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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2020, 01:22:54 PM »
Kerry's defeat yesterday in Munster really opens up one side of the draw at least and it shows the cruel beauty of knock-out football. Just think if there had been a backdoor, this morning everyone would still have been tipping Kerry to make it to an AIF.   OK, it might not make for a competitive AIF in the Dubs get through, but I think it reinforces a lot of the points that were previously made on this thread.

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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2020, 01:39:18 PM »
Kerry's defeat yesterday in Munster really opens up one side of the draw at least and it shows the cruel beauty of knock-out football. Just think if there had been a backdoor, this morning everyone would still have been tipping Kerry to make it to an AIF.   OK, it might not make for a competitive AIF in the Dubs get through, but I think it reinforces a lot of the points that were previously made on this thread.

Cork are always something of a threat to Kerry. Back in the day when Meath or even Kildare were a real threat to Dublin then knockout could be interesting, but now shocks in Munster, Ulster or Connacht merely make it even easier for Dublin.
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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2020, 01:46:05 PM »
if a team like cork gets to all ireland final and gets hammered by dublin its still a good tournament the championship is not just abut final.

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« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2020, 02:00:08 PM »
Kerry's defeat yesterday in Munster really opens up one side of the draw at least and it shows the cruel beauty of knock-out football. Just think if there had been a backdoor, this morning everyone would still have been tipping Kerry to make it to an AIF.   OK, it might not make for a competitive AIF in the Dubs get through, but I think it reinforces a lot of the points that were previously made on this thread.

Cork are always something of a threat to Kerry. Back in the day when Meath or even Kildare were a real threat to Dublin then knockout could be interesting, but now shocks in Munster, Ulster or Connacht merely make it even easier for Dublin.
That's true, but sometimes an underdog winning can give more belief to other underdogs

Cork believed they could beat Kerry, even though logic suggested otherwise. At the moment I think the only two teams left in it who would believe they have a chance of beating Dublin are Mayo and Donegal. The rest would likely be beaten before throw-in. But maybe Cork's win might change that.

Both Meath and Kildare (and maybe even Laois) would fully believe they could beat Cork in a championship match. So seeing what a perceived lesser team did may give them some extra hope or confidence.

They would need Dublin to have an offday. While internet critics slag off Dublin for saying "We're going to face a real challenge v Laois and will have to be at the top of our game", the performances have tended to suggest they do actually bring that attitude to the pitch and they have very few offdays. But it's not impossible. Especially if weather conditions aren't great.
   

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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2020, 05:10:24 PM »
if a team like cork gets to all ireland final and gets hammered by dublin its still a good tournament the championship is not just abut final.
So the oul Final isn't important? ::)
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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2020, 07:59:27 PM »
Knockout with the provincials makes the provincials more important and more buzz about them  with the backdoor provincials are not as important.

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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2020, 08:00:28 PM »
if a team like cork gets to all ireland final and gets hammered by dublin its still a good tournament the championship is not just abut final.
So the oul Final isn't important? ::)

yeah it is but you win the all ireland by winning many battles not just the final

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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2020, 08:12:32 PM »
i always thought the provincial champions should have got home advantage in the quarter finals in the format before the super 8s

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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2020, 08:13:17 PM »
it would have been an extra reward for winning a province

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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2020, 08:30:31 PM »
Kerry's defeat yesterday in Munster really opens up one side of the draw at least and it shows the cruel beauty of knock-out football. Just think if there had been a backdoor, this morning everyone would still have been tipping Kerry to make it to an AIF.   OK, it might not make for a competitive AIF in the Dubs get through, but I think it reinforces a lot of the points that were previously made on this thread.

Cork are always something of a threat to Kerry. Back in the day when Meath or even Kildare were a real threat to Dublin then knockout could be interesting, but now shocks in Munster, Ulster or Connacht merely make it even easier for Dublin.
Cork have a very poor record in all Ireland finals. Second only to Mayo I think
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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2021, 06:50:04 PM »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0130/1194056-graham-county-managers-open-to-championship-change/


Graham took part in a virtual meeting with his inter-county counterparts midweek to discuss the two options that will go to Congress - a league based All-Ireland series with a pre-season provincial championship or a re-drawn provincial championship structure with four groups of eight teams and the Allianz League format remaining the same.

If neither option gets 60% of the vote, the structure will revert to that of this year (provincial championships plus qualifiers) or 2018-19 (super 8s instead of quarter-finals)

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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2021, 07:23:54 PM »
Seems the Managers favour the League proposal while Provincial officialdom favour the 4 eights.
The latter boyos are fairly influential in the corridors of power.
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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2021, 08:25:27 AM »
Seems the Managers favour the League proposal while Provincial officialdom favour the 4 eights.
The latter boyos are fairly influential in the corridors of power.
It doesn't matter what system is chosen. The Dubs will win everything. They put so much work into their training. The idea that money could have anything to do it comes from people who don't understand.
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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2021, 10:35:41 AM »

It doesn't matter what system is chosen. The Dubs will win everything. They put so much work into their training. The idea that money could have anything to do it comes from people who don't understand.

No matter how good they get, the Dubs can't win the Ulster, Connacht & Munster championships. Yet many people want to scrap these competitions. Their logic escapes me.

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Re: Back to the Future - Straight knockout the way forward
« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2021, 11:27:21 AM »

It doesn't matter what system is chosen. The Dubs will win everything. They put so much work into their training. The idea that money could have anything to do it comes from people who don't understand.

No matter how good they get, the Dubs can't win the Ulster, Connacht & Munster championships. Yet many people want to scrap these competitions. Their logic escapes me.

Totally agree. It would be absolute madness getting rid of provincials. They should be retained but AI progress can also be linked to league position. This would make league matches in home venues much higher profile