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Would you back unity if a border poll was held tomorrow?

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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #750 on: April 07, 2021, 03:29:20 PM »
Was weasel on of the 14 No voters? ;D
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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #751 on: April 07, 2021, 03:30:55 PM »
Until someone brings to the table the processes that protects pensions, and not charging for doctor and hospital appointments( got alot as not well). The gap in pay differences north and south, the increased cost of food prices between both. Until the persons looking a border poll answer how these issues are to be resolved, before a poll, they are wasting their time. Nobody gona go down a route like the leaving the EU vote, as it was obvious nobody knew what they were voting for. A border poll vote blindly on the basis of just a United Ireland ain't gona cut the mustard anymore with people. Bring forward a proper basis and plan why it is better for united Ireland, instead of the usual bullshit about unity. A border poll in the morning wouldn't even be close, and in turn affect delay another vote to years down the line.

If a border poll is called now, as per the GFA there must be one held every 7 years thereafter.

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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #752 on: April 07, 2021, 03:35:25 PM »
Not quite.
There may not be one held within 7 years.
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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #753 on: April 07, 2021, 03:35:31 PM »
Until someone brings to the table the processes that protects pensions, and not charging for doctor and hospital appointments( got alot as not well). The gap in pay differences north and south, the increased cost of food prices between both. Until the persons looking a border poll answer how these issues are to be resolved, before a poll, they are wasting their time. Nobody gona go down a route like the leaving the EU vote, as it was obvious nobody knew what they were voting for. A border poll vote blindly on the basis of just a United Ireland ain't gona cut the mustard anymore with people. Bring forward a proper basis and plan why it is better for united Ireland, instead of the usual bullshit about unity. A border poll in the morning wouldn't even be close, and in turn affect delay another vote to years down the line.

If a border poll is called now, as per the GFA there must be one held every 7 years thereafter.

The GFA states that a second poll can't be held before 7 years have passed. There is no requirement to hold one exactly when the 7 years have passed. Nor for one evey 7 years. My hope is that one referendum will be all that is required.

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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #754 on: April 07, 2021, 06:31:59 PM »
Until someone brings to the table the processes that protects pensions, and not charging for doctor and hospital appointments( got alot as not well). The gap in pay differences north and south, the increased cost of food prices between both. Until the persons looking a border poll answer how these issues are to be resolved, before a poll, they are wasting their time. Nobody gona go down a route like the leaving the EU vote, as it was obvious nobody knew what they were voting for. A border poll vote blindly on the basis of just a United Ireland ain't gona cut the mustard anymore with people. Bring forward a proper basis and plan why it is better for united Ireland, instead of the usual bullshit about unity. A border poll in the morning wouldn't even be close, and in turn affect delay another vote to years down the line.

If a border poll is called now, as per the GFA there must be one held every 7 years thereafter.
Brexit won't be subject to a second ref because the Tories are afraid of a rejection and paralysis.
An unplanned SF UI would be a total clusterfuck economically. Why would anyone in the South vote for it 7 years later?
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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #755 on: April 07, 2021, 06:38:10 PM »
If SF are in power when neoliberalism collapses there won't be a United Ireland for the following 20 years.
SF are all ideology and SFA policy. They don't understand the global economy and where it's at.
If Government and the economy depended solely on political parties then we'd all be in the shit. SF in Government will be a different animal, and perhaps not really that different to FF/FG. If they get a chance in Government I would bet that they will not do anything that is likely to make them unelectable. In the North they will struggle given the weak leadership of O'Neill, their only hope is that the SDLP are in worse shape.

I think that this is correct. I don't believe that SF will be anywhere near as radical as some would suggest if they actually get into government. The only way this could happen would be if there were to lead a government with left wing socialists and the numbers just won't be there for such an outcome. So that means a coalition with most likely FF and/or Labour and I think we would see a drastically watered down version of left wing policies. Who knows, there may even be some form of split if FF deteriorates even further and some will defect to FG and some to SF.

Reality will bite for SF though once they get into government since they will be dealing with real life economics for the first time. It will be interesting to see their next election manifesto since it would be the first time that they will potentially be held to account on their policies since prior to now they were never going to have to stand over them.

There's definitely truth to that.

However the plus point for them is the decades of corruption and incompetence from FFG means it's a case that they don't have to do an awful lot of positive things to change a lot.

I'd expect SF to hit 50~ seats down south the next time. I expect FF to fall in line with them and probably the SD and Greens.

Forget about Labour, they are utterly finished.
Why is the standard of living in the 26 counties higher than that in the North?

Terms like "Free State" and assuming economic backwardness in the South are signs of 1950s Unionism.

Is it?

Why don't you ask the younger generation of under 40s why they are voting in their droves for SF.

I think you'll find it's very much an anti-FFG vote due to the crisis they have created in terms of home ownership, cost of living, an out of control rental market that effect the average worker hugely in that generation as vutlure funds, landlord and MNCs cream the riches.

The predominant outlook of dinosaurs like you, Rossfan and Louther is all over now. You can bitch and moan about the change that's coming down the line but you can't stop it now.
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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #756 on: April 14, 2021, 09:39:16 AM »
Interesting viewpoint from a unionist - interesting to me anywway, as someone who would have practically no interaction with unionists

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/what-is-unionism-without-the-union-the-question-has-us-spooked-1.4536486?mode=amp&__twitter_impression=true
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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #757 on: April 14, 2021, 10:54:36 AM »
Interesting viewpoint from a unionist - interesting to me anywway, as someone who would have practically no interaction with unionists

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/what-is-unionism-without-the-union-the-question-has-us-spooked-1.4536486?mode=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Interesting the mention of Sue Gray. She's married to a Portaferry man and knows plenty about Nationalist culture and identity as well.

Decent article in the round but the days of the unionist veto are gone and whilst I think those who align with the label "unionist" will never be happy in a UI in terms of the constitutional question but it has to work for them socially and economically as well as everyone else for that matter.