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Angelo

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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #690 on: April 02, 2021, 01:17:52 PM »
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/una-mullally-taoiseach-s-bland-nothings-on-united-ireland-fail-us-all-1.4522302

Good article on Micheal Martin's pathetic contribution to the United Ireland debate.
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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #691 on: April 02, 2021, 02:01:03 PM »
The two shades of blue stripey effect on the screen when you have big long multiple quotes would make a very nice wallpaper, especially for a Dub

Anybody know where I could get that pattern?

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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #692 on: April 02, 2021, 03:54:00 PM »
Angelo Una is a one trick pony like ML moaning all the time about Govt policy.Share a few Stephen Collins articles as he is the opposite.By the way you made no comment on my prominent SF supporter more important his benefits free car,free education,free health etc?.

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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #693 on: April 02, 2021, 09:02:59 PM »
Una is woke and the woke SF supporters will drop SF like a hot snot when they work out that you can't support SF and remain woke

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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #694 on: April 05, 2021, 12:38:00 PM »
Micheál Martin in particular has been busily advocating "the Seamus Mallon approach" to a border poll - an approach which is deeply anti-GFA. As the below column puts it, it is an approach which deliberately places an "impossible obstacle" in the way of Irish Unity being achieved.


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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #695 on: April 05, 2021, 01:39:25 PM »
Yep, expect more of the same as the calls for a border poll become stronger. But thems not the rules.
      Hypothetically if there was a united Ireland tomorrow what would be each Parties % representation in any Dail. Obviously there would probably be an amalgamation of parties. But as it stands now what would it be?

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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #696 on: April 05, 2021, 02:03:12 PM »
Yep, expect more of the same as the calls for a border poll become stronger. But thems not the rules.
      Hypothetically if there was a united Ireland tomorrow what would be each Parties % representation in any Dail. Obviously there would probably be an amalgamation of parties. But as it stands now what would it be?

This is a good article which breaks down roughly what you could expect. Note this is before last years election so SF would be higher based on more recent figures.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/01/26/what-would-a-32-county-dail-eireann-look-like/

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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #697 on: April 05, 2021, 02:33:42 PM »
Yep, expect more of the same as the calls for a border poll become stronger. But thems not the rules.
      Hypothetically if there was a united Ireland tomorrow what would be each Parties % representation in any Dail. Obviously there would probably be an amalgamation of parties. But as it stands now what would it be?

This is a good article which breaks down roughly what you could expect. Note this is before last years election so SF would be higher based on more recent figures.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/01/26/what-would-a-32-county-dail-eireann-look-like/

SF will be the political vehicle to get a United Ireland. Where they go from there will be anyone's guess. They will have their go at power soon down south, they are blessed on that front as they can hardly do worse than what FFG have presided over the past 15 years or so. There is going to be an assembly election either this year or next, there's a very strong chance SF will be the largest party after it. There could well be a general election sometime next year down south and I think it's inevitable that SF will be the largest party down south and likely to take the lead role in govt after that.

When or if that happens is when the wheels will be in motion for a border poll, there are plenty political factions on this island on both sides of the border opposed to that poll but I think the will is there with the people for it.

The article Snapchap posted perfectly displays the duplicity by Martin and FF. It's obvious to anyone who has a brain than they do not want reunification as it takes away their grip of power they are desperately trying to cling onto, the prospect of reform makes them quiver in their boots and anyone who buys the strawman arguments about respecting unionism really need to give themselves a shake.
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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #698 on: April 05, 2021, 03:02:13 PM »
If SF are in power when neoliberalism collapses there won't be a United Ireland for the following 20 years.
SF are all ideology and SFA policy. They don't understand the global economy and where it's at.
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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #699 on: April 05, 2021, 03:08:03 PM »
Yep, expect more of the same as the calls for a border poll become stronger. But thems not the rules.
      Hypothetically if there was a united Ireland tomorrow what would be each Parties % representation in any Dail. Obviously there would probably be an amalgamation of parties. But as it stands now what would it be?

