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Re: USFC 2020 Semi-Final Armagh v Donegal
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2020, 12:52:08 PM »
It is still weird to me to see Armagh labelled as underdogs against us! :)

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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2020, 01:50:31 PM »
It is still weird to me to see Armagh labelled as underdogs against us! :)

Ha...funny i was discussing that this morning with my old Tyronie friend here in work saying the beatings we gave Donegal in the noughties was unreal then after 2008-2009 era you boys took over and gave us a few handy beatings...Hopefully the tables will turn again back in our favour
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Re: USFC 2020 Semi-Final Armagh v Donegal
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2020, 04:46:06 PM »
Armagh will probably need to pull out their best championship result in 15 years to beat Donegal. That's the magnitude of the task facing them. Their scoring power gives them a puncher's chance, but if Donegal are properly focussed they'll ease home.

Armagh just give away too many cheap scores to reliably challenge the top teams. And they especially give away frees. Averaging almost 9 points conceded from frees in their three matches since football resumed - and that was against division 2 and 3 opposition. This has been a very long standing problem and will not be adequately resolved before Saturday week.

If they are to upset the odds Armagh will probably need to score a couple of goals; they'll need to keep Donegal out at the other end; they'll need Donegal's free takers to fall apart on the day; and they'll need their discipline to be immaculate - no cheap, petulant cards for Jamie Clarke or Rian O'Neill. One or two of those things might happen, but it's difficult to see them all coming together.

Six years I'd reckon https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2014/0713/630477-tyrone-v-armagh/
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Re: USFC 2020 Semi-Final Armagh v Donegal
« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2020, 06:21:44 PM »
Armagh will probably need to pull out their best championship result in 15 years to beat Donegal. That's the magnitude of the task facing them. Their scoring power gives them a puncher's chance, but if Donegal are properly focussed they'll ease home.

Armagh just give away too many cheap scores to reliably challenge the top teams. And they especially give away frees. Averaging almost 9 points conceded from frees in their three matches since football resumed - and that was against division 2 and 3 opposition. This has been a very long standing problem and will not be adequately resolved before Saturday week.

If they are to upset the odds Armagh will probably need to score a couple of goals; they'll need to keep Donegal out at the other end; they'll need Donegal's free takers to fall apart on the day; and they'll need their discipline to be immaculate - no cheap, petulant cards for Jamie Clarke or Rian O'Neill. One or two of those things might happen, but it's difficult to see them all coming together.

Six years I'd reckon https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2014/0713/630477-tyrone-v-armagh/

Tyrone were a bit of a rabble in 2014.

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« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2020, 08:38:01 PM »
Armagh will probably need to pull out their best championship result in 15 years to beat Donegal. That's the magnitude of the task facing them. Their scoring power gives them a puncher's chance, but if Donegal are properly focussed they'll ease home.

Armagh just give away too many cheap scores to reliably challenge the top teams. And they especially give away frees. Averaging almost 9 points conceded from frees in their three matches since football resumed - and that was against division 2 and 3 opposition. This has been a very long standing problem and will not be adequately resolved before Saturday week.

If they are to upset the odds Armagh will probably need to score a couple of goals; they'll need to keep Donegal out at the other end; they'll need Donegal's free takers to fall apart on the day; and they'll need their discipline to be immaculate - no cheap, petulant cards for Jamie Clarke or Rian O'Neill. One or two of those things might happen, but it's difficult to see them all coming together.

Six years I'd reckon https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2014/0713/630477-tyrone-v-armagh/

Tyrone were a bit of a rabble in 2014.
Tyrone are a bit of a rabble right now.

 Tyrone weren't lucky to avoid relegation to Division 2 in 2014.
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Re: USFC 2020 Semi-Final Armagh v Donegal
« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2020, 09:32:00 PM »
Armagh will probably need to pull out their best championship result in 15 years to beat Donegal. That's the magnitude of the task facing them. Their scoring power gives them a puncher's chance, but if Donegal are properly focussed they'll ease home.

Armagh just give away too many cheap scores to reliably challenge the top teams. And they especially give away frees. Averaging almost 9 points conceded from frees in their three matches since football resumed - and that was against division 2 and 3 opposition. This has been a very long standing problem and will not be adequately resolved before Saturday week.

If they are to upset the odds Armagh will probably need to score a couple of goals; they'll need to keep Donegal out at the other end; they'll need Donegal's free takers to fall apart on the day; and they'll need their discipline to be immaculate - no cheap, petulant cards for Jamie Clarke or Rian O'Neill. One or two of those things might happen, but it's difficult to see them all coming together.

Six years I'd reckon https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2014/0713/630477-tyrone-v-armagh/

Tyrone were a bit of a rabble in 2014.
Tyrone are a bit of a rabble right now.

 Tyrone weren't lucky to avoid relegation to Division 2 in 2014.

But they were relegated a lock of months after that fixture - Angelo is right (!), the 18 months or so around that fixture was as bad as Tyrone have been in the last twenty years.

Donegal are clearly much closer to the top this year than Tyrone were in 2014. There's also the fact that this game is a provincial semi-final, while the 2014 game was just a round 2 qualifier.

