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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #150 on: February 13, 2020, 11:07:34 AM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #153 on: February 13, 2020, 11:42:21 AM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #154 on: February 13, 2020, 12:10:31 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

Not at all, Dublin also excel in the field of the dark arts, i would have done the same at that stage of the game myself and iv no problem with it, got over the line...

Kerry are not holier than thou though.
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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #155 on: February 13, 2020, 12:23:08 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

Not at all, Dublin also excel in the field of the dark arts, i would have done the same at that stage of the game myself and iv no problem with it, got over the line...

Kerry are not holier than thou though.
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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #157 on: February 13, 2020, 12:43:30 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.
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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #158 on: February 13, 2020, 12:51:43 PM »
Lads, when Kerry do what Tyrone cynically do itís called laying down a marker. Nothing more. Nothing less

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« Reply #159 on: February 13, 2020, 02:21:19 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

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Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #160 on: February 13, 2020, 02:29:21 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

Not at all, Dublin also excel in the field of the dark arts, i would have done the same at that stage of the game myself and iv no problem with it, got over the line...

Kerry are not holier than thou though.
Bang on! Didn't I always say you talk a lot of sense-- some of the time anyway!

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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #161 on: February 13, 2020, 02:31:06 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

Bogue is from Fermanagh.

Other counties don't get the scrutiny, the O'Mahony dive was forgotten about in a couple of hours. The McCann incident went on week after.

The problem for Derry folk is that they stopped being relevant decades ago so wouldn't have any comprehension of the same bias that would be afforded to them if they stayed out at the top.

Nobody in Tyrone pretends we are holier than thou, that's what the likes of Kerry do. All we ask is for balance. Peter Harte has suffered more from cynicism than Clifford has in intercounty football and Clifford is no saint either, remember his role in getting the Kildare keeper his marching orders in his debut season.

Try and bring some balance to the table for once, leave the bitterness at the door.

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« Reply #162 on: February 13, 2020, 02:50:58 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

Only leaves Tickle left. Has he been about?

Kerry have received very little attention on the Peter Harte sending off, in the same game, in similar circumstances.
Not that it matters, cynical play has been a part of the GAA for years and will be, same as most other team sports. As long as there's rules, teams will try to avoid them, use then, bend them, break them in the search to be more competitive.  Which is why we constantly see reactive new rules being implemented into the GAA.
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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #163 on: February 13, 2020, 02:56:04 PM »
Art McRory must have been a savage witty man have heard some great spakes from him. Not really old enough to remember thm at the time.

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« Reply #164 on: February 13, 2020, 06:51:36 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

Only leaves Tickle left. Has he been about?

Kerry have received very little attention on the Peter Harte sending off, in the same game, in similar circumstances.
Not that it matters, cynical play has been a part of the GAA for years and will be, same as most other team sports. As long as there's rules, teams will try to avoid them, use then, bend them, break them in the search to be more competitive.  Which is why we constantly see reactive new rules being implemented into the GAA.

What did Harte get sent off for