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Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« Reply #240 on: November 22, 2020, 12:46:04 PM »
Donegal are fairly being talked up. What are we basing this on?

We are basing it on Kerry being out of the championship.

On Mayo being Mayo.

On Cork being a 3rd division team.

On Tipp and Cavan being still in the championship by default.

There is no one else to talk up!  :-\
I agree with that. Talk up the 2nd best team still left in the championship to make it sound more exciting. It doesnít matter if they are a fair bit behind Dublin.

And if you look closely you'll see that no one is actually saying Donegal would beat Dublin.

MIGHT get within five or six points, maybe.

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Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« Reply #241 on: November 22, 2020, 12:59:47 PM »
Where would this Meath team Rank in Ireland? Would they be in the top 16? The top 10?

Top 10. Played in Div 1 this year and reached the last 8 of the championship last year.
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Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« Reply #242 on: November 22, 2020, 01:05:16 PM »
Donegal are fairly being talked up. What are we basing this on?

We are basing it on Kerry being out of the championship.

On Mayo being Mayo.

On Cork being a 3rd division team.

On Tipp and Cavan being still in the championship by default.

There is no one else to talk up!  :-\
I agree with that. Talk up the 2nd best team still left in the championship to make it sound more exciting. It doesnít matter if they are a fair bit behind Dublin.
Well, have a look at the last 5 All ireland finals, were the 2nd best teams that far behind in the final game?

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« Reply #243 on: November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM »
would Dublin beat an all ulster team.
Would this Dublin team easily beat the Tyrone team with Canavan, Stephen OíNeill, Dooher, McGuigan, Mulligan? That team had a great defence too.

Iím not putting down Tyrone because over the last 5-6 years theyíve been in and around the best team in Ulster, but they would hardly get within 5 or 6 points of that other Tyrone team. 

Leinster is boring. Thereís nobody putting it up to us.  Cakewalk. Part of it is certainly because this is the best Dublin team ever. But also part of it is because the current Meath and Kildare teams are nowhere near the best ever Meath and Kildare teams. Nowhere near.

Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games thereís ever been. Iíve no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.

But itís not just in recent years that the rest of Leinster has been cack.  We were waltzing through Leinster under Pillar and Gilroy and then getting whipped when we faced our first real challenge by the likes of Tyrone and Kerry.

Itís been a freak that Dublin won the 5 in a row. Weíve certainly havenít been the best team in every game. The double OG game was absolutely freak luck that saved us. Mayo werenít slightly the better team, they were comfortably the better team on the day. They also most probably had us beaten the year Donie Vaughan decided to even up the numbers by doing something rather silly. 
Last year Kerry were the better team in the final. David Moran must still be kicking himself that after being the best player on the pitch he made an horrendous mistake at the end that helped Dublin sneak the draw. An easy ball to Tommy Walsh in acres of space with only Cluxton near him. Instead he dawdled and allowed 2 tacklers to dispossess him. And the rest is history.

I doubt the whiners would be as loud if weíd won 2 or 3 of the last 5. Dublin 3 Mayo 1 Kerry 1 (or even Dublin 2 Mayo 2 Kerry 1!) would be a fairer reflection of the the last 5 years than the 5-0-0 scorecard that resulted.


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Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« Reply #244 on: November 22, 2020, 01:20:30 PM »
I suppose an uncomfortable question would be - are the dubs seconds the 2nd strongest team in Ireland?

If that's even debatable then this problem isn't generational and isn't going to go away itself.
People asked the same thing about Kilkenny in hurling 12 or 13 years ago

The answer to that was no, and they weren't even close to being so

The same is true of Dublin as well

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« Reply #245 on: November 22, 2020, 01:27:37 PM »
you still get plenty of die hards paying to go to games no matter what.

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« Reply #246 on: November 22, 2020, 01:29:17 PM »
the supers 8s are another disgrace.

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Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« Reply #247 on: November 22, 2020, 01:49:55 PM »
Donegal are fairly being talked up. What are we basing this on?

We are basing it on Kerry being out of the championship.

On Mayo being Mayo.

On Cork being a 3rd division team.

On Tipp and Cavan being still in the championship by default.

There is no one else to talk up!  :-\
I agree with that. Talk up the 2nd best team still left in the championship to make it sound more exciting. It doesnít matter if they are a fair bit behind Dublin.
Well, have a look at the last 5 All ireland finals, were the 2nd best teams that far behind in the final game?
Tyrone were tbh and that is Donegalís level.

Iím looking at a Donegal team who had a middling league, a very narrow win in a game of a poor standard against Tyrone (albeit in poor conditions) and a standard win against a very limited Armagh. I havenít seen anything from them to give me hope they can challenge the Dubs and Iím wondering what others have seen. That said, Iíd love them to.
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Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« Reply #248 on: November 22, 2020, 02:06:03 PM »
Donegal are fairly being talked up. What are we basing this on?

We are basing it on Kerry being out of the championship.

On Mayo being Mayo.

On Cork being a 3rd division team.

On Tipp and Cavan being still in the championship by default.

There is no one else to talk up!  :-\
I agree with that. Talk up the 2nd best team still left in the championship to make it sound more exciting. It doesnít matter if they are a fair bit behind Dublin.
Well, have a look at the last 5 All ireland finals, were the 2nd best teams that far behind in the final game?
Tyrone were tbh and that is Donegalís level.

