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Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

Yes
76 (69.1%)
No
34 (30.9%)

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JoG2

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2020, 01:30:49 PM »
Depends on the process it has passed through.

Personally, I have relatives in the field, so I'll be relying on them for their advice and expertise.

I'd agree. It seems with a fair percentage that if you're 'anti', you're anti everything. Anti lockdown, anti vax etc. You'd have to believe a vaccine will not be rolled out until it is 100% safe. So to that end, a vaccine will help eliminate lockdowns in the future.
However, the level of paranoia with some people means they are unable to think straight atm.

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2020, 01:33:38 PM »
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2020, 01:49:36 PM »
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.


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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2020, 01:51:13 PM »
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.

What processes would you like the vaccine to go through that it isn't, and why?

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2020, 02:00:05 PM »
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.

What processes would you like the vaccine to go through that it isn't, and why?

Vaccines normally take 4-5 years for approval.

The problem for me is that Covid does not significantly impact people in my demograph and that's if I catch it.

What is the fatality rate for people 30-40 with no underlying health conditions? What is the rate of hospitalisation?

I'd probably rather take my chances with the possibility of me getting Covid or not than taking a vaccine that has been rushed through the normal process, has not been sufficiently tested. I'd imagine that rationale would be the same for many who have said no but I'll let them give you their reasoning.

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2020, 03:28:33 PM »
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

Why don't you volunteer to aid in it's testing.

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2020, 03:31:57 PM »
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.

What processes would you like the vaccine to go through that it isn't, and why?

Proper clinical trials in which long term complications can be monitored. And why - selfishly so I don't end up worse taking an untested vaccine than I would catching a virus that won't significantly affect me.

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2020, 03:36:05 PM »
Simples

If Fauci says it's safe, then it's safe

It Trump says it's safe and Fauci doesn't say that, then it's not safe

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2020, 03:44:42 PM »
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.

What processes would you like the vaccine to go through that it isn't, and why?

Vaccines normally take 4-5 years for approval.

The problem for me is that Covid does not significantly impact people in my demograph and that's if I catch it.

What is the fatality rate for people 30-40 with no underlying health conditions? What is the rate of hospitalisation?

I'd probably rather take my chances with the possibility of me getting Covid or not than taking a vaccine that has been rushed through the normal process, has not been sufficiently tested. I'd imagine that rationale would be the same for many who have said no but I'll let them give you their reasoning.

The reason vaccines normally take so long is due to lack of funding at each stage. Vaccines are not that attractive for pharmaceutical companies. They prefer chronic illnesses which require ongoing treatment because thatís a complete guaranteed money spinner. Vaccines are often a one off treatment which is initially lucrative but itís a one off. The difference here is that this is a worldwide illness which is so damaging to economies that there has been no issues at all getting funding. Britain has funded around 60 million doses of each of about 7 or 8 vaccines because they are hedging their bets over which gives the best outcome. Iíve heard a few scientists talking about it and they are absolutely convinced about the safety not being in any way compromised by the speed of testing. Thatís good enough for me and Iíd love to be one of the first getting a vaccine once theyíre given the all clear.

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2020, 04:33:34 PM »
There has never been a vaccine process that has had as much resources and money thrown at it as this. That alone was going to significantly reduce the length of time for a vaccine.
If I was making a decision on whether to take it or not I'd need to know what stages were cut out of a normal process. Just saying it's happened too quickly doesn't cut it unless there's evidence to say processes were changed to try and fast track it. And if there is, you'd have to evaluate the risk factor of those changes. Were they just fast tracked administrate stages, or was it on the testing? Just saying it's too quick isn't really enough.

That said, I'd definitely be researching it before deciding to go ahead. The problem will be the amount of disinformation that will be out there. It'll be a nightmare.
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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2020, 04:38:07 PM »
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.
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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2020, 04:44:21 PM »
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate

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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2020, 04:50:28 PM »
If a vaccine is approved by the EU I'll be taking it.

Anybody with half a brain will do likewise.

You have to wonder how it is even a debate
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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2020, 05:22:10 PM »
The reason for the shorter approval process is that anything associated with covid vaccine projects goes straight to the top of the pile, that's at the development stage, regulator review and manufacturing. The vaccine candidates are being fast tracked, not short cut.

The phase 3 trials are including 30-50k people so it's a decent sample size. However, if you give several billion people an injection of something, there will be individuals who have adverse reactions, that's just the maths of it, nů study will be large enough to mitigate that risk. Once the phase 3 trials are completed, this risk will be extremely low but not zero.

Fairly depressing that almost half of people are taking the "I'm alright Jack" approach in this survey



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Re: Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2020, 05:39:53 PM »
Depressing that nearly half of respondants said no.
Do these people like the status quo at the minute?
Maybe it's a "well ill let someone else try it first" sort of attitude.

I don't see as depressing, I see it as pragmatic.

Take your chance with a vaccine rushed through the normal process that has not been tested as stringently as it normally would.

Or take your chance with a virus you or may not contract that has an extremely remote chance of hospitalising or killing people in your demograph.

What processes would you like the vaccine to go through that it isn't, and why?

Proper clinical trials in which long term complications can be monitored. And why - selfishly so I don't end up worse taking an untested vaccine than I would catching a virus that won't significantly affect me.

Long term complications are being monitored.

Its why we don't have a marketed vaccine yet.
What is it about the current trials that isnt proper?
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