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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #165 on: June 27, 2020, 07:25:21 AM »
Linehan cheerled cancel culture until it came for him.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #166 on: June 27, 2020, 07:53:25 AM »
It depends whether or not it's permanent.
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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #167 on: June 27, 2020, 12:54:09 PM »
What's he gonna do now that Twitter have suspended him?
There's always Stormfront or thefreekick.com for him.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #168 on: June 27, 2020, 02:13:47 PM »
Zionism is very like militant trans activism. Zionists don't like their ideology being questioned either. Taking opponents out is par for the course. Zionists don't have a popular base. Neither do the trans warriors.
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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #169 on: June 27, 2020, 02:32:19 PM »
Zionism is very like militant trans activism. Zionists don't like their ideology being questioned either. Taking opponents out is par for the course. Zionists don't have a popular base. Neither do the trans warriors.
With posts like this, it's almost like you're a raging transphobe.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #170 on: June 27, 2020, 03:22:37 PM »
Zionism is very like militant trans activism. Zionists don't like their ideology being questioned either. Taking opponents out is par for the course. Zionists don't have a popular base. Neither do the trans warriors.
With posts like this, it's almost like you're a raging transphobe.
I'm interested in ideologies. Trans activism is fascinating. But I can't see them bringing the ladies onside.
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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #171 on: June 27, 2020, 03:52:07 PM »
Zionism is very like militant trans activism. Zionists don't like their ideology being questioned either. Taking opponents out is par for the course. Zionists don't have a popular base. Neither do the trans warriors.
With posts like this, it's almost like you're a raging transphobe.
I'm interested in ideologies. Trans activism is fascinating. But I can't see them bringing the ladies onside.
Luckily they all think the same and have you as their spokesman.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/womens-institute-reveals-now-accepts-6453762

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It obviously means all writers in their stable including the fruitcake trans. crowd.
Your position is clear on the topic.
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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #172 on: June 27, 2020, 04:52:44 PM »
Zionism is very like militant trans activism. Zionists don't like their ideology being questioned either. Taking opponents out is par for the course. Zionists don't have a popular base. Neither do the trans warriors.
With posts like this, it's almost like you're a raging transphobe.
I'm interested in ideologies. Trans activism is fascinating. But I can't see them bringing the ladies onside.
Luckily they all think the same and have you as their spokesman.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/womens-institute-reveals-now-accepts-6453762

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It obviously means all writers in their stable including the fruitcake trans. crowd.
Your position is clear on the topic.

Some of them are extremist, Maiden.
They want to.extend trans logic to.everyone.

All the TERF insults.

Gay marriage didn't damage anyone else's rights. Neither did giving cathoics in the 6 counties civil rights.

Moving from a sex based classification to.a gender based where there is no objective definition is pretty big. Why don't we have a national debate about it ?
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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #173 on: June 27, 2020, 06:23:11 PM »
Zionism is very like militant trans activism. Zionists don't like their ideology being questioned either. Taking opponents out is par for the course. Zionists don't have a popular base. Neither do the trans warriors.
With posts like this, it's almost like you're a raging transphobe.
I'm interested in ideologies. Trans activism is fascinating. But I can't see them bringing the ladies onside.
Luckily they all think the same and have you as their spokesman.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/womens-institute-reveals-now-accepts-6453762

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It obviously means all writers in their stable including the fruitcake trans. crowd.
Your position is clear on the topic.

Some of them are extremist, Maiden.
They want to.extend trans logic to.everyone.

All the TERF insults.

Gay marriage didn't damage anyone else's rights. Neither did giving cathoics in the 6 counties civil rights.