This is a good article which breaks down roughly what you could expect. Note this is before last years election so SF would be higher based on more recent figures.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/01/26/what-would-a-32-county-dail-eireann-look-like/
The article is assuming the 6 will be incorporated into the 26?
Also when we have an All Ireland State Unionists/Ulster British or whatever they'll be called then will be a minority in the 6 Cos.
What exactly would SF have to offer if an AI State has been set up?
What kind of Parliament/Congress/Assembly will there be?
As for the next election in the 26... latest opinion polls would suggest
FG 48
SF  47
FF 18
We'd be looking at a 4 party Coalition :o
However a lot could happen in 3 and a half years.....
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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #700 on: April 05, 2021, 05:18:11 PM »
Yep, expect more of the same as the calls for a border poll become stronger. But thems not the rules.
      Hypothetically if there was a united Ireland tomorrow what would be each Parties % representation in any Dail. Obviously there would probably be an amalgamation of parties. But as it stands now what would it be?

This is a good article which breaks down roughly what you could expect. Note this is before last years election so SF would be higher based on more recent figures.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/01/26/what-would-a-32-county-dail-eireann-look-like/
The article is assuming the 6 will be incorporated into the 26?
Also when we have an All Ireland State Unionists/Ulster British or whatever they'll be called then will be a minority in the 6 Cos.
What exactly would SF have to offer if an AI State has been set up?
What kind of Parliament/Congress/Assembly will there be?
As for the next election in the 26... latest opinion polls would suggest
FG 48
SF  47
FF 18
We'd be looking at a 4 party Coalition :o
However a lot could happen in 3 and a half years.....

Not a hope either FG or FF have more than SF next time around.

Both FF and FG are toxic to most of the u50s. People want change and will vote for it.
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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #701 on: April 06, 2021, 06:55:27 AM »
Yep, expect more of the same as the calls for a border poll become stronger. But thems not the rules.
      Hypothetically if there was a united Ireland tomorrow what would be each Parties % representation in any Dail. Obviously there would probably be an amalgamation of parties. But as it stands now what would it be?

This is a good article which breaks down roughly what you could expect. Note this is before last years election so SF would be higher based on more recent figures.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/01/26/what-would-a-32-county-dail-eireann-look-like/
The article is assuming the 6 will be incorporated into the 26?
Also when we have an All Ireland State Unionists/Ulster British or whatever they'll be called then will be a minority in the 6 Cos.
What exactly would SF have to offer if an AI State has been set up?
What kind of Parliament/Congress/Assembly will there be?
As for the next election in the 26... latest opinion polls would suggest
FG 48
SF  47
FF 18
We'd be looking at a 4 party Coalition :o
However a lot could happen in 3 and a half years.....

Not a hope either FG or FF have more than SF next time around.

Both FF and FG are toxic to most of the u50s. People want change and will vote for it.

SF won't give them change.
You were probably watching Bob the Builder when Gilmore declared "it's Labour's way or Frankfurt's way"

SF want power and cars. They won't change the system.
Don't make me laugh

Neoliberalism betrays everyone. FF, Labour and SF.
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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #702 on: April 06, 2021, 07:33:44 AM »
SF want power and cars.
Of course they want power. What would be the point in a political party that didn't?

And as for cars, didn't most, if not all, SF's TDs recently sign their annual salary increase waivers, returning just short of €10k eack back to the state?

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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #703 on: April 06, 2021, 09:34:25 AM »
The Department of Finance won't change.
SF won't change anything.
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Re: HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IN A BORDER POLL?
« Reply #704 on: April 06, 2021, 10:03:44 AM »
SF want power and cars.
Of course they want power. What would be the point in a political party that didn't?

And as for cars, didn't most, if not all, SF's TDs recently sign their annual salary increase waivers, returning just short of €10k eack back to the state?

I think SF not taking their full salary is gimmicky. Our politicians have a difficult job and have important responsibility and influence . If they improve employment, homelessness, education , health , they’ve earned a decent salary in my opinion.