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« Reply #735 on: May 18, 2020, 02:57:27 PM »
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

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« Reply #736 on: May 18, 2020, 03:06:50 PM »
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

That's incorrect, look at the date it was posted. It was made clear to all Clubs that the only people who should be on Club property at the minute are those carrying out maintenance works.

You are right, sadly. https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/latest-gaa-update-on-covid-19/

"Please be advised that, in line with recent government announcements, these measures and closures are now extended to Sunday April 19 inclusive, at which stage arrangements will be reviewed.

In addition, we are now instructing GAA Clubs to close their facilities completely.

This is to include the use of all pitches and property for recreational purposes, including walking, casual games or gatherings."

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« Reply #737 on: May 18, 2020, 04:03:10 PM »
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

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« Reply #738 on: May 18, 2020, 04:04:47 PM »
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

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Why doesn't the minister for sport or the Government come out and provide general indemnification to all sporting grounds, i.e.,
you cannot sue a GAA club or others, because you think you or a family member may have gotten Covid-19 while either practicing or attending an event there.

If we ever have sporting events in Ireland where the public are allowed to attend, it will have to be provided in any event.

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« Reply #739 on: May 18, 2020, 04:18:33 PM »
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

Maybe in Dublin you don’t, but not everyone in Ireland is in Dublin. In some small towns and villages the GAA club is the only place you can SAFELY exercise; to go for a walk you might have walk along winding roads with no footpaths etc... and the dangers that brings (hence why the ‘light up Ireland‘ initiative has been so successful). Not  everyone or every community has access to the same amenities as the capital or the larger towns and cities.

Also I do agree with the posters saying that it would be very hard to police, all you have to do is look at the supermarkets whenever you stand in line two metres apart queuing for ages, then you get inside and people are all over you...but at some point we have to take some personal responsibility and stop passing the buck to the government, other people etc... for everything. We are all well aware of the current dangers, so if your a mummy and daddy who let wee Johnny run about with 30 other kids it’s not the GAA clubs fault for being open, it’s yours for not being a responsible parent, because again, we all have a choice.

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« Reply #740 on: May 18, 2020, 04:23:12 PM »
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

Maybe in Dublin you don’t, but not everyone in Ireland is in Dublin. In some small towns and villages the GAA club is the only place you can SAFELY exercise; to go for a walk you might have walk along winding roads with no footpaths etc... and the dangers that brings (hence why the ‘light up Ireland‘ initiative has been so successful). Not  everyone or every community has access to the same amenities as the capital or the larger towns and cities.

Also I do agree with the posters saying that it would be very hard to police, all you have to do is look at the supermarkets whenever you stand in line two metres apart queuing for ages, then you get inside and people are all over you...but at some point we have to take some personal responsibility and stop passing the buck to the government, other people etc... for everything. We are all well aware of the current dangers, so if your a mummy and daddy who let wee Johnny run about with 30 other kids it’s not the GAA clubs fault for being open, it’s yours for not being a responsible parent, because again, we all have a choice.

The GAA cannot open their grounds - that is the directive and it wont change until it is medically safe to do so.

Everyone would love to be able to exercise safely....the same as everyone would like to play ball again - but it aint going to happen unfortunately.

This is a once in a generation pandemic - the most important thing is everyone you know comes out alive at the other end, please God.

Everything else can wait

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« Reply #741 on: May 18, 2020, 04:29:19 PM »
The GAA are is a no win scenario. They keep the grounds closed and people criticise them for not opening. If they do open the grounds and people start coming down with Covid-19 it'll only be a matter of time before people then start suing the clubs for not keeping them safe from the virus.

Personally the damage being done to economy and trying to get people back to work in a safe environment is much more relevant to me than opening GAA pitches. Colm might have alot of time on his hands without having to teach to focus on GAA, but he's in the minority.

Exactly, getting back to work and fixing the economy is more important TO YOU. To some people, going for a walk, or doing a bit of exercise or watching/playing GAA might be their only enjoyment or release and vital to both their mental and physical health. Therefore getting the pitches open again for whatever it might be (in a safe way of course) will be more important to them than the economy or going back to work. They are no more or less relevant than you or me. This virus effects people in different ways (both from a health and a social perspective) and depending on how it effects you, it will, either consciously or sub consciously, frame how you think this should be dealt with at both a micro and macro level. The important thing  is, whether it be work, schools, sport, whatever it may be, that it is done in the safest way possible for everyone. This is what the staged road map is attempting to do.

You don't need a GAA pitch to exercise. God know the footpaths are full of joggers these days. Everyone misses sport, but the GAA is amateur sport so why take any chances. At least with horse racing re-starting it gets people back to work and off the unemployment list.

Maybe in Dublin you don’t, but not everyone in Ireland is in Dublin. In some small towns and villages the GAA club is the only place you can SAFELY exercise; to go for a walk you might have walk along winding roads with no footpaths etc... and the dangers that brings (hence why the ‘light up Ireland‘ initiative has been so successful). Not  everyone or every community has access to the same amenities as the capital or the larger towns and cities.

