukrainians. Every element of Russian society that can pressure Putin must know they have to choose between him & everything else. Some will cling to him, but for how long?

5 Clear message to Russian generals that they will suffer annihilation if one inch of NATO is touched. Send UKR every weapon, including the jets that have been blocked, as if Putin cares about the difference. Stop guessing about his thoughts and do what is needed. 10/13

6 Every day Ukraine endures gives opportunity to communicate this catastrophe to the only people who can really stop Putin, the Russian people, from oligarchs to commanders to protestors. Let all in the power vertical know they will be treated as war criminals. They are.

7 Leave nothing in reserve. Speed is of the essence to stop payments and catch them and their assets before they hide. Threats like "he doesn't know what's coming" don't work if Putin doesn't believe you. Show him. And show Russians there is no way back with Putin. Never.

8 Root out the corrupt politicians, businessmen & dark money that corrupted a generation to turn a blind eye or serve authoritarian regimes. Follow the donations, payments, gifts, influence. Hold them accountable. Down with Putin & his appeasers, glory to Ukraine.

[clonadmad]

One big lesson here don't let Iran get nukes .

The big lesson here is that if you have nukes like what Ukraine did

You don't give them up

Regardless of what guarantees you get from the Russians or anyone else

Something the Iranians and North Koreans will have noted

[Gmac]

One big lesson here don't let Iran get nukes .

The big lesson here is that if you have nukes like what Ukraine did

You don't give them up

Regardless of what guarantees you get from the Russians or anyone else

Something the Iranians and North Koreans will have noted

well exactly and you don't need anymore regimes getting them and threatening nuclear war
I think North Korea already have some nuclear capability.

[J70]

One big lesson here don't let Iran get nukes .

The big lesson here is that if you have nukes like what Ukraine did

You don't give them up

Regardless of what guarantees you get from the Russians or anyone else

Something the Iranians and North Koreans will have noted

well exactly and you don't need anymore regimes getting them and threatening nuclear war
I think North Korea already have some nuclear capability.

Which pretty much secures the Kim family in power for ever more, bar some asteroid strike or one of them actually initiating a nuclear war.

[seafoid]

One big lesson here don't let Iran get nukes .

The big lesson here is that if you have nukes like what Ukraine did

You don't give them up

Regardless of what guarantees you get from the Russians or anyone else

Something the Iranians and North Koreans will have noted

well exactly and you don't need anymore regimes getting them and threatening nuclear war
I think North Korea already have some nuclear capability.

Which pretty much secures the Kim family in power for ever more, bar some asteroid strike or one of them actually initiating a nuclear war.

Nukes are no protection against a popular uprising. That is what will probably take the Kim's down

Nukes won't save Israeli apartheid either