There's absolutely no doubt that a win for Armagh on Saturday week would be their most significant since the Ulster final replay of 2005. It would be the first time since then that they have beaten a genuine big gun.

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« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2020, 10:04:57 PM »
Armagh will probably need to pull out their best championship result in 15 years to beat Donegal. That's the magnitude of the task facing them. Their scoring power gives them a puncher's chance, but if Donegal are properly focussed they'll ease home.

Armagh just give away too many cheap scores to reliably challenge the top teams. And they especially give away frees. Averaging almost 9 points conceded from frees in their three matches since football resumed - and that was against division 2 and 3 opposition. This has been a very long standing problem and will not be adequately resolved before Saturday week.

If they are to upset the odds Armagh will probably need to score a couple of goals; they'll need to keep Donegal out at the other end; they'll need Donegal's free takers to fall apart on the day; and they'll need their discipline to be immaculate - no cheap, petulant cards for Jamie Clarke or Rian O'Neill. One or two of those things might happen, but it's difficult to see them all coming together.

Six years I'd reckon https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2014/0713/630477-tyrone-v-armagh/

Tyrone were a bit of a rabble in 2014.
Tyrone are a bit of a rabble right now.

 Tyrone weren't lucky to avoid relegation to Division 2 in 2014.

But they were relegated a lock of months after that fixture - Angelo is right (!), the 18 months or so around that fixture was as bad as Tyrone have been in the last twenty years.

Donegal are clearly much closer to the top this year than Tyrone were in 2014. There's also the fact that this game is a provincial semi-final, while the 2014 game was just a round 2 qualifier.

There's absolutely no doubt that a win for Armagh on Saturday week would be their most significant since the Ulster final replay of 2005. It would be the first time since then that they have beaten a genuine big gun.
2013 and 2015 Tyrone was All Ireland semi finalists. If Donegal go on to win this Ulster title it will be their first All-Ireland semi final since 2014.

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Re: USFC 2020 Semi-Final Armagh v Donegal
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2020, 10:07:54 PM »
It is still weird to me to see Armagh labelled as underdogs against us! :)

For a long time Donegal underperformed against Armagh, except perhaps for the high ball leading to the goal in 2007. When we beat you well in 2010 in Cross' you had many of the personnel that won Sam two years later.
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« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2020, 10:21:06 PM »
It is still weird to me to see Armagh labelled as underdogs against us! :)

For a long time Donegal underperformed against Armagh, except perhaps for the high ball leading to the goal in 2007. When we beat you well in 2010 in Cross' you had many of the personnel that won Sam two years later.

2007 was a weird game. You kept us at arms length for quite a while, but never put us away, and then got sucker punched right at the end.

And we proceeded to lose the run of ourselves after finally beating you, on top of winning the league, and promptly got hammered by Tyrone.

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Re: USFC 2020 Semi-Final Armagh v Donegal
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2020, 12:20:33 AM »
Armagh just donít have the ponies to control the Donegal attack. We do have enough up front to hurt them but We need to defend from the front and keep the ball in their half for most of the game to stand a chance.

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Re: USFC 2020 Semi-Final Armagh v Donegal
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2020, 12:54:46 PM »
Armagh are the great pretenders under McGeeney. They show some promise but then just as expectation starts to build they let themselves down a bag full. Their performance against half a Rosscommon team was case in point.

I'd love to see them beating Donegal but there isn't a cats chance in hell of it.

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« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2020, 03:04:37 PM »
I still think Armagh are far from the finished article. Defensively we are lacking. I donít mind giving away fouls (in principle) given the time of year and the conditions that come with it. Itís inevitable. Itís the silly, unnecessary, dopey and cynical fouls that really need worked on.

Attacking wise decent enough. A few men have really stepped up to the plate and so far canít really ask much more of the forwards. Id like to see murnin thrown in at ff if in away fit as he can cause havoc close to goal.

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Re: USFC 2020 Semi-Final Armagh v Donegal
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2020, 03:17:21 PM »
Armagh will probably need to pull out their best championship result in 15 years to beat Donegal. That's the magnitude of the task facing them. Their scoring power gives them a puncher's chance, but if Donegal are properly focussed they'll ease home.

Armagh just give away too many cheap scores to reliably challenge the top teams. And they especially give away frees. Averaging almost 9 points conceded from frees in their three matches since football resumed - and that was against division 2 and 3 opposition. This has been a very long standing problem and will not be adequately resolved before Saturday week.

If they are to upset the odds Armagh will probably need to score a couple of goals; they'll need to keep Donegal out at the other end; they'll need Donegal's free takers to fall apart on the day; and they'll need their discipline to be immaculate - no cheap, petulant cards for Jamie Clarke or Rian O'Neill. One or two of those things might happen, but it's difficult to see them all coming together.

Six years I'd reckon https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2014/0713/630477-tyrone-v-armagh/

Tyrone were a bit of a rabble in 2014.
Tyrone are a bit of a rabble right now.

 Tyrone weren't lucky to avoid relegation to Division 2 in 2014.

Are they?