Iím looking at a Donegal team who had a middling league, a very narrow win in a game of a poor standard against Tyrone (albeit in poor conditions) and a standard win against a very limited Armagh. I havenít seen anything from them to give me hope they can challenge the Dubs and Iím wondering what others have seen. That said, Iíd love them to.
Dublin have only won one of the last four National Leagues

When Dublin were winning National Leagues every year this was cited as an indicator of how far ahead they were

Now they're not winning National Leagues every year maybe that will also be cited as evidence of how far ahead they are


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Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« Reply #249 on: November 22, 2020, 02:08:21 PM »
I donít know what relevance that has to my post.


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Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« Reply #250 on: November 22, 2020, 02:10:09 PM »
Donegal are fairly being talked up. What are we basing this on?

We are basing it on Kerry being out of the championship.

On Mayo being Mayo.

On Cork being a 3rd division team.

On Tipp and Cavan being still in the championship by default.

There is no one else to talk up!  :-\
I agree with that. Talk up the 2nd best team still left in the championship to make it sound more exciting. It doesnít matter if they are a fair bit behind Dublin.
Well, have a look at the last 5 All ireland finals, were the 2nd best teams that far behind in the final game?
Tyrone were tbh and that is Donegalís level.

Iím looking at a Donegal team who had a middling league, a very narrow win in a game of a poor standard against Tyrone (albeit in poor conditions) and a standard win against a very limited Armagh. I havenít seen anything from them to give me hope they can challenge the Dubs and Iím wondering what others have seen. That said, Iíd love them to.
I think there's still a bit of improvement left in Donegal's game, possibly a McBrearty return?  As Insp Clouseau was prone to say, I  wouldn't rule them in or rule them out just yet,  of giving the Dubs a good game.  What's preferable if any, to  meet Dublin this year in the semi or the final?  My choice would be the semi.

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« Reply #251 on: November 22, 2020, 02:27:48 PM »
would Dublin beat an all ulster team.
Would this Dublin team easily beat the Tyrone team with Canavan, Stephen OíNeill, Dooher, McGuigan, Mulligan? That team had a great defence too.

Iím not putting down Tyrone because over the last 5-6 years theyíve been in and around the best team in Ulster, but they would hardly get within 5 or 6 points of that other Tyrone team. 

Leinster is boring. Thereís nobody putting it up to us.  Cakewalk. Part of it is certainly because this is the best Dublin team ever. But also part of it is because the current Meath and Kildare teams are nowhere near the best ever Meath and Kildare teams. Nowhere near.

Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games thereís ever been. Iíve no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.

But itís not just in recent years that the rest of Leinster has been cack.  We were waltzing through Leinster under Pillar and Gilroy and then getting whipped when we faced our first real challenge by the likes of Tyrone and Kerry.

Itís been a freak that Dublin won the 5 in a row. Weíve certainly havenít been the best team in every game. The double OG game was absolutely freak luck that saved us. Mayo werenít slightly the better team, they were comfortably the better team on the day. They also most probably had us beaten the year Donie Vaughan decided to even up the numbers by doing something rather silly. 
Last year Kerry were the better team in the final. David Moran must still be kicking himself that after being the best player on the pitch he made an horrendous mistake at the end that helped Dublin sneak the draw. An easy ball to Tommy Walsh in acres of space with only Cluxton near him. Instead he dawdled and allowed 2 tacklers to dispossess him. And the rest is history.

I doubt the whiners would be as loud if weíd won 2 or 3 of the last 5. Dublin 3 Mayo 1 Kerry 1 (or even Dublin 2 Mayo 2 Kerry 1!) would be a fairer reflection of the the last 5 years than the 5-0-0 scorecard that resulted.

Full house!!

ĎMeath and Kildare should just try harder.í

ĎSure, Mayo nearly beat us that one time.í

ĎBest ever Dublin Ďteamí. Once in a lifetime players - all 25 or 30 of them over the last decade.í

I see the line that thing wouldnít be as smooth once Gavin left has been dropped. At least thatís something.

It never ceases to amaze just how oblivious Dubs are to the feelings of hopelessness throughout the country. Itís so obvious to the rest of us that a well resourced, well organised Dublin is not compatible with a competitive intercounty scene. We can have one or we can have the other, but never both.

It would be stupid to suggest doing anything to jeopardise the progress the GAA has made in Dublin, so the resourcing and organisation will continue. But we need something seismic to rescue the intercounty scene. Splits or amalgamations seem the magnitude of action required. Itís going to be painful one way or the other.

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Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« Reply #252 on: November 22, 2020, 02:40:15 PM »

Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games thereís ever been. Iíve no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.


The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now.  15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.

Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?

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Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« Reply #253 on: November 22, 2020, 02:54:47 PM »
Just wondering why the Meath team did not lay a wreath at the Bloody Sunday Memorial yesterday?

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« Reply #254 on: November 22, 2020, 02:59:45 PM »
Just wondering why the Meath team did not lay a wreath at the Bloody Sunday Memorial yesterday?

Dublin played in the game in 1920 and who cares anyway.