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« Reply #735 on: January 21, 2021, 03:25:46 PM »
Think yer arguing with yourself at this stage Trailer.

The fact is yer wrong on yer first two points and these can easily be disproven. The bar for eng centre halves isnt terribly high these days but hes there. Hes not shite nor is he brilliant. Nor has rhere been any hype

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« Reply #736 on: January 21, 2021, 03:28:39 PM »
This argument is along the lines of my 11yr old whereby unless yer a van dijk or a laporte the next level down is "shite". But hes 11 and i hope he learns in time

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« Reply #737 on: January 21, 2021, 04:09:00 PM »
He's an England international!

Yet is getting hyped by nobody. Most commentators that I have heard have rightfully put his place in the England team down to him being left footed.
It is quite clear that the England manager wants a left footed centre half playing, rather than two right footers. If Mings was right footed he would not be making the England squad. You won't find any Villa fan who thinks Mings is in the top 6 qualified English centre halfs currently playing. In saying that he is decent, for the level Villa are at. If Villa can build further and want to make a serious push for top 4, he will be replaced. Hard to see them keeping 8 clean sheets in 16 without him being somewhat competent though. Although we can't give Mings any credit for the Palace clean sheet.

He's not a PL footballer. He's definitely not an England international. We're arguing over is he "hyped". I'll rephrase if it helps. He's f**king shite.

Like Mica Richards hype? I love the way Roy reeled him in one day on Sky sports.....
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« Reply #738 on: January 21, 2021, 04:54:11 PM »
This argument is along the lines of my 11yr old whereby unless yer a van dijk or a laporte the next level down is "shite". But hes 11 and i hope he learns in time

You have hit the nail on the head there, a lot of the lazy analysis on places like this is brilliant/shite  :). Most of Man Utds squad have been labelled on here as shite and not just by opposition fans. In my opinion they do a passable job as Premier League players (most of the time)

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Re: Premier League 20/21
« Reply #739 on: January 21, 2021, 04:58:53 PM »
Everyones been shite in here, Klopp, Pep, Ole, Lampard, Arteta

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« Reply #740 on: January 21, 2021, 05:03:56 PM »
So how the f**k is that first City goal allowed???

Can an attacking player be offside when a defender is playing the ball?

That was a strange goal and I'd be pissed if it was against Utd but by Christ Tyrone Mings is the most overrated footballer bar none. He's absolutely terrible. Against Utd earlier in the year he was dire and he hasn't got any better. I just don't get the hype.
In his defence it was that type of high ball that was always going to take a second touch to get under control. He would have thought he had loads of time and to be fair it wasn't that bad of first touch but was unlucky that he chose to go that side with it. As soon as he turns to get his second touch on it Rodri comes into his field of vision and he panics and messes up a bit.

I don't think that playing the ball has been interpreted in a long time as having it under control.  There have  been plenty of slow motion replays of goals given where the scorer was only onside because the pass to him took a slight deflection from a defender before reaching the scorer.
"A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent".

That's the rule as best I can make out.
a) Rodri didn't receive the ball, he tackled Mings while trying to control the ball
b) You cannot gain advantage from a blocked shot

I'd agree it's a very grey area but it's not as clear cut as getting a touch off defender and all rules are off. For me the rule implies a deflected pass coming into the attackers path, not the attacker actively going to challenge and win the ball. So it's offside all day long by my interpretation.

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« Reply #741 on: January 21, 2021, 05:48:39 PM »
So how the f**k is that first City goal allowed???

Can an attacking player be offside when a defender is playing the ball?

That was a strange goal and I'd be pissed if it was against Utd but by Christ Tyrone Mings is the most overrated footballer bar none. He's absolutely terrible. Against Utd earlier in the year he was dire and he hasn't got any better. I just don't get the hype.
In his defence it was that type of high ball that was always going to take a second touch to get under control. He would have thought he had loads of time and to be fair it wasn't that bad of first touch but was unlucky that he chose to go that side with it. As soon as he turns to get his second touch on it Rodri comes into his field of vision and he panics and messes up a bit.

I don't think that playing the ball has been interpreted in a long time as having it under control.  There have  been plenty of slow motion replays of goals given where the scorer was only onside because the pass to him took a slight deflection from a defender before reaching the scorer.
"A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent".