Also I do agree with the posters saying that it would be very hard to police, all you have to do is look at the supermarkets whenever you stand in line two metres apart queuing for ages, then you get inside and people are all over you...but at some point we have to take some personal responsibility and stop passing the buck to the government, other people etc... for everything. We are all well aware of the current dangers, so if your a mummy and daddy who let wee Johnny run about with 30 other kids it’s not the GAA clubs fault for being open, it’s yours for not being a responsible parent, because again, we all have a choice.

The GAA cannot open their grounds - that is the directive and it wont change until it is medically safe to do so.

Everyone would love to be able to exercise safely....the same as everyone would like to play ball again - but it aint going to happen unfortunately.

This is a once in a generation pandemic - the most important thing is everyone you know comes out alive at the other end, please God.

Everything else can wait

When did i ever say it should be opened before it is safe to do so???? I I have included in almost every post I have put on this thread that it should be following the advice of the experts and when it is safe.

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« Reply #742 on: May 18, 2020, 04:41:24 PM »
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

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« Reply #743 on: May 18, 2020, 04:48:05 PM »
I don't think all insurance is removed.

https://ulster.gaa.ie/2020/03/ulster-gaa-update-on-club-insurance/

Great to know this, thank you.

Q,

Why doesn't the minister for sport or the Government come out and provide general indemnification to all sporting grounds, i.e.,
you cannot sue a GAA club or others, because you think you or a family member may have gotten Covid-19 while either practicing or attending an event there.

More than likely unconstitutional in the 26 anyway, taking away a oereons recourse to the Law.
The Government will be propping up/forking out enough €€€€ for Business support , Social Welfare etc  without indemnifying a voluntary pastime.
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« Reply #744 on: May 18, 2020, 04:57:22 PM »
ause you think you or a family member may have gotten Covid-19 while either practicing or attending an event there.

More than likely unconstitutional in the 26 anyway, taking away a oereons recourse to the Law.
The Government will be propping up/forking out enough €€€€ for Business support , Social Welfare etc  without indemnifying a voluntary pastime.

Nonsense - the first rule of joining any club or association is that by doing so you greatly restrict your rights to sue that club or association.

There is no need in any event for any indemnity or other scheme. If someone invades your personal space in any public place, it is a form of assault, you are well within your rights to report this to the Gardai or police. It usually will have little or nothing to do with the owner of the property. Otherwise every forest path and every council green in the land would be shut.

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« Reply #745 on: May 18, 2020, 05:14:17 PM »
The lockdown has never been about protecting young, healthy people from the virus. Where has that idea come from? Why are people arguing against this straw man?

It's about stopping young, healthy people (and everyone else) being a conduit for virus to not so young and not so healthy people.

Inherent in the argument that young, healthy people don't die, and should therefore be allowed to play away, is the notion that old and sick people should die so that this can happen. That's reprehensible.
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. IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it. So your young healthy footballer or worker or whatever will not be passing it on to someone vulnerable as they will still be isolating.

You wanted to....
IMO the best way forward would be to shield/lockdown/cocoon whatever you want to call it, those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it.

Not much of advice of experts or when its safe in this post though?

Just lock up one group of people and let the rest at it

You’ve taken one part of one message and totally ignored the context and the numerous other messages I have sent. So not much point trying to have a rationale discussion with you.

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« Reply #746 on: May 18, 2020, 05:20:33 PM »
ause you think you or a family member may have gotten Covid-19 while either practicing or attending an event there.

More than likely unconstitutional in the 26 anyway, taking away a oereons recourse to the Law.
The Government will be propping up/forking out enough €€€€ for Business support , Social Welfare etc  without indemnifying a voluntary pastime.

Nonsense - the first rule of joining any club or association is that by doing so you greatly restrict your rights to sue that club or association.

There is no need in any event for any indemnity or other scheme. If someone invades your personal space in any public place, it is a form of assault, you are well within your rights to report this to the Gardai or police. It usually will have little or nothing to do with the owner of the property. Otherwise every forest path and every council green in the land would be shut.
I wont be hiring you if I ever have recourse to Law.
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« Reply #747 on: May 18, 2020, 05:29:53 PM »
I wont be hiring you if I ever have recourse to Law.

What did I get wrong?

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« Reply #748 on: May 18, 2020, 05:56:34 PM »
If you and I are at a match in some club ground and say 2 skates blew off the roof and clattered into us.
You're a member of that club , I'm not.
You'll find we both are entitled to compo and can certainly sue.
Now if you've signed some arrangement with the club not to sue them.....fine but that doesn't absolve them of responsibility.
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« Reply #749 on: May 18, 2020, 06:03:33 PM »
If you and I are at a match in some club ground and say 2 skates blew off the roof and clattered into us.
You're a member of that club , I'm not.
You'll find we both are entitled to compo and can certainly sue.
Now if you've signed some arrangement with the club not to sue them.....fine but that doesn't absolve them of responsibility.

You misread what I said. There is a difference between "greatly restrict" and "eliminate".

As long as you and I are members of the GAA, the scope each of us have to sue the GAA is indeed quite limited. The example of slates falling off a roof is a bad one as we're well entitled to be covered against injury arising from GAA negligence while on GAA property, even if we happen to be members.

If your young lad or mine gets his jaw broken at school, there's a good chance that the school will be held at least partly liable. If the same happens him while playing - and he can't legally play without being a member - he'd be wasting his time suing the GAA. And on that basis, if he catches Covid while playing, he'll have his work cut out in suing the GAA.
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