Northern nationalists versus ?

[seafoid]

Political structures collapse with economic systems.
100 years ago the Austrohungarian empire collapsed and the British Empire lost control of the 26 counties. We are due a similar moment as neoliberalism goes tits up.

[clonadmad]

You won't be wanting a United Ireland with us in the south then?

Fair enough

You see this is where the Free Staters need a reality check. It's not your state.

It's a new Ireland to replace the two rotten states that partition brought about.

You really hate the south don't you,

calling us all free staters

Telling us the Republic of Ireland is not our state

If your indiicative of what even a small percentage of northern "nationalism" feels about the south

We might as well never have even a discussion about a United Ireland

the state is a republic of Ireland, a bastardized one obviously but clearly not the Republic

thankfully the Irish public have more sense than this board who are overwhelmingly partitionist

thinking about money when it comes to national sovereignty 

Free State ?

Rotten State?

Now Bastardized state?

And yet you keep insulting us from the south

You are more partionist than anyone here pal

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Economic and infrastructure unification on the island will come before any official unification via a border poll.  In case some have not noticed, both economic and infrastructure alignment, north and south, are well under way.  Brexit will accelerate it further.

So when it comes to a vote on re-unification, it should be a no-brainer for the vast majority of people on the island.

Sid, any state where the vast majority of its citizens recognise it, where the international community recognises it, is not a 'bastardised' state.

I agree with most of this but there is a danger of underestimating 1 million Unionists

Many of those unionists have already copped on that the six county statelet is unsustainable - time and time again they are sold out by the british. English nationalists don't want to waste their money in Europe, nor do they want to see it continue wasted on the sic counties.

You would be surprised how many have already got their Irish passports. When re-unification is achieved, I look forward to being able to celebrate all cultures in our land, including Orangism.

Most definitely it is looking bleak for the union and unionists know that , there would need to be big protection for unionism within any new state, there will be undoubtedly a significant minority within unionism who won't go down without a violent fight.

[sid waddell]

Economic and infrastructure unification on the island will come before any official unification via a border poll.  In case some have not noticed, both economic and infrastructure alignment, north and south, are well under way.  Brexit will accelerate it further.

So when it comes to a vote on re-unification, it should be a no-brainer for the vast majority of people on the island.

Sid, any state where the vast majority of its citizens recognise it, where the international community recognises it, is not a 'bastardised' state.

I agree with most of this but there is a danger of underestimating 1 million Unionists

Many of those unionists have already copped on that the six county statelet is unsustainable - time and time again they are sold out by the british. English nationalists don't want to waste their money in Europe, nor do they want to see it continue wasted on the sic counties.

You would be surprised how many have already got their Irish passports. When re-unification is achieved, I look forward to being able to celebrate all cultures in our land, including Orangism.

There's nothing inherently unsustainable about the North

It has poor governance which is a situation which there is no automatic predestination about

In the same way we have rabble rousing rhetoric here about duty to fellow Irish people, ie. appeals to nationalism rooted in the idea of there being an inherent connection between people and soil, one should not think that Unionists will not think that way too

[imtommygunn]

The EU grants make it significantly more sustainable. Losing these will not be helpful at all.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Economic and infrastructure unification on the island will come before any official unification via a border poll.  In case some have not noticed, both economic and infrastructure alignment, north and south, are well under way.  Brexit will accelerate it further.

So when it comes to a vote on re-unification, it should be a no-brainer for the vast majority of people on the island.

Sid, any state where the vast majority of its citizens recognise it, where the international community recognises it, is not a 'bastardised' state.

I agree with most of this but there is a danger of underestimating 1 million Unionists

Many of those unionists have already copped on that the six county statelet is unsustainable - time and time again they are sold out by the british. English nationalists don't want to waste their money in Europe, nor do they want to see it continue wasted on the sic counties.

You would be surprised how many have already got their Irish passports. When re-unification is achieved, I look forward to being able to celebrate all cultures in our land, including Orangism.