That's the rule as best I can make out.
a) Rodri didn't receive the ball, he tackled Mings while trying to control the ball
b) You cannot gain advantage from a blocked shot

I'd agree it's a very grey area but it's not as clear cut as getting a touch off defender and all rules are off. For me the rule implies a deflected pass coming into the attackers path, not the attacker actively going to challenge and win the ball. So it's offside all day long by my interpretation.

  Given your interpretation, yes, it would be offside, but I don't see that the bolded bit above has the implication you read into it.

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« Reply #742 on: January 21, 2021, 06:15:25 PM »
So how the f**k is that first City goal allowed???

Can an attacking player be offside when a defender is playing the ball?

That was a strange goal and I'd be pissed if it was against Utd but by Christ Tyrone Mings is the most overrated footballer bar none. He's absolutely terrible. Against Utd earlier in the year he was dire and he hasn't got any better. I just don't get the hype.
In his defence it was that type of high ball that was always going to take a second touch to get under control. He would have thought he had loads of time and to be fair it wasn't that bad of first touch but was unlucky that he chose to go that side with it. As soon as he turns to get his second touch on it Rodri comes into his field of vision and he panics and messes up a bit.

I don't think that playing the ball has been interpreted in a long time as having it under control.  There have  been plenty of slow motion replays of goals given where the scorer was only onside because the pass to him took a slight deflection from a defender before reaching the scorer.
"A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent".

That's the rule as best I can make out.
a) Rodri didn't receive the ball, he tackled Mings while trying to control the ball
b) You cannot gain advantage from a blocked shot

I'd agree it's a very grey area but it's not as clear cut as getting a touch off defender and all rules are off. For me the rule implies a deflected pass coming into the attackers path, not the attacker actively going to challenge and win the ball. So it's offside all day long by my interpretation.

  Given your interpretation, yes, it would be offside, but I don't see that the bolded bit above has the implication you read into it.
I understand it can be read other ways but that's how I read it. Rodri was onto the track of that ball as soon as it was headed in by team mate. He covered well over 10 yards before Mings touched it.

Long and short of it the rule needs urgent addressing and rewording/clarification. Leaving it to be interpreted as it was last night makes a whole farce out of the offside rule.
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« Reply #743 on: January 21, 2021, 07:48:35 PM »
The rule definitely needs to be looked at, I'd agree.  The whole point of offside is to prevent attacking players from gaining an unfair advantage by (e.g.) goal hanging.  I would think that this kind of goal is the kind of goal offside should disallow.

 

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« Reply #744 on: January 21, 2021, 07:59:41 PM »
The rule definitely needs to be looked at, I'd agree.  The whole point of offside is to prevent attacking players from gaining an unfair advantage by (e.g.) goal hanging.  I would think that this kind of goal is the kind of goal offside should disallow.

He wasnít goal hanging though he ran back and won the ball off a defender who wasnít sure of his touch. Iíve no problem with that kind of goal at all itís not like heís 20 yards past the defence in a one on one.

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Re: Premier League 20/21
« Reply #745 on: January 21, 2021, 08:01:04 PM »
Would fear for Burnley. 5 0 to the pool. Origi to score hat trick

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Re: Premier League 20/21
« Reply #746 on: January 21, 2021, 08:24:32 PM »
The rule definitely needs to be looked at, I'd agree.  The whole point of offside is to prevent attacking players from gaining an unfair advantage by (e.g.) goal hanging.  I would think that this kind of goal is the kind of goal offside should disallow.

He wasnít goal hanging though he ran back and won the ball off a defender who wasnít sure of his touch. Iíve no problem with that kind of goal at all itís not like heís 20 yards past the defence in a one on one.

I know he wasn't goal hanging, SE, but he did gain an advantage from being miles offside.

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« Reply #747 on: January 21, 2021, 08:50:50 PM »
How many minutes now is it?
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Re: Premier League 20/21
« Reply #748 on: January 21, 2021, 08:52:14 PM »
How does Mane get away with pushing opponents in every single game and all the diving at the slightest contact

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« Reply #749 on: January 21, 2021, 09:57:38 PM »
Would fear for Burnley. 5 0 to the pool. Origi to score hat trick


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