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Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

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sid waddell

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #675 on: November 21, 2020, 06:01:32 PM »
I see Angelo hasn’t bothered to answer any questions?

His natural bed fellows appear to be in GOP and Downing Street.
It was obvious to me 20 years ago that what what lay underneath the rhetoric of the Tories in Britain and the Republicans in the US was nothing more than sheer nihilism - total craziness, total contempt for the lives of ordinary people and the natural world

Time has proven that view to be absolutely correct

In a similar manner, it was obvious to me seven months ago that what lay behind the rhetoric of the self styled "Covid sceptics"  was exactly the same thing

A puritanical form of individualism and total disdain for the idea of any sort of social solidarity - which adopts the fake clothes of concern for others as a shameless, cynical strategy to push that puritanical individualism

So called "Covid scepticism" can't even be remotely honest about what it is because the reality of what it is is far too grotesque

I think some of the posters here do not genuinely hold the views they post. They think they are being hilarious. I think they are being reckless
I think they do genuinely hold these views because they don't think like a reasonable person, they only think in terms of getting their way

I do think there is a large body of media commentary from the self styled right wing where these commentators cannot possibly believe what they are saying - that's pure cyncism, pure grifting

Although after a while you do begin to wonder whether these commentators have genuinely suckered themselves into believing their own nonsense

But on a forum like this, at a level like this, I think there's much more of an element of genuine brainwashing among people who write such opinions

I'm reminded of what Michael Moore said about Trump being "always lying and always telling the truth" -  telling the truth about what he is

This applies to his supporters and those who have bought into that sort of rabid football supporter ideology

To that I would add "they're always joking and yet always serious"

But none of the jokes are funny, and pretty much none of the opinions can be taken seriously by anybody outside the bubble

Such opinions are exhausting, exasperating, draining - especially to argue against - and they're meant to be

Which is why when you get one or two posters who have such ultra-confident, baseless views, they tend to end up cannibalising threads - they genuinely believe that they are unique in seeing things others cannot see, that everybody else has scales on their eyes

Angelo, Seaney, whitey and Foxcommander are examples of this

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #676 on: November 21, 2020, 07:21:43 PM »
Trying to equate Tories stances of 20 years ago with the Tories of today is frankly ludicrous, they've always been a 'broad church' to use their own parlance, the nasty pieces of work have always been there but they've generally been pissing into the wind until Brexit brought them to preminence. Social media has aided them unbelievably in the post truth world.

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #677 on: November 23, 2020, 10:14:09 PM »
How’s things going now? Seems to be going too quick  ;D

Easter time, those with the Vaccine will be able to travel
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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #678 on: November 23, 2020, 10:53:44 PM »
Trying to equate Tories stances of 20 years ago with the Tories of today is frankly ludicrous, they've always been a 'broad church' to use their own parlance, the nasty pieces of work have always been there but they've generally been pissing into the wind until Brexit brought them to preminence. Social media has aided them unbelievably in the post truth world.
I don't think it is, even the more moderate Tories believed in a worldview that brought us the great financial crash, the Iraq War, privatisation of public services, de-unionisation, low wages, wide scale austerity and cuts, stupid "law and order" policies, the "hostile environment", massive house price inflation, basically they believed in all the stuff that led the world to 2016 and the rise of fascism in the west - which they were completely cannibalised by

In the same way that the Republicans' road to Trump started in the 1960s, the Tories' road to the fantasy land of Brexit started in the 1970s

Major was and is a decent enough person, but I'm not sure you can say that about many other Tory leaders since Heath

The Tories veered way right after 1997 - even Portillo was considered too "moderate" in the 2001 leadership election - and Cameron bringing them slightly back towards the centre was really only an election ploy

The toxicity had been building since Thatcher's time and it was the failure of and enabling by the so called Tory moderate wing that brought it out into its full rotten bloom

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #679 on: November 24, 2020, 12:31:40 PM »
That is some reach Sid and I don't think you even believe it, it's really weak. The Tories have been a pretty standard centre-right parliamentary party, with standard centre-right policies enacted worldwide, until Brexit. I also think you're mixing long held Tory delusions of grandeur about just pretty much everything ever with the specific issue of Europe.

