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caprea

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Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« Reply #300 on: November 23, 2020, 02:45:07 AM »
The problem with splitting Dublin is where do they play. There are two football stadiums in Dublin. Parnell and croker. Both in the north city.

You can’t build an identity if a south Dublin team doesn’t have a stadium. Doesn’t work. A new stadium would have to be built.

As for amalgamated team won’t work because they didn’t work in wales. Well that’s a load of waffle. It’s a different sport in a different country. Straw clutching.
It would be even more difficult than in Welsh rugby to amalgamate counties in GAA, for the simple fact that in Ireland people have an identity formed not just by a club or a team that has been around for 130 years, but by actual counties which have been around for hundreds of years

A Cavan idenitity is as important to Cavan people as an Irish identity and the Cavan football team is the embodiment of that identity

When that identity is destroyed or heavily diluted, people just won't care anymore

That's what happened in Welsh rugby, even in Irish rugby there is a lot of hostility towards the provinces from some club people

Rugby League in England tried amalgamations of clubs back in the 1990s, it bombed - Castleford and Wakefield refused to lose their identities, there was no way Widnes and Warrington would play together

A Team Ulster in hurling was once mooted to compete in the All-Ireland hurling championship

Ulster does have an identity, it has by far the strongest collective identity of any of the provinces, and the idea appeared to make some sporting sense, but the idea was dismissed out of hand because even in hurling, the counties and players were very hostile to the idea of losing their county teams, even if in hurling, most Ulster teams were competing at a very low level

If a hurling Team Ulster was dismissed, then the BMW Bandits (incorporating Roscommmon, Leitrim, Longford and Westmeath) in football is sure as hell going to be dismissed

This kind of stuff might fly in the AFL or NRL (and even there the merger practice is despised, ask fans of Fitzroy or Balmain Tigers) but on this side of the world it's anathema

And merging small junior clubs is not in any way comparable to merging counties

Why do you think people are extremely choosy about identifying with a region team in the GAA or rugby league in England or rugby in Wales while Irish people can support Liverpool, man utd, Chelsea rabidly while having no connection to the areas of those clubs?

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« Reply #301 on: November 23, 2020, 06:51:11 AM »
Where is HQ throwing money at Meath Co Board to stop them all turning to soccer and rugby?



Have Meath had any plans or strategy papers rejected or not supported? Has any county?

You remind me of the soccer heads whinging about the Grab Alls while doing hee haw themselves.

Fermanagh had a plan rejected I believe. Oh that's right...the script writers should have "tried harder". ::)
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« Reply #302 on: November 23, 2020, 07:00:33 AM »
Splits and amalgamations , not a hope would supporters of county football take to that , just get the wealth spread evenly,  cap spending .
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« Reply #303 on: November 23, 2020, 07:09:00 AM »
was the backdoor introduced to give smaller teams a 2nd game or a chance to give the big boys chance incase they slipped up.

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« Reply #304 on: November 23, 2020, 07:14:13 AM »
The Dubs are on their third team
 They can do this indefinitely.
But nobody will watch it.
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« Reply #305 on: November 23, 2020, 09:19:01 AM »
was the backdoor introduced to give smaller teams a 2nd game or a chance to give the big boys chance incase they slipped up.

Let’s not kid ourselves. It was introduced to bring in more revenue for the GAA

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« Reply #306 on: November 23, 2020, 09:52:46 AM »
Splits and amalgamations , not a hope would supporters of county football take to that , just get the wealth spread evenly,  cap spending .

Would make very little difference. The reason Dublin are all powerful is mainly down to population. Spending money in schools or clubs to hire GPOs to teach kids the basics of the game wouldn’t have the massive affect that we are seeing.

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« Reply #307 on: November 23, 2020, 10:18:37 AM »
Splits and amalgamations , not a hope would supporters of county football take to that , just get the wealth spread evenly,  cap spending .

Would make very little difference. The reason Dublin are all powerful is mainly down to population. Spending money in schools or clubs to hire GPOs to teach kids the basics of the game wouldn’t have the massive affect that we are seeing.
It's population potential leveraged by money.
Population imbalances also exist in the 6 nations but England doesn't get all the TV money.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/1081313/Six-Nations-prize-money-full-breakdown-revealed
Guaranteed money pot before prize money is included is as follows:

Italy: £15.6m
Wales £15.6m
Scotland £15.6m
Ireland £15.6m
France £18.5m
England £19m


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« Reply #308 on: November 23, 2020, 10:18:44 AM »
Splits and amalgamations , not a hope would supporters of county football take to that , just get the wealth spread evenly,  cap spending .

Would make very little difference. The reason Dublin are all powerful is mainly down to population. Spending money in schools or clubs to hire GPOs to teach kids the basics of the game wouldn’t have the massive affect that we are seeing.

The bigger population didn't make them dominant pre-2011. Cork are the next biggest population and they don't dominate at either code.
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« Reply #309 on: November 23, 2020, 10:23:35 AM »
Do any Dubs here object to moving the game out of their home ground? Surely Newry or Armagh is the fairest option?

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« Reply #310 on: November 23, 2020, 10:58:54 AM »
No,take it to  malin  if they want
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« Reply #311 on: November 23, 2020, 11:00:03 AM »
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1121/1179682-whelan-rest-of-leinster-is-psychologically-smashed/

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« Reply #312 on: November 23, 2020, 11:12:51 AM »
Do any Dubs here object to moving the game out of their home ground? Surely Newry or Armagh is the fairest option?

None whatsoever. I personally love going on the road when given a chance

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« Reply #313 on: November 23, 2020, 11:14:02 AM »
Where is HQ throwing money at Meath Co Board to stop them all turning to soccer and rugby?



Have Meath had any plans or strategy papers rejected or not supported? Has any county?

You remind me of the soccer heads whinging about the Grab Alls while doing hee haw themselves.

Fermanagh had a plan rejected I believe. Oh that's right...the script writers should have "tried harder". ::)

I have heard this but nobody has ever linked to anything about it.

But the lack of a second plan taking the rejection on board would prove my point.

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« Reply #314 on: November 23, 2020, 11:19:20 AM »
Splits and amalgamations , not a hope would supporters of county football take to that , just get the wealth spread evenly,  cap spending .

Would make very little difference. The reason Dublin are all powerful is mainly down to population. Spending money in schools or clubs to hire GPOs to teach kids the basics of the game wouldn’t have the massive affect that we are seeing.

The bigger population didn't make them dominant pre-2011. Cork are the next biggest population and they don't dominate at either code.

Well it made them the second most successful county when GAA wasn’t sexy in Dublin. Now GAA is the biggest show in town when it comes to pulling crowds so comparing things now to comparing things to decades ago is very flawed.
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