There's nothing inherently unsustainable about the North

It has poor governance which is a situation which there is no automatic predestination about

In the same way we have rabble rousing rhetoric here about duty to fellow Irish people, ie. appeals to nationalism rooted in the idea of there being an inherent connection between people and soil, one should not think that Unionists will not think that way too

NI is a much poorer economy than ROI, we have virtually nothing outside public sector

[general_lee]

NI is inherently unsustainable. Politically, economically, socially. Sid you don't actually think NI is a successfully functioning entity, do you?

[Angelo]

You won't be wanting a United Ireland with us in the south then?

Fair enough

You see this is where the Free Staters need a reality check. It's not your state.

It's a new Ireland to replace the two rotten states that partition brought about.

You really hate the south don't you,

calling us all free staters

Telling us the Republic of Ireland is not our state

If your indiicative of what even a small percentage of northern "nationalism" feels about the south

We might as well never have even a discussion about a United Ireland

the state is a republic of Ireland, a bastardized one obviously but clearly not the Republic

thankfully the Irish public have more sense than this board who are overwhelmingly partitionist

thinking about money when it comes to national sovereignty 

Free State ?

Rotten State?

Now Bastardized state?

And yet you keep insulting us from the south

You are more partionist than anyone here pal

Partition is reality unfortunately and it created two rotten states, one created along sectarian lines to keep one side of the community down, the other with a motive to create an elite ruling class who purged all assets and resources to enrich themselves and aligned private interests. The Free State's record on the Troubles and the blind eye it turned to the atrocities carried out by the British state in the O6 is abhorrent and it should be a great cause of shame for any citizen from the Free State with how they abandoned their northern brethern.

That seems to be an uncomfortable truth for guys like you, Ross and Sid and all the airbrushing in the world can't turn back the hands of time.

[Orior]

Economic and infrastructure unification on the island will come before any official unification via a border poll.  In case some have not noticed, both economic and infrastructure alignment, north and south, are well under way.  Brexit will accelerate it further.

So when it comes to a vote on re-unification, it should be a no-brainer for the vast majority of people on the island.

Sid, any state where the vast majority of its citizens recognise it, where the international community recognises it, is not a 'bastardised' state.

I agree with most of this but there is a danger of underestimating 1 million Unionists

Many of those unionists have already copped on that the six county statelet is unsustainable - time and time again they are sold out by the british. English nationalists don't want to waste their money in Europe, nor do they want to see it continue wasted on the sic counties.

You would be surprised how many have already got their Irish passports. When re-unification is achieved, I look forward to being able to celebrate all cultures in our land, including Orangism.

There's nothing inherently unsustainable about the North

It has poor governance which is a situation which there is no automatic predestination about

In the same way we have rabble rousing rhetoric here about duty to fellow Irish people, ie. appeals to nationalism rooted in the idea of there being an inherent connection between people and soil, one should not think that Unionists will not think that way too

- Some unionists will welcome a united Ireland.
- Some unionists will re-locate to the motherland.
- Some unionists will fight.
- Some unionists are currently indifferent to a united Ireland.

What are the southern political parties doing to win over the latter group?

[Orior]

To those using the term "rotten state"

Are you aware that in the 1920's liberal unionists tagged "rotten protestants"?

[bennydorano]

Political structures collapse with economic systems.
100 years ago the Austrohungarian empire collapsed and the British Empire lost control of the 26 counties. We are due a similar moment as neoliberalism goes tits up.

Sure the EU is a grand Neoliberal experiment?

[clonadmad]

You won't be wanting a United Ireland with us in the south then?

Fair enough

You see this is where the Free Staters need a reality check. It's not your state.

It's a new Ireland to replace the two rotten states that partition brought about.

You really hate the south don't you,

calling us all free staters

Telling us the Republic of Ireland is not our state

If your indiicative of what even a small percentage of northern "nationalism" feels about the south

We might as well never have even a discussion about a United Ireland

the state is a republic of Ireland, a bastardized one obviously but clearly not the Republic

thankfully the Irish public have more sense than this board who are overwhelmingly partitionist

thinking about money when it comes to national sovereignty 

Free State ?

Rotten State?

Now Bastardized state?

