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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #180 on: July 14, 2020, 01:18:28 PM »
Trans is a really interesting one. I haven't studied much of it granted but there does seem to be a huge spectrum of people who fall into the trans basket. This causes an issue. From my own perspective and as the Father of a girl I definitely don't want some man with a c**k and balls using ladies changing room / toilets and being able to claim that they are trans.
Getting into an argument on Twitter with them is of course the road to no town. They're massively represented and seem to be able to call on a fairly large army of warriors as Lineham and Rowling have found out.

Have fraudulent claims of trans identity to facilitate sexual assault or leering or whatever in women's bathrooms been a major or even minor problem yet?

We've been hearing about this risk for much of the past decade as the issues of transsexual people have attracted public awareness.

How do these incidents of assault compare to the assault of transwomen who are forced to use men's facilities?

Fair enough, but I would feel uncomfortable should that avenue be left open. 
I'm open to hearing arguments and listening to other viewpoints but if you're a man, you're a man and if you're a woman you're a woman. You can be transitioning but you're a man transitioning to a woman and vice versa. I think that has to be made clear. Of course people should be free to make their own choices without prejudice but also people should be allowed to hold a traditional viewpoint around gender without being called transphobic.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #181 on: July 14, 2020, 01:54:49 PM »
Trans is a really interesting one. I haven't studied much of it granted but there does seem to be a huge spectrum of people who fall into the trans basket. This causes an issue. From my own perspective and as the Father of a girl I definitely don't want some man with a c**k and balls using ladies changing room / toilets and being able to claim that they are trans.
Getting into an argument on Twitter with them is of course the road to no town. They're massively represented and seem to be able to call on a fairly large army of warriors as Lineham and Rowling have found out.

Have fraudulent claims of trans identity to facilitate sexual assault or leering or whatever in women's bathrooms been a major or even minor problem yet?

We've been hearing about this risk for much of the past decade as the issues of transsexual people have attracted public awareness.

How do these incidents of assault compare to the assault of transwomen who are forced to use men's facilities?

Fair enough, but I would feel uncomfortable should that avenue be left open. 
I'm open to hearing arguments and listening to other viewpoints but if you're a man, you're a man and if you're a woman you're a woman. You can be transitioning but you're a man transitioning to a woman and vice versa. I think that has to be made clear. Of course people should be free to make their own choices without prejudice but also people should be allowed to hold a traditional viewpoint around gender without being called transphobic.

What do you mean "it has to be made clear"? By whom and to whom? Based on what?

There's nothing clear about any of this, beyond the fact that it is a difficult issue which is emerging after people historically had to live repressed, secret lives. Biology is a complicated thing and traits and characteristics don't always fall into neat pigeonholes. And transexuality is obviously not the first issue of human dignity and worth that society has to had to evolve on in recent decades.

As an aside, I've been working for several years now at a large institution which permits people to use the bathrooms of the gender they identify with.

We're talking tens of thousands of people in and out of these bathrooms.

Have yet to hear of any problems.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #182 on: February 23, 2021, 12:03:44 PM »
Graham Linehan has gone full creep

What a sad way to live your life

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Graham Linehan joined a queer womenís dating app to share trans peopleís profiles. It backfired, badly

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #183 on: February 23, 2021, 12:49:23 PM »
It's a toxic debate that's never ending.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #184 on: February 23, 2021, 01:49:11 PM »
Women were never asked if they wanted to accept the trans agenda

https://mobile.twitter.com/p1nchemarimacha/status/1359522342280572930
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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #185 on: February 23, 2021, 03:06:07 PM »
Trans is a really interesting one. I haven't studied much of it granted but there does seem to be a huge spectrum of people who fall into the trans basket. This causes an issue. From my own perspective and as the Father of a girl I definitely don't want some man with a c**k and balls using ladies changing room / toilets and being able to claim that they are trans.

Yet presumably you are quite happy with a homosexual using the changing room and ogling your daughter?
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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #186 on: February 23, 2021, 03:08:53 PM »

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #187 on: February 23, 2021, 03:11:09 PM »
Women were never asked if they wanted to accept the trans agenda

https://mobile.twitter.com/p1nchemarimacha/status/1359522342280572930

And what is the trans agenda? I am imagining a bunch of trans people sitting in a room. Phones turned off and SIM cards removed making bullet points of everything they want on the agenda

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #188 on: February 23, 2021, 03:36:50 PM »
Women were never asked if they wanted to accept the trans agenda

https://mobile.twitter.com/p1nchemarimacha/status/1359522342280572930

And what is the trans agenda? I am imagining a bunch of trans people sitting in a room. Phones turned off and SIM cards removed making bullet points of everything they want on the agenda

Linehan has lost the plot! What started out as him standing up for trans activism encroaching on women has become a total obsession and he's not handling it well at all.

