Author Topic: John Mitchel - a lover of slavery - time to remove his name from GAA clubs?  (Read 9922 times)

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Well then let the community make the call, not some bureaucrat in Croke Park

While unscientific the support online for retaining the name looks to be about 20:1 in favor of retaining

Those opposed IMHO seem to be the local SJWs who’ve never attended a game in their lives and members of rival clubs trying to stir the pot

It’s what I’ve always said. Ultimately up to them.

But everyone else is entitled to condemn it to the high heavens if they see fit.

And everyone else are entitled to respond with administrative responses if they see fit also.

And the club will have to live with that. Actions/choices have consequences and the club has no entitlement to be insulated from them.

If that means loss of players or sponsors well then tough

“Everyone else” is not entitled to respond with Administrative responses......only Croke Park can do that and in the link I shared about the situation with the clubs up North, that option was absolutely not on the table.

With the local support seeming to be overwhelming for the club at this point, I think they can live with the consequences.

Croke Park can.

Everyone else can too.

Damn all you could do about it.

LOL......believe what you want.

This could lead to a civil war within the organization

“Civil War”?

Settle down you big snowflake, you are far too easily offended....

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They can look at it all they want.....the decision should rest with the club......end of story

The “reputation” of the wider GAA could also be adversely affected by their association with paedophiles, Nazi sympathizers and IRA/INLA murder squads, but they’re willing to take that risk because an internet mob haven’t happened upon them.......yet

Here’s what Joe Brolly said on the matter "It's nobody else's business - it's as simple as that," he said of the Dungiven club's name. "People can either like it or lump it."

It may be the end of the story, but it shouldn’t be. Organizations always have rules for membership, playing and conduct; why should names and who they honour not be part of that?

Citing Joe Brolly is neither here nor there.

So J70.......why set the bar so high at people being offended by something

What if people felt “excluded” by something associated with a club or county. I already mentioned a discussion online about changing a county crest to remove “Dia is Muire Linn”

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They can look at it all they want.....the decision should rest with the club......end of story

The “reputation” of the wider GAA could also be adversely affected by their association with paedophiles, Nazi sympathizers and IRA/INLA murder squads, but they’re willing to take that risk because an internet mob haven’t happened upon them.......yet

Here’s what Joe Brolly said on the matter "It's nobody else's business - it's as simple as that," he said of the Dungiven club's name. "People can either like it or lump it."

It may be the end of the story, but it shouldn’t be. Organizations always have rules for membership, playing and conduct; why should names and who they honour not be part of that?

Citing Joe Brolly is neither here nor there.

So J70.......why set the bar so high at people being offended by something

What if people felt “excluded” by something associated with a club or county. I already mentioned a discussion online about changing a county crest to remove “Dia is Muire Linn”

I haven't set a bar anywhere. I haven't even called for any actual name changes. I just don't think slippery slope/whataboutery is a valid argument. You could use those "arguments" for anything and everything, and nothing would every change because people like you would be shouting "what about this?" and "what about that?" The idea that if a club was to "give in to the mob" and change their name rather than continuing to honour an unapologetic white supremacist and slavery enthusiast that they'd next be coming for a bland motto or blessing on a badge is ludicrous fearmongering and a bad faith argument. It may be, at some point, that in order to broaden its appeal as Ireland continues to become less catholic and more diverse and cosmopolitan, that the GAA decides to cut back on the nationalistic, tribal element running through the organization; you don't get archbishops throwing the ball or sliotar in at the start of the All Ireland Final any more, after all. But there's a bloody big difference between a traditional blessing on a badge and honouring a racist figure from the past.

So I don't where the bar would be. I would certainly start with the low-hanging fruit, a discussion of figures like Mitchel and whether or not the GAA should continue to honour them. It may be that cases such as Mitchel get consigned to the dustbin, while clubs from the north have compelling arguments why paramilitary figures, much more recent and personal for them, should be retained (or not, I don't know).

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+1.

His blinding support of Israel is a bit galling yet everyone else is a terrorist.

So you disagree with him. That's grand but it alters not a jot his credibility as a commentator or source.

Source, maybe. He has zero credibilty as a commentator. He has the standard alt right approach to freeze peach. Demands it for himself, blocks all dissent. Which is ominious from an academic

Rubbish, he regularly spends long periods on Twitter jousting with his detractors. If he simply blocked them all, he wouldn't have to. He does block anyone who personally abuses or threatens him. Ewan MacKenna targeted his job so Humphrys blocked him, 100% correctly. MacKenna was still slandering him as recently as last week.
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+1.