And yet you keep insulting us from the south

You are more partionist than anyone here pal

Partition is reality unfortunately and it created two rotten states, one created along sectarian lines to keep one side of the community down, the other with a motive to create an elite ruling class who purged all assets and resources to enrich themselves and aligned private interests. The Free State's record on the Troubles and the blind eye it turned to the atrocities carried out in the O6 is abhorrent and it should be a great cause of shame for any citizen from the Free State with how they abandoned their northern brethern.

That seems to be an uncomfortable truth for guys like you, Ross and Sid and all the airbrushing in the world can't turn back the hands of time.

Keep going son

You are doing a great job of convincing me not to vote for a United Ireland

It's fairy obvious you don't want one either

[marty34]

You won't be wanting a United Ireland with us in the south then?

Fair enough

You see this is where the Free Staters need a reality check. It's not your state.

It's a new Ireland to replace the two rotten states that partition brought about.

You really hate the south don't you,

calling us all free staters

Telling us the Republic of Ireland is not our state

If your indiicative of what even a small percentage of northern "nationalism" feels about the south

We might as well never have even a discussion about a United Ireland

the state is a republic of Ireland, a bastardized one obviously but clearly not the Republic

thankfully the Irish public have more sense than this board who are overwhelmingly partitionist

thinking about money when it comes to national sovereignty 

Free State ?

Rotten State?

Now Bastardized state?

And yet you keep insulting us from the south

You are more partionist than anyone here pal

Partition is reality unfortunately and it created two rotten states, one created along sectarian lines to keep one side of the community down, the other with a motive to create an elite ruling class who purged all assets and resources to enrich themselves and aligned private interests. The Free State's record on the Troubles and the blind eye it turned to the atrocities carried out in the O6 is abhorrent and it should be a great cause of shame for any citizen from the Free State with how they abandoned their northern brethern.

That seems to be an uncomfortable truth for guys like you, Ross and Sid and all the airbrushing in the world can't turn back the hands of time.

Keep going son

You are doing a great job of convincing me not to vote for a United Ireland

It's fairy obvious you don't want one either

FFS - I'd say lads like you and the others mentioned would have no intention of voting for a re-united Ireland.

This fake Trumpism of "you're doing a great job of convincing me NOT to..."  FFS.

[clonadmad]

You won't be wanting a United Ireland with us in the south then?

Fair enough

You see this is where the Free Staters need a reality check. It's not your state.

It's a new Ireland to replace the two rotten states that partition brought about.

You really hate the south don't you,

calling us all free staters

Telling us the Republic of Ireland is not our state

If your indiicative of what even a small percentage of northern "nationalism" feels about the south

We might as well never have even a discussion about a United Ireland

the state is a republic of Ireland, a bastardized one obviously but clearly not the Republic

thankfully the Irish public have more sense than this board who are overwhelmingly partitionist

thinking about money when it comes to national sovereignty 

Free State ?

Rotten State?

Now Bastardized state?

And yet you keep insulting us from the south

You are more partionist than anyone here pal

Partition is reality unfortunately and it created two rotten states, one created along sectarian lines to keep one side of the community down, the other with a motive to create an elite ruling class who purged all assets and resources to enrich themselves and aligned private interests. The Free State's record on the Troubles and the blind eye it turned to the atrocities carried out in the O6 is abhorrent and it should be a great cause of shame for any citizen from the Free State with how they abandoned their northern brethern.

That seems to be an uncomfortable truth for guys like you, Ross and Sid and all the airbrushing in the world can't turn back the hands of time.

Keep going son

You are doing a great job of convincing me not to vote for a United Ireland

It's fairy obvious you don't want one either

FFS - I'd say lads like you and the others mentioned would have no intention of voting for a re-united Ireland.

This fake Trumpism of "you're doing a great job of convincing me NOT to..."  FFS.

I don't have to show my Republican credentials to you or anyone else

Nordies whinging about being left behind by the big bad south.

It's a pity we couldn't get men up to ye in 1919/20 to drive the Brits out seeing as ye weren't men enough to do it yereselves

[Angelo]

I don't have to show my Republican credentials to you or anyone else

Nordies whinging about being left behind by the big bad south.

It's a pity we couldn't get men up to ye in 1919/20 to drive the Brits out seeing as ye weren't men enough to do it yereselves

The Free Stater shows his true colours.

Did you march with O'Duffy?