Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021

[trueblue1234]

If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw

Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is

It's not valid. It's not self inflicted. The gaa has not asked players to limit their social life's. If they had, you could make that argument. How they got it if outside GAA activities is none of their interest. It's as simple as that.

[GiveItToTheShooters]

Quite bizarre that Tyrone pulled out, they've plenty of other boys on the panel or that they have that could be called up. But no, they cut their nose off to spite their face.
I'd say they'll be backtracking now the dubs are out. Cowards is right

How big do you think the panel is? Because they really do not.

They had 21 training this week. I'd say a fair few of their covid cases were asymptomatic so they'll be available to train this week. They're more than capable of fielding on Saturday next. Even with none of the covid players they could've called up top club players like mcaliskey who could've slotted in seamlessly.

Exactly

[LCohen]

(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.

Are you telling me that if you were part of a group with 4 or 5 positive cases you would head to pub?

Define group. Being in a squad doesn't automatically make you a close contact.

More than one person, sharing vehicle or indoor space, or close and repeated contact in physical contact outdoors. Something like that.

But suffice to say if I was training regularly with a bunch of lads and 5 went down with Covid 1 week I would be very careful the following week. You might think I am being unreasonable but please explain why?

[BennyCake]

I seen it in the Euros even after the Mount/Chilwell/Scottish fella thing, players were hugging, talking together etc etc.. and it was baffling seeing it happening as the tournament progressed. I was thinking, Jesus you're into the semis, fist bump your opponents and get off the pitch. Then when in a group, do as much as you can regards distancing, masks etc. You don't want to be missing a Euro semi or final!

Same thing with the Gaelic. I know players have to work, live with family etc, and it's impossible to shut yourself in a room 24/7, but do as much as you can to not contract the virus, for your own health firstly, but for your team as well. If Tyrone did catch and spread it through celebrating the Ulster win, they've only themselves to blame. Unlucky yes, but you're asking for trouble celebrating. Stick your mask on, do what you can, and prepare for Kerry.

[LCohen]

Pubs - the evil of all the land.

No. Nobody is blaming the pubs.

Benny just undercut you there.

Did he blame the pubs?

[LCohen]

If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw

Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is

The huge point you are missing here is that the reason the GAA are putting the game off is because it is massively within their interests to do so.

Not really a reason to not answer the question though is it?

[trueblue1234]

(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.

Are you telling me that if you were part of a group with 4 or 5 positive cases you would head to pub?

Define group. Being in a squad doesn't automatically make you a close contact.

More than one person, sharing vehicle or indoor space, or close and repeated contact in physical contact outdoors. Something like that.

But suffice to say if I was training regularly with a bunch of lads and 5 went down with Covid 1 week I would be very careful the following week. You might think I am being unreasonable but please explain why?

Then your group is not defined as close contacts. If they were then any squad that had one case would automatically have to self isolate. And you know that hasn't been happening across any squads.

[LCohen]

If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw

Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is

It's not valid. It's not self inflicted. The gaa has not asked players to limit their social life's. If they had, you could make that argument. How they got it if outside GAA activities is none of their interest. It's as simple as that.

The GAA will only know that if they ask the question and get it answered. Simple enough process

[trueblue1234]

If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw

Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is

It's not valid. It's not self inflicted. The gaa has not asked players to limit their social life's. If they had, you could make that argument. How they got it if outside GAA activities is none of their interest. It's as simple as that.

The GAA will only know that if they ask the question and get it answered. Simple enough process

Yes they can ask Tyrone if they were following Covid restrictions during trainings, gaa activities etc. That's it.

[CK_Redhand]

Is it even possible to prove where a person caught covid? We are dealing with probabilities and as every player has a life outside football, it is impossible to say whether or not they caught it through "GAA activities".

All irrelevant of course. This comes down to the rules of the GAA. Tyrone have said they cannot fulfill the fixture. The GAA have said they are not moving it. So either
a) Tyrone or GAA change their mind
b) Kerry are given a bye and Tyrone are disciplined in accordance with GAA guidelines

[LCohen]

If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw

Wise yourself up.

What is your point?

Game is scheduled. If you want it moved you come with the full facts and as for a dispensation. Don't pretend that is not reasonable

See previous post. The GAA want this game to go ahead.

You would hope this is not the position of the Tyrone county board. You (I.e. HQ) want the game played therefore don't ask any questions. I could see that backfiring

[LCohen]

(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.

Are you telling me that if you were part of a group with 4 or 5 positive cases you would head to pub?

Define group. Being in a squad doesn't automatically make you a close contact.

More than one person, sharing vehicle or indoor space, or close and repeated contact in physical contact outdoors. Something like that.

But suffice to say if I was training regularly with a bunch of lads and 5 went down with Covid 1 week I would be very careful the following week. You might think I am being unreasonable but please explain why?

Then your group is not defined as close contacts. If they were then any squad that had one case would automatically have to self isolate. And you know that hasn't been happening across any squads.

I don't know. But at 4 or 5 I would be absolutely certain.

[LCohen]

If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw

Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is

The huge point you are missing here is that the reason the GAA are putting the game off is because it is massively within their interests to do so.

Not really a reason to not answer the question though is it?

What question?

Jesus

How badly are Tyrone impacted and how did it come about?

[trueblue1234]

(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.

Are you telling me that if you were part of a group with 4 or 5 positive cases you would head to pub?

Define group. Being in a squad doesn't automatically make you a close contact.

More than one person, sharing vehicle or indoor space, or close and repeated contact in physical contact outdoors. Something like that.

But suffice to say if I was training regularly with a bunch of lads and 5 went down with Covid 1 week I would be very careful the following week. You might think I am being unreasonable but please explain why?

Then your group is not defined as close contacts. If they were then any squad that had one case would automatically have to self isolate. And you know that hasn't been happening across any squads.

I don't know. But at 4 or 5 I would be absolutely certain.

One or five doesn't matter. All in a squad would generally be in close physical contact with each other so if your using your logic, all squads with a single Covid case should all have self isolated. That wasn't happening. So I think, with all due respect your wrong.

[Under Lights]

Need to test the kerry players