I can remember the league game down in Killarney and Tralee in 2014 where JOD scored a hat trick. Tierney was left on him all game wide open and we were destroyed.

We came back next year with an ultra defensive strategy and started to make huge progress again, we made an AI SF in 2015 and probably should have beaten Kerry, we then won the next two Ulsters the following year.

We're in a much better state right now than 2014, we probably should have beaten Donegal at the weekend, we had more than enough chances to.

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« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2020, 03:41:37 PM »
Armagh will probably need to pull out their best championship result in 15 years to beat Donegal. That's the magnitude of the task facing them. Their scoring power gives them a puncher's chance, but if Donegal are properly focussed they'll ease home.

Armagh just give away too many cheap scores to reliably challenge the top teams. And they especially give away frees. Averaging almost 9 points conceded from frees in their three matches since football resumed - and that was against division 2 and 3 opposition. This has been a very long standing problem and will not be adequately resolved before Saturday week.

If they are to upset the odds Armagh will probably need to score a couple of goals; they'll need to keep Donegal out at the other end; they'll need Donegal's free takers to fall apart on the day; and they'll need their discipline to be immaculate - no cheap, petulant cards for Jamie Clarke or Rian O'Neill. One or two of those things might happen, but it's difficult to see them all coming together.

Six years I'd reckon https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2014/0713/630477-tyrone-v-armagh/

Tyrone were a bit of a rabble in 2014.
Tyrone are a bit of a rabble right now.

 Tyrone weren't lucky to avoid relegation to Division 2 in 2014.

Are they?

I can remember the league game down in Killarney and Tralee in 2014 where JOD scored a hat trick. Tierney was left on him all game wide open and we were destroyed.

We came back next year with an ultra defensive strategy and started to make huge progress again, we made an AI SF in 2015 and probably should have beaten Kerry, we then won the next two Ulsters the following year.

We're in a much better state right now than 2014, we probably should have beaten Donegal at the weekend, we had more than enough chances to.
Yes they are and if talking about an individual league game then Tyrone had none worse than this year against Galway where they lost by 19 points and conceded 2-25.

Last Sunday in a game Donegal gifted a goal to Tyrone fully deserved their win on Sunday, on a better day weather wise would have won by a bit more to spare.

Plenty of soul searching for Tyrone over these winter months. Will Mickey stay or go? You'll need to come back next year with an ultra defensive strategy again as they way you lot defended this year was no better than Armagh.

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Re: USFC 2020 Semi-Final Armagh v Donegal
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2020, 04:06:57 PM »
Armagh will probably need to pull out their best championship result in 15 years to beat Donegal. That's the magnitude of the task facing them. Their scoring power gives them a puncher's chance, but if Donegal are properly focussed they'll ease home.

Armagh just give away too many cheap scores to reliably challenge the top teams. And they especially give away frees. Averaging almost 9 points conceded from frees in their three matches since football resumed - and that was against division 2 and 3 opposition. This has been a very long standing problem and will not be adequately resolved before Saturday week.

If they are to upset the odds Armagh will probably need to score a couple of goals; they'll need to keep Donegal out at the other end; they'll need Donegal's free takers to fall apart on the day; and they'll need their discipline to be immaculate - no cheap, petulant cards for Jamie Clarke or Rian O'Neill. One or two of those things might happen, but it's difficult to see them all coming together.

Six years I'd reckon https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2014/0713/630477-tyrone-v-armagh/

Tyrone were a bit of a rabble in 2014.
Tyrone are a bit of a rabble right now.

 Tyrone weren't lucky to avoid relegation to Division 2 in 2014.

Are they?

I can remember the league game down in Killarney and Tralee in 2014 where JOD scored a hat trick. Tierney was left on him all game wide open and we were destroyed.

We came back next year with an ultra defensive strategy and started to make huge progress again, we made an AI SF in 2015 and probably should have beaten Kerry, we then won the next two Ulsters the following year.

We're in a much better state right now than 2014, we probably should have beaten Donegal at the weekend, we had more than enough chances to.
Yes they are and if talking about an individual league game then Tyrone had none worse than this year against Galway where they lost by 19 points and conceded 2-25.

Last Sunday in a game Donegal gifted a goal to Tyrone fully deserved their win on Sunday, on a better day weather wise would have won by a bit more to spare.

Plenty of soul searching for Tyrone over these winter months. Will Mickey stay or go? You'll need to come back next year with an ultra defensive strategy again as they way you lot defended this year was no better than Armagh.

Galway is completely different. We were done to 13 men, the game was a close affair until McGeary got a ridiculous red card in the first half, we had McShane break his ankle at the start of the second, Burns follow with another red card in the second half too.

It was just one of those days. There's no way the Tyrone team of 2014 would have been able to put it up to Donegal like we did last weekend. Tyrone probably should have won that game last week minus last year's top scorer and a number of other key players.

In 2014 we were a team without an identity - Gormley, O'Neill, Penrose all packed it in after that. Guys like Mark Donnelly, Ciaran McGinley, Ryan McKenna, Emmett McKenna, PJ Quinn never played another game for Tyrone again. The squad was completely turned upside down in terms of both personnel and identity after the defeat to Armagh in 2014.