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How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« on: July 29, 2020, 12:25:14 PM »
The CPA want a fixed calendar for all club fixtures Nationwide. How is this possible considering Dublin/Kilkenny will always have a much longer Intercounty season than say.. Carlow?

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Re: How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2020, 12:34:54 PM »
Give each adult season (intercounty and club) 4 months with a month in between both and a 3 month winter break.  All intercounty players already play club. 
all different Youth seasons can be adjusted for their needs over a period of 8/9 months including schools.
Lets cut the costs of long disorganised seasons as soon as possible. Counties will save millions, and clubs as well.   

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Re: How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2020, 12:38:50 PM »
Give each adult season (intercounty and club) 4 months with a month in between both and a 3 month winter break.  All intercounty players already play club. 
all different Youth seasons can be adjusted for their needs over a period of 8/9 months including schools.
Lets cut the costs of long disorganised seasons as soon as possible. Counties will save millions, and clubs as well.   

So a club player will never play a summer game again? Or can you be specific what months club and county play in?

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Re: How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2020, 12:42:12 PM »
Give each adult season (intercounty and club) 4 months with a month in between both and a 3 month winter break.

Imagine banning club playing activity for 8 months of the year. A single-code player in a dual-code county might only get playing 8 weeks of the year. Madness.

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Re: How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2020, 12:44:06 PM »
When does under 21, sigerson happen?

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Re: How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2020, 12:52:54 PM »
Give each adult season (intercounty and club) 4 months with a month in between both and a 3 month winter break.

Imagine banning club playing activity for 8 months of the year. A single-code player in a dual-code county might only get playing 8 weeks of the year. Madness.

Great example, whenever this gets discussed on the radio no one seems to drill into the detail.

There are some problems without a solution...or the solution is county and club split..

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Re: How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2020, 12:54:13 PM »
The CPA is basically a farce.

Ive said from the outset that itís being approached all wrong.

Clubs NEED to learn to let go of county players for extended periods of their league season. And in return, league seasons happen for the 98% without interference.

This is the only logical outcome.

Man the f**k up lads. If 98% of our players are getting unbroken club seasons, itís infinitely better than 100% of players being messed around.

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Re: How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2020, 12:57:50 PM »
The CPA have no power and no real members who are prepared to follow a strike if one is called.

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Re: How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2020, 01:03:02 PM »
The CPA have no power and no real members who are prepared to follow a strike if one is called.

Agreed. But they can still provide some thought leadership, and help people understand that it will not destroy a club to fulfil league fixtures without county players.


Thereís only 52 weeks a year. If we are lucky thereís at most 40 of those are suited to countrywide GAA activities. Anyone who demands county players must be available for all club games is basically demanding those elite players do it for 40 weeks in a row, while jumping chameleon like between skill levels, fitness levels and tactical approaches. Meanwhile, the 98% might as well take 40 weeks a year off. Or worse still, train for 40 weeks to play 12. Itís f**king insane.

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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2020, 01:06:31 PM »
The CPA have no power and no real members who are prepared to follow a strike if one is called.

Agreed. But they can still provide some thought leadership, and help people understand that it will not destroy a club to fulfil league fixtures without county players.


Thereís only 52 weeks a year. If we are lucky thereís at most 40 of those are suited to countrywide GAA activities. Anyone who demands county players must be available for all club games is basically demanding those elite players do it for 40 weeks in a row, while jumping chameleon like between skill levels, fitness levels and tactical approaches. Meanwhile, the 98% might as well take 40 weeks a year off. Or worse still, train for 40 weeks to play 12. Itís f**king insane.

I agree, the CPA arenít even prepared to do away with club championship replays. They are not a serious organization. They never were. They were flawed for the outset.

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Re: How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2020, 01:21:54 PM »
The CPA have no power and no real members who are prepared to follow a strike if one is called.

Agreed. But they can still provide some thought leadership, and help people understand that it will not destroy a club to fulfil league fixtures without county players.


Thereís only 52 weeks a year. If we are lucky thereís at most 40 of those are suited to countrywide GAA activities. Anyone who demands county players must be available for all club games is basically demanding those elite players do it for 40 weeks in a row, while jumping chameleon like between skill levels, fitness levels and tactical approaches. Meanwhile, the 98% might as well take 40 weeks a year off. Or worse still, train for 40 weeks to play 12. Itís f**king insane.

The problem is that in most counties they've been doing it the wrong way for so long they can't see the way out of it. In Down we're used to it now and everyone gets on with it. It's not a perfect system and the county still get involved at times when they shouldn't but it's as good as you would expect. As a player it was always fairly good and you got regular football as a senior player.

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Re: How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2020, 01:48:02 PM »
When does under 21, sigerson happen?

Who cares? get rid of them and the worthless competitions that we run

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Re: How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2020, 01:58:43 PM »
When does under 21, sigerson happen?

Who cares? get rid of them and the worthless competitions that we run

No chance of that, GPA wonít accept sigerson being done away with. Too much of a money spinner for young college going players through scholarships

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Re: How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2020, 02:02:26 PM »
The CPA is basically a farce.

Ive said from the outset that itís being approached all wrong.

Clubs NEED to learn to let go of county players for extended periods of their league season. And in return, league seasons happen for the 98% without interference.

This is the only logical outcome.

Man the f**k up lads. If 98% of our players are getting unbroken club seasons, itís infinitely better than 100% of players being messed around.
Absolutely. Why can counties not play off their leagues while the intercounty season is proceeding?
There would be enough time to finish up the leagues completely then before the club championship starts (when intercounty season is finished).
County players come back in for club championship.

Sure as it is now in a lot of counties, county players only really play league games with their clubs once the county is knocked out anyway.

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Re: How is a fixed calendar for club possible?
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2020, 02:16:54 PM »
Give each adult season (intercounty and club) 4 months with a month in between both and a 3 month winter break.

Imagine banning club playing activity for 8 months of the year. A single-code player in a dual-code county might only get playing 8 weeks of the year. Madness.
Iíd say itís possible If you really think about it but always the problem will be willingness to change.
Is there any real reason for adult league and championships to take more than 4 odd months in club or intercounty. Our summer is in April and May these years if itís weather we are talking about. All intercounty grounds have autumn winter lighting. This all Ireland is a litmus test for the way forward.
My approach is based on my belief that intercounty players want to play 8 months or club and county and that club players would be happy to play 16-20 games a year. If the Gaa Chooses to split club and county then go ahead make that call and see what the reaction is. The world will not fall in but it will weaken the organisation hugely in the next 20 years. Otherwise sort the fixtures. Whatís the croke park wage bill and yet this is still not sorted. Do your job!