His blinding support of Israel is a bit galling yet everyone else is a terrorist.

So you disagree with him. That's grand but it alters not a jot his credibility as a commentator or source.

Source, maybe. He has zero credibilty as a commentator. He has the standard alt right approach to freeze peach. Demands it for himself, blocks all dissent. Which is ominious from an academic

Rubbish, he regularly spends long periods on Twitter jousting with his detractors. If he simply blocked them all, he wouldn't have to. He does block anyone who personally abuses or threatens him. Ewan MacKenna targeted his job so Humphrys blocked him, 100% correctly. MacKenna was still slandering him as recently as last week.

Thats your opinion. Mine is he is an alt right louse, hypocrite, pseudo intellectual. But regardless of which of us are right, he is cited as an expert why?

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They can look at it all they want.....the decision should rest with the club......end of story

The “reputation” of the wider GAA could also be adversely affected by their association with paedophiles, Nazi sympathizers and IRA/INLA murder squads, but they’re willing to take that risk because an internet mob haven’t happened upon them.......yet

I take it at this point you aren't going to elaborate on the Dan Breen was a Nazi line?

Plenty of evidence all over the internet

https://markhumphrys.com/dan.breen.html

Any chance of a credible, non extremist source?

Mark Humphrys is a wholly credible source. Show him where you think he's wrong on any point and he'll put you right.

He's not extremist either although some people who dislike his work regularly smear him as such as they are unable to directly rebut him.

He is in his hole credible. Have a wander through the rest of his blog, its a cesspit.

He won't 'set you right' if you question him. He will call you an antisemite and block you.
Mark Humphrys is most definitely an extremist and a lunatic and his views on most things can be dismissed as the rantings of such.

But there's little doubt Breen was a Nazi sympathiser.

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Anyone have their coffee out Bewley’s?

The cafes will be getting burned down soon
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

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They can look at it all they want.....the decision should rest with the club......end of story

The “reputation” of the wider GAA could also be adversely affected by their association with paedophiles, Nazi sympathizers and IRA/INLA murder squads, but they’re willing to take that risk because an internet mob haven’t happened upon them.......yet

I take it at this point you aren't going to elaborate on the Dan Breen was a Nazi line?

Plenty of evidence all over the internet

https://markhumphrys.com/dan.breen.html

Any chance of a credible, non extremist source?

Mark Humphrys is a wholly credible source. Show him where you think he's wrong on any point and he'll put you right.

He's not extremist either although some people who dislike his work regularly smear him as such as they are unable to directly rebut him.

He is in his hole credible. Have a wander through the rest of his blog, its a cesspit.

He won't 'set you right' if you question him. He will call you an antisemite and block you.
Mark Humphrys is most definitely an extremist and a lunatic and his views on most things can be dismissed as the rantings of such.

But there's little doubt Breen was a Nazi sympathiser.

As in believed in the tenents and aims of the National Socialist movement of Germany or wanted someone, anyone, to batter the Brits?

whitey

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They can look at it all they want.....the decision should rest with the club......end of story

The “reputation” of the wider GAA could also be adversely affected by their association with paedophiles, Nazi sympathizers and IRA/INLA murder squads, but they’re willing to take that risk because an internet mob haven’t happened upon them.......yet

I take it at this point you aren't going to elaborate on the Dan Breen was a Nazi line?

Plenty of evidence all over the internet

https://markhumphrys.com/dan.breen.html

Any chance of a credible, non extremist source?

Mark Humphrys is a wholly credible source. Show him where you think he's wrong on any point and he'll put you right.

He's not extremist either although some people who dislike his work regularly smear him as such as they are unable to directly rebut him.

He is in his hole credible. Have a wander through the rest of his blog, its a cesspit.

He won't 'set you right' if you question him. He will call you an antisemite and block you.
Mark Humphrys is most definitely an extremist and a lunatic and his views on most things can be dismissed as the rantings of such.

But there's little doubt Breen was a Nazi sympathiser.

As in believed in the tenents and aims of the National Socialist movement of Germany or wanted someone, anyone, to batter the Brits?

No....he was a full blown sympathizer. Even Had a picture of Hitler up in his house.

Tom Barry too.....actually went over and visited them