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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #165 on: February 13, 2020, 07:01:51 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #166 on: February 13, 2020, 07:47:56 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

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Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

I don’t want to be the one to break it to you but Rory Gallagher isn’t exactly a paragon of virtue when it comes to non cynical play.
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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #167 on: February 13, 2020, 09:19:35 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you haven’t watched Kerry play a lot

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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #168 on: February 13, 2020, 09:24:53 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

Declan Bogue is a fermanagh man.
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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #169 on: February 14, 2020, 08:13:20 AM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you haven’t watched Kerry play a lot

"Cynicism" as Gaelige = "Cute Hoorism".

That's why you never hear of Kerry person admit their players were cynical........they were only ever being 'cute'

Apart from Tadgh...who came clean on it...

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/kennelly-admits-final-marker-was-premeditated-26574621.html

And Gooch who admits everyone is at it...

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0711/1061519-cooper-the-best-teams-use-cynical-fouling/

or maybe Mark O'Se    ~"‘Yes, Kerry are cynical, but what county isn’t?’

The former Kerry great outlined how nearly all the best teams had players and an attitude of never hesitating “to do what was required”."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/only-in-gaelic-football-is-smart-cynical-fouling-a-kpi-467089.html

And the sideline view... "Clever fouling helped too, as Kerry stopped Tipperary illegally 22 times in total, 11 in each half"

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/game-changer-kerry-more-cynical-and-clinical-than-tipperary-28713

or "Dublin can themselves point to Kerry cynicism in the closing stages of the 2017 league final when Anthony Maher pulled down Mick Fitzsimons about 50 metres out and from the resultant kick, Dean Rock struck an upright and Kerry hung on. Again it paid off for the aggressor"

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-keys-rule-changes-will-never-kill-cynical-play-just-look-at-the-conclusion-to-dublin-v-kerry-38901767.html

Maybe look at black cards...

https://www.wearedublin.com/football/kerry-most-cynical-team-in-country-as-they-top-black-card-list/

But sure it's only them aul Tyrone wans at it.....


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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #170 on: February 14, 2020, 09:37:49 AM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you haven’t watched Kerry play a lot

"Cynicism" as Gaelige = "Cute Hoorism".

That's why you never hear of Kerry person admit their players were cynical........they were only ever being 'cute'

Apart from Tadgh...who came clean on it...

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/kennelly-admits-final-marker-was-premeditated-26574621.html

And Gooch who admits everyone is at it...

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0711/1061519-cooper-the-best-teams-use-cynical-fouling/

or maybe Mark O'Se    ~"‘Yes, Kerry are cynical, but what county isn’t?’

The former Kerry great outlined how nearly all the best teams had players and an attitude of never hesitating “to do what was required”."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/only-in-gaelic-football-is-smart-cynical-fouling-a-kpi-467089.html

And the sideline view... "Clever fouling helped too, as Kerry stopped Tipperary illegally 22 times in total, 11 in each half"

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/game-changer-kerry-more-cynical-and-clinical-than-tipperary-28713

or "Dublin can themselves point to Kerry cynicism in the closing stages of the 2017 league final when Anthony Maher pulled down Mick Fitzsimons about 50 metres out and from the resultant kick, Dean Rock struck an upright and Kerry hung on. Again it paid off for the aggressor"

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-keys-rule-changes-will-never-kill-cynical-play-just-look-at-the-conclusion-to-dublin-v-kerry-38901767.html

Maybe look at black cards...

https://www.wearedublin.com/football/kerry-most-cynical-team-in-country-as-they-top-black-card-list/

But sure it's only them aul Tyrone wans at it.....

It's just the media narrative though. People continue to throw mud at Tyrone without any foundation and it sticks.

2015 was a seminal year in bullshit claims against Tyrone:

- The Declan Bonner claim - dismissed by the Ulster Council, findings agreed with by Donegal board and statements that the player never even alleged what Bonner said.
- The Tipp manager's sour grapes after the U21 final - something again disputed by the stats, Tipp committed more fouls and McShane was punched, dragged and stamped as Tipp couldn't contain him. The stamp was a blatant act of thuggery and had the ref spotted it early doors, the game wouldn't have been a contest
- The McCann incident - embarrassing for Tyrone, embarrassing for McCann but not half as embarrassing as for those whose faux outrage and calls for apologies and talking about bad smells dominated the airways. The hysteria led to an unprecedented ban, a year or two later RTE pundits were awkwardly look at their shoes desperately trying to excuse Aidan O'Shea from cheating Fermanagh out of the Championship - a player with a history of theatrics in an AI semi final that also got no coverage.
- The Sunday Game issuing a five minute segment of Justy McMahon's man marking job on Murphy. Something Murphy is well used to, he had to take digs to the ribs, yapping and all sorts of cynical play from the masters of the dark arts in Kerry in the AI final the previous season when Aidan O'Mahony used every illegal trick in the book and most of it under the nose of officials, of course as we all well know by now - it's not the crime that matters - it's who the victim is or who the offender is.

Each time something happened the logbook of bullshit and bogus claims is propped up, Tyrone seem to be the only county with no statute of limitations. Kerry seem to have a 10 minute statue of limitations.

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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #171 on: February 14, 2020, 12:15:10 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you haven’t watched Kerry play a lot

I have been going the 50 year Tom do I know them better than you. My husband a Mayo man says I often bias towards my county 🤣🤣🤣

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« Reply #172 on: February 14, 2020, 01:31:51 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

Declan Bogue is a fermanagh man.

Who has said publicly many times that living and working in Tyrone has turned him into a Tyrone supporter.

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« Reply #173 on: February 14, 2020, 04:53:41 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you haven’t watched Kerry play a lot

I have been going the 50 year Tom do I know them better than you. My husband a Mayo man says I often bias towards my county 🤣🤣🤣

Then you will have seen plenty of cynicism from Kerry.

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« Reply #174 on: February 14, 2020, 05:48:31 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you haven’t watched Kerry play a lot

I have been going the 50 year Tom do I know them better than you. My husband a Mayo man says I often bias towards my county 🤣🤣🤣

Then you will have seen plenty of cynicism from Kerry.

I haven't.  Just honest and fair football

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« Reply #175 on: February 14, 2020, 05:58:57 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you haven’t watched Kerry play a lot

I have been going the 50 year Tom do I know them better than you. My husband a Mayo man says I often bias towards my county 🤣🤣🤣

Then you will have seen plenty of cynicism from Kerry.

I haven't.  Just honest and fair football

Are you about the Kerry ladies team?

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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #176 on: February 14, 2020, 06:21:41 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you haven’t watched Kerry play a lot

I have been going the 50 year Tom do I know them better than you. My husband a Mayo man says I often bias towards my county 🤣🤣🤣

Then you will have seen plenty of cynicism from Kerry.

I haven't.  Just honest and fair football

Are you about the Kerry ladies team?

No

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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #177 on: February 16, 2020, 07:09:55 AM »
Lads would you all stop engaging with this Kingdom37 person. Clearly a good WUM, but that's the height of it.
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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #178 on: February 16, 2020, 10:22:14 AM »
Lads would you all stop engaging with this Kingdom37 person. Clearly a good WUM, but that's the height of it.

Sadly I suspect Kingdom37’s view is fairly widely held in Kerry.
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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #179 on: February 16, 2020, 01:24:47 PM »
Lads would you all stop engaging with this Kingdom37 person. Clearly a good WUM, but that's the height of it.

Excuse me I'm genuine.  Ronan Keating had a good song one time. You should look up the lyrics.