I actually agree with most of what he says but the main message has been lost in the madness that has ensued.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #189 on: February 23, 2021, 03:42:08 PM »
Trans is a really interesting one. I haven't studied much of it granted but there does seem to be a huge spectrum of people who fall into the trans basket. This causes an issue. From my own perspective and as the Father of a girl I definitely don't want some man with a c**k and balls using ladies changing room / toilets and being able to claim that they are trans.

Yet presumably you are quite happy with a homosexual using the changing room and ogling your daughter?

Not really comfortable with anyone ogling anyone who is underage if I'm honest.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #190 on: February 23, 2021, 03:51:43 PM »
Women were never asked if they wanted to accept the trans agenda

https://mobile.twitter.com/p1nchemarimacha/status/1359522342280572930

And what is the trans agenda? I am imagining a bunch of trans people sitting in a room. Phones turned off and SIM cards removed making bullet points of everything they want on the agenda
It's getting journalists on message
Buying politicians
Changing laws without any public debate
Social media manipulation

And it's extremely sophisticated

Did most people under 25 start supporting the trans cause because they were all visited individually  by the slua sŪ. ? Or was it structured and funded and executed ?
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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #191 on: February 23, 2021, 04:14:36 PM »
Women were never asked if they wanted to accept the trans agenda

https://mobile.twitter.com/p1nchemarimacha/status/1359522342280572930

And what is the trans agenda? I am imagining a bunch of trans people sitting in a room. Phones turned off and SIM cards removed making bullet points of everything they want on the agenda
It's getting journalists on message
Buying politicians
Changing laws without any public debate
Social media manipulation

And it's extremely sophisticated

Did most people under 25 start supporting the trans cause because they were all visited individually  by the slua sŪ. ? Or was it structured and funded and executed ?

Where do all these trans people meet to come up with this agenda? Do they crossover with the people who come up with the gay agenda? Do they make notes on the meetings? Iíd like to see them

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #192 on: February 23, 2021, 04:48:43 PM »
Trans is a really interesting one. I haven't studied much of it granted but there does seem to be a huge spectrum of people who fall into the trans basket. This causes an issue. From my own perspective and as the Father of a girl I definitely don't want some man with a c**k and balls using ladies changing room / toilets and being able to claim that they are trans.
Getting into an argument on Twitter with them is of course the road to no town. They're massively represented and seem to be able to call on a fairly large army of warriors as Lineham and Rowling have found out.

Have fraudulent claims of trans identity to facilitate sexual assault or leering or whatever in women's bathrooms been a major or even minor problem yet?

We've been hearing about this risk for much of the past decade as the issues of transsexual people have attracted public awareness.

How do these incidents of assault compare to the assault of transwomen who are forced to use men's facilities?

Fair enough, but I would feel uncomfortable should that avenue be left open. 
I'm open to hearing arguments and listening to other viewpoints but if you're a man, you're a man and if you're a woman you're a woman. You can be transitioning but you're a man transitioning to a woman and vice versa. I think that has to be made clear. Of course people should be free to make their own choices without prejudice but also people should be allowed to hold a traditional viewpoint around gender without being called transphobic.

What do you mean "it has to be made clear"? By whom and to whom? Based on what?

There's nothing clear about any of this, beyond the fact that it is a difficult issue which is emerging after people historically had to live repressed, secret lives. Biology is a complicated thing and traits and characteristics don't always fall into neat pigeonholes. And transexuality is obviously not the first issue of human dignity and worth that society has to had to evolve on in recent decades.

As an aside, I've been working for several years now at a large institution which permits people to use the bathrooms of the gender they identify with.

We're talking tens of thousands of people in and out of these bathrooms.

Have yet to hear of any problems.
do bathrooms have a lock on them ?
Of course thereís no problem because thereís f$ck all transgender people around another storm in a tea cup .

