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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #135 on: February 12, 2020, 02:21:08 PM »
Jesus lads anyone with any sense knows what went on there. Ben McDonnell, a midfielder....or half forward I suppose. Finds himself taken from the bench and winds up down in the full back line picking up Clifford with the game in the balance and getting involved in a tangle? Oldest trick in the book.

McDonnell played a lot of last season as a sweeper, including the Donegal game.

He man marked Ciaran Kilkenny when we played Dublin in the league last year.

He has never played half forward for Tyrone, primarily midfield or somwhere in the half back line, usually in a sweeping role.
His position is neither here nor there. Good job of avoiding his point and the topic at hand. He was sent on to provoke DC. End.

So why did you bring it up?
I didn't. I think you'll find GOTB and Angelo did if you can read correctly. The issue is that his position doesn't matter, he was a sub sent on for the sole purpose to provoke DC. Angelo chose to avoid GOTB's point and irrelevantly nit pick about what position he usually plays, that wasn't the topic of discussion.

I addressed an inaccuracy from GOTB which tried to reason that McDonnell would have gone out of his way to start something, he has regularly played in the Tyrone half back line and as a sweeper, he has never played as a half forward that I can recall with Tyrone. So it's certainly relevant and I didn't bring his position in to the matter, I have only sought to clarify misleading information - again important in balance.

The crux of the matter is that there is no conclusive evidence to say what happened with certainty, we're all just speculating.
Right so he usually plays half back and not midfield or HF as he thought, who cares, doesn't make a bit of difference.
ANY player, defender or not, is capable of coming on in the final stages of a game and taking one for the team by starting a rowing match and wrestling a boy to the ground. That's the point.
I agree it's speculation, but I'm sure a sane Tyrone fan would admit that Clifford wasn't at fault here, and the referee wanted to even things up.

I'm reading some of these comments in disbelief, you boys must not have played any ball. I'm from Tyrone, I was at the game, I seen the incident. McDonnell was sent on for one reason, one reason only. Job done.

Is it right? No. Do I condone it? No. Will it happen next week to a lesser player to no outrage? Yes. Does the punishment received by McDonnell fit the crime? No.

That's pretty much the end of this one lads. Every county and club (at any decent level) will do something similar in the coming weeks and months....it's the game. In my opinion the referee couldn't wait to get himself on TV throughout.
I'm literally saying the exact same thing.

That's why i got mixed up between the two of ye!  ;)
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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #136 on: February 12, 2020, 06:28:30 PM »
Has Clifford been charged yet for his reaction to the red card?

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« Reply #137 on: February 12, 2020, 07:07:09 PM »
Has Clifford been charged yet for his reaction to the red card?

Charged with what? At giving off to officials? Been to any games recently? Happens in under12 games weekly!
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« Reply #138 on: February 12, 2020, 08:00:34 PM »
Has Clifford been charged yet for his reaction to the red card?

Charged with what? At giving off to officials? Been to any games recently? Happens in under12 games weekly!

He was more than giving off. When managers can get a 12 week ban for the same thing why arenít players? And maybe if players do get made an example of it will stop it happening at U12 games

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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #139 on: February 12, 2020, 08:54:45 PM »
Has Clifford been charged yet for his reaction to the red card?

Charged with what? At giving off to officials? Been to any games recently? Happens in under12 games weekly!

He was more than giving off. When managers can get a 12 week ban for the same thing why arenít players? And maybe if players do get made an example of it will stop it happening at U12 games

Depends on the language used.

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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #140 on: February 12, 2020, 09:32:35 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

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« Reply #141 on: February 12, 2020, 09:47:57 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.

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« Reply #142 on: February 12, 2020, 10:05:25 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.

So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?
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« Reply #143 on: February 13, 2020, 07:29:25 AM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

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« Reply #144 on: February 13, 2020, 07:43:23 AM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #145 on: February 13, 2020, 08:15:21 AM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

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« Reply #146 on: February 13, 2020, 08:52:55 AM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017


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Re: David Clifford protection
« Reply #148 on: February 13, 2020, 09:55:20 AM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."
That was never a square ball!!

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« Reply #149 on: February 13, 2020, 10:14:55 AM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.