Ulster JFC/IFC 2021.

[oakleaflad]

How many clubs in the senior championship in Derry? From memory there's only 8 senior clubs in Kerry so Na Gaeil will be the 9th strongest club side in Kerry.

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[clubman21]

Certainly no confusion regarding the Kerry system. Gerrymandered to deliver an unfair weighting into the AI club series. Their use of the "novice" grade is part of the sham. They should be made to recalibrate so that Sen/Int county champs play off with the winner entering the Munster Senior Club, Kerry Junior Champs enter Munster Intermediate and Kerry Novice Champs enter Munster Junior

Year upon year kerry "senior"clubs win junior and intermediate all ireland success.

[theticklemister]

"People said there was no GAA in the city"

Fecking class Neil lad.

[armaghniac]

Certainly no confusion regarding the Kerry system. Gerrymandered to deliver an unfair weighting into the AI club series. Their use of the "novice" grade is part of the sham. They should be made to recalibrate so that Sen/Int county champs play off with the winner entering the Munster Senior Club, Kerry Junior Champs enter Munster Intermediate and Kerry Novice Champs enter Munster Junior

Kerry have a different system and it may well unbalance the All Ireland competitions and require adjustment. But I don't think the system is "gerrymandered" to affect the AI series, the main reason the structure is the way it is has to do with what Kerry want among themselves.

[tiempo]

Certainly no confusion regarding the Kerry system. Gerrymandered to deliver an unfair weighting into the AI club series. Their use of the "novice" grade is part of the sham. They should be made to recalibrate so that Sen/Int county champs play off with the winner entering the Munster Senior Club, Kerry Junior Champs enter Munster Intermediate and Kerry Novice Champs enter Munster Junior

Year upon year kerry "senior"clubs win junior and intermediate all ireland success.

It is absolutely delightful to see them beat on the odd occasion, how they can even celebrate is beyond me, knowingly handing out trimmings to teams of a much lesser standing

[Maroon Manc]

How many clubs in the senior championship in Derry? From memory there's only 8 senior clubs in Kerry so Na Gaeil will be the 9th strongest club side in Kerry.

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So Derrys 17th strongest club against Kerrys 9th.

No surprise why Kerry clubs dominate this competition and subsequently dominate the junior comp too, they've won 10 out of the last 15 junior club finals.

[general_lee]

Fair play to them they sent a Division 2 team to represent them this year. In all seriousness though, having a 4th "novice" grade while only allowing 8 senior clubs is pretty mind-boggling. If the same applied in Armagh, our SFC winners would have been competing at intermediate.

[yellowcard]

How many clubs in the senior championship in Derry? From memory there's only 8 senior clubs in Kerry so Na Gaeil will be the 9th strongest club side in Kerry.

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So Derrys 17th strongest club against Kerrys 9th.

No surprise why Kerry clubs dominate this competition and subsequently dominate the junior comp too, they've won 10 out of the last 15 junior club finals.

That's a remarkable statistic and its a major fault in the system if one single county can produce so many AI champions.

[Ed Ricketts]

Kerry and any other county can and should be able to do what they want with their club championships.

There is absolute integrity in All Ireland Senior club championship. The winner of that competition is the best club team in the land. No ambiguity.

But there is way too much grading inconsistency across the entire country, not only Kerry, for the Intermediate & Junior club championships to have much real meaning beyond a few extra days out for the parish.

And you'll never consolidate these grading inconsistencies because 32 different counties have 32 different sets of factors determining the optimum structure of their internal club championships.

Don't lose sight of the fact that these competitions are novelties. A nice extended victory lap for the clubs that come out on top in their home county. But they shouldn't be taken too seriously, and it's nuts to think any county is shaping their internal competitions just to find an edge here.

[Wildweasel74]

The Kerry lads had about 7/8 on the Divisional team beat in the senior county semi there recently.

[clubman21]

Kerry and any other county can and should be able to do what they want with their club championships.

There is absolute integrity in All Ireland Senior club championship. The winner of that competition is the best club team in the land. No ambiguity.

But there is way too much grading inconsistency across the entire country, not only Kerry, for the Intermediate & Junior club championships to have much real meaning beyond a few extra days out for the parish.

And you'll never consolidate these grading inconsistencies because 32 different counties have 32 different sets of factors determining the optimum structure of their internal club championships.

Don't lose sight of the fact that these competitions are novelties. A nice extended victory lap for the clubs that come out on top in their home county. But they shouldn't be taken too seriously, and it's nuts to think any county is shaping their internal competitions just to find an edge here.

Try telling those who come up against the kerry teams that its a day out for the parish/novelty. Shouldnt be taken seriously? Heard it all

[Wildweasel74]

There 64 club teams I think in Kerry, and only 8 divisional teams, how come Cork and, Dublin teams don't win this every Yr at intermediate/Junior. Given the no of clubs they have. We can only presume they are putting in the correct level of teams for these competitions. They don't win too often at senior level against teams of equal footings. If

[JoG2]

Kerry and any other county can and should be able to do what they want with their club championships.

There is absolute integrity in All Ireland Senior club championship. The winner of that competition is the best club team in the land. No ambiguity.

But there is way too much grading inconsistency across the entire country, not only Kerry, for the Intermediate & Junior club championships to have much real meaning beyond a few extra days out for the parish.

And you'll never consolidate these grading inconsistencies because 32 different counties have 32 different sets of factors determining the optimum structure of their internal club championships.

Don't lose sight of the fact that these competitions are novelties. A nice extended victory lap for the clubs that come out on top in their home county. But they shouldn't be taken too seriously, and it's nuts to think any county is shaping their internal competitions just to find an edge here.

All Ireland club, a novelty and shouldn't be taken too seriously. OK Ed

[oakleaflad]

It's nothing new. The last time a Derry club won Ulster Intermediate was 10 years ago. Beaten by a Kerry club in All Ireland semi final by a team who'd played in their Division 1 final by a point. They won the All Ireland final by something like 15 points.
I think something similar happened when St.Enda's of Antrim won Ulster Intermediate more recently too. 

[tiempo]

Ed a fan of the biggest dwarf analogy. Plenty of lads in the Kerry senior panel with these medals and AI Intercounty Junior medals too, they'll annex any outlier competition if it gives their lads another day or 2 shooting practice in Croke. Shameless.