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #193 on: February 23, 2021, 05:16:32 PM »
Trans is a really interesting one. I haven't studied much of it granted but there does seem to be a huge spectrum of people who fall into the trans basket. This causes an issue. From my own perspective and as the Father of a girl I definitely don't want some man with a c**k and balls using ladies changing room / toilets and being able to claim that they are trans.
Getting into an argument on Twitter with them is of course the road to no town. They're massively represented and seem to be able to call on a fairly large army of warriors as Lineham and Rowling have found out.

Have fraudulent claims of trans identity to facilitate sexual assault or leering or whatever in women's bathrooms been a major or even minor problem yet?

We've been hearing about this risk for much of the past decade as the issues of transsexual people have attracted public awareness.

How do these incidents of assault compare to the assault of transwomen who are forced to use men's facilities?

Fair enough, but I would feel uncomfortable should that avenue be left open. 
I'm open to hearing arguments and listening to other viewpoints but if you're a man, you're a man and if you're a woman you're a woman. You can be transitioning but you're a man transitioning to a woman and vice versa. I think that has to be made clear. Of course people should be free to make their own choices without prejudice but also people should be allowed to hold a traditional viewpoint around gender without being called transphobic.

What do you mean "it has to be made clear"? By whom and to whom? Based on what?

There's nothing clear about any of this, beyond the fact that it is a difficult issue which is emerging after people historically had to live repressed, secret lives. Biology is a complicated thing and traits and characteristics don't always fall into neat pigeonholes. And transexuality is obviously not the first issue of human dignity and worth that society has to had to evolve on in recent decades.

As an aside, I've been working for several years now at a large institution which permits people to use the bathrooms of the gender they identify with.

We're talking tens of thousands of people in and out of these bathrooms.

Have yet to hear of any problems.
do bathrooms have a lock on them ?
Of course thereís no problem because thereís f$ck all transgender people around another storm in a tea cup .

Stalls have a lock, of course. Sinks areas no.

However, given the relatively young, liberal, profile of the people who would frequent where I work, youíre probably hell of a lot more likely to have openly trans people about than most places. 

And still no problems.

Part of that is, Iím sure, the fact that no one is looking to create problems or controversy where they donít exist.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #194 on: February 23, 2021, 06:56:44 PM »
Trans is a really interesting one. I haven't studied much of it granted but there does seem to be a huge spectrum of people who fall into the trans basket. This causes an issue. From my own perspective and as the Father of a girl I definitely don't want some man with a c**k and balls using ladies changing room / toilets and being able to claim that they are trans.
Getting into an argument on Twitter with them is of course the road to no town. They're massively represented and seem to be able to call on a fairly large army of warriors as Lineham and Rowling have found out.

Have fraudulent claims of trans identity to facilitate sexual assault or leering or whatever in women's bathrooms been a major or even minor problem yet?

We've been hearing about this risk for much of the past decade as the issues of transsexual people have attracted public awareness.

How do these incidents of assault compare to the assault of transwomen who are forced to use men's facilities?

Fair enough, but I would feel uncomfortable should that avenue be left open. 
I'm open to hearing arguments and listening to other viewpoints but if you're a man, you're a man and if you're a woman you're a woman. You can be transitioning but you're a man transitioning to a woman and vice versa. I think that has to be made clear. Of course people should be free to make their own choices without prejudice but also people should be allowed to hold a traditional viewpoint around gender without being called transphobic.

What do you mean "it has to be made clear"? By whom and to whom? Based on what?

There's nothing clear about any of this, beyond the fact that it is a difficult issue which is emerging after people historically had to live repressed, secret lives. Biology is a complicated thing and traits and characteristics don't always fall into neat pigeonholes. And transexuality is obviously not the first issue of human dignity and worth that society has to had to evolve on in recent decades.

As an aside, I've been working for several years now at a large institution which permits people to use the bathrooms of the gender they identify with.

We're talking tens of thousands of people in and out of these bathrooms.

Have yet to hear of any problems.
do bathrooms have a lock on them ?
Of course thereís no problem because thereís f$ck all transgender people around another storm in a tea cup .

Stalls have a lock, of course. Sinks areas no.

However, given the relatively young, liberal, profile of the people who would frequent where I work, youíre probably hell of a lot more likely to have openly trans people about than most places. 

And still no problems.

Part of that is, Iím sure, the fact that no one is looking to create problems or controversy where they donít exist.
any urinals in these bathrooms or all stalls ?