Moving from a sex based classification to.a gender based where there is no objective definition is pretty big. Why don't we have a national debate about it ?
The word woman in the dictionary is just a word.  It isn't important even if you were correct that it has to be gender based and could be seen as pretentious if you feel the need to point it out to someone.  Your language above is an example of the bigger issue to me (i.e. the adjectives fruitcake before trans) is a good example of real issues which people face every day at school, within their families, when they try to find a job etc.  People are who they are.  Side issues like running in the Olympics is probably the last thing most trans people are thinking about when they are deciding to live a certain way.  Like I said previously I wouldn't think it was very fair if Bruce Jenner entered the women's Decathlon as Caitlin in 1980.   

Below are a couple of interesting articles.  I am not sure but maybe it is why more people seem to want to make this life changing decision than 50 years ago.

https://news.mongabay.com/2016/04/a-sex-change-phenomenon-in-fish-suggests-there-is-something-in-the-water/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/24/toxic-america-sperm-counts-plastics-research#
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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #174 on: June 28, 2020, 02:06:35 AM »
So Graham linehan  has been locked out of twitter now for some comment he made.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #175 on: June 28, 2020, 07:59:10 AM »
There was a very interesting article in the Financial Times yesterday

https://www.ft.com/content/003c71d6-b55c-11ea-8ecb-0994e384dffe

"One single theory allegedly at the heart of the western secular experiment: that gender — as a mutable social construct — exists in the first place, as opposed to sex, which in their view is objective,
natural and divinely ordained.

In 2016, the pope labelled it a form of “ideological colonisation” that sets out to teach young people “that everyone can choose his or her sex”.

Precisely because “gender ideology” is so amorphous, it needs an embodied target.

To this constituency, the special pleading of an entitled minority threatens to encroach on the wellbeing of the majority


WoLF joined the suit out of concern for “the safety and bodily integrity of the women and children whose lives would be placed at risk or ruined” if transgender people had legal rights as women, its leaders said.

WoLF is on the fringes of mainstream feminism but channels a decades-old position: that the experience of womanhood is defined by female sex characteristics

Some feminists, like WoLF, argue that if people assigned the male sex at birth are allowed to become women officially, their presence in women-only spaces might endanger other women and children, or compromise the values and very raisons d’être of these spaces. Others, like Rowling herself, acknowledge that trans people can be women, but insist on an assessment process rather than self-identification, given the history of violence by men against women.

Still, the UK government seems to have accepted the arguments against self-identification, and will continue to insist on medical assessment. But here is its dilemma: to permit the continuation of this is to perpetuate a notion that is fast becoming outdated in medicine — owever, to date, very few countries have depathologised gender identity.


Unlike “gender dysphoria”, which measures pathology, “gender congruence” measures “the degree to which transgender individuals feel genuine, authentic and comfortable with their gender identity and external appearance”, as the originators of the concept phrased it. This mirrors a broader cultural revolution in understandings of the body, from “illness” to “wellness,” a catchphrase of our times.

Transsexualism was now “just one more in a number of . . . discourses about self-optimisation: ‘I want to be the real me.’”

But, as so often happens in human rights discourse around “minority rights”, some voices argue that the rights of the majority run the risk of being compromised

The transgender rights struggle is not just about access to healthcare, or even about freedom from discrimination and violence. It is also, emphatically, about the right to be acknowledged or affirmed for who you are, and the right to decide this for yourself.""

So is transgenderism a pathology ?
Is self identification the way forward ?
How can a mutable social construct trump something objective?
How can women be protected?

I think the Western transgender issue and the aggression associated with it have its roots in Christianity and its attitudes to sex. Other cultures have been comfortable with the transgender
idea for many centuries. Eventually maybe we will too.
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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #176 on: June 30, 2020, 11:13:02 AM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/did-father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-become-hated-man-internet/

Linehan has argued that trans activism has aggressively shut down debates, de-platformed, and attacked women such as academics Kathleen Stock, Jane Clare Jones, Meghan Murphy and Magdalen Berns. Linehan has blamed trans ideology and activism for being misogynistic and erasing women’s rights. He has claimed there’s a conflict between trans rights and women’s hard-earned sex-based rights. He's been especially vocal about biological females giving up safe spaces to share with female-identifying persons.
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