Also, half of the stuff you list, happened (or also happened)under Labour's watch. Cameron was Tory leader for 11 years, was as centrist as they come and a Blairite in all but name.

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #680 on: November 24, 2020, 01:15:01 PM »
There is a curious phenomena that I've noticed more in recent times. Especially in the US, but not only in the US.
- People on the far right are very quick to paint everyone on the left as being on the far left.
- People on the far left are very quick to paint everyone on the right as being on the far right.

 

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #681 on: November 24, 2020, 02:02:09 PM »
This very much so. It's even apparent on this board too.

There seems to be no middle ground any more. One extreme or the other.

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #682 on: November 24, 2020, 02:09:48 PM »
There is a curious phenomena that I've noticed more in recent times. Especially in the US, but not only in the US.
- People on the far right are very quick to paint everyone on the left as being on the far left.
- People on the far left are very quick to paint everyone on the right as being on the far right.

Association fallacy.

It's difficult to deliver zingers to moderate, nuanced arguments, especially within twitter's 280 character limit.

Much easier to pretend that everyone represents the most extreme, and most easily refuted, version of their arguments and to plan your attacks from that perspective.

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #683 on: November 24, 2020, 02:35:26 PM »
Much easier to pretend that everyone represents the most extreme, and most easily refuted, version of their arguments and to plan your attacks from that perspective.

NI politics in a nutshell

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #684 on: November 24, 2020, 02:43:36 PM »
Was standing outside a takeaway Saturday night, talking to a fella beside me and the conversation turned to Covid.  This guy seemed normal, down to earth.  He told me quite matte-of-factly that the "vaccine alters human DNA, all you have to do is google and you'll see for yourself".  It was a bit of a conversation stopper to be honest. 

All of this craic reminds me of my school lessons on Edward Jenner and how some of the public responded to the administration of the Cowpox vaccine, perhaps one of the greatest innovations in the history of medicine.  I remember at the time thinking how irresponsible were the magazines that published images such as that below and how stupid were people to be sucked into it. 

Is it really any different today? People not accepting science and evidence and willing to believe any kind of crap they read on social media.  Media publishing just about any kind of shite to attract readership or to serve some other agenda. 




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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #685 on: November 24, 2020, 02:51:39 PM »
The Tories have always been a broad church and that broad church has always included individuals on the “hard right”. Far right gives connotations of racism, militarism and uniforms. I’m sure there are a few skeletons in the closet but not a movement within the party. The hard right in terms of economics and libertarianism has always been there. Migration, nationalism/separatism has buoyed it and given it a more powerful voice right now. There has always been some very unpleasant people in the Tory party but they now have a bit of sway

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #686 on: November 24, 2020, 08:32:53 PM »
My chemical engineering friend telling me tonight that within the industry all these firms are applying for indemnities in Europe against side effects, get the sleeves rolled up folks.

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #687 on: November 24, 2020, 09:12:59 PM »
My chemical engineering friend telling me tonight that within the industry all these firms are applying for  indemnities in Europe against side effects, get the sleeves rolled up folks.

He’s a lawyer also? Some boyo!!
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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #688 on: November 24, 2020, 09:17:40 PM »
My chemical engineering friend telling me tonight that within the industry all these firms are applying for  indemnities in Europe against side effects, get the sleeves rolled up folks.

He’s a lawyer also? Some boyo!!

You aren't getting one so hardly matters to you.

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #689 on: November 24, 2020, 09:28:10 PM »
My chemical engineering friend telling me tonight that within the industry all these firms are applying for  indemnities in Europe against side effects, get the sleeves rolled up folks.

He’s a lawyer also? Some boyo!!

You aren't getting one so hardly matters to you.

There’s that many coming out I’ll be getting one quicker than I thought!

You just keep that mask on, definitely an improvement
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