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« Reply #17790 on: December 01, 2021, 04:28:19 PM »
Can someone explain the logic of ramping up a booster programme that will soon be made redundant by omicrons mutations?
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« Reply #17791 on: December 01, 2021, 04:42:07 PM »
Can someone explain the logic of ramping up a booster programme that will soon be made redundant by omicrons mutations?
Is it definitely useless against Omicron? I suppose given the level of Delta currently around it makes sense to still protect against it. I’m in on Thursday to get both booster and flu shot.
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« Reply #17792 on: December 01, 2021, 04:50:47 PM »
Can someone explain the logic of ramping up a booster programme that will soon be made redundant by omicrons mutations?

Do we know that it will be redundant?

Or just less effective?

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« Reply #17793 on: December 01, 2021, 04:54:28 PM »
Can someone explain the logic of ramping up a booster programme that will soon be made redundant by omicrons mutations?

Do we know that it will be redundant?

Or just less effective?
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« Reply #17794 on: December 01, 2021, 04:57:17 PM »
Can someone explain the logic of ramping up a booster programme that will soon be made redundant by omicrons mutations?

Do we know that it will be redundant?

Or just less effective?
moderna made 14 million profit in 2019 so far this year it’s about 11 billion for 3 quarters

That they're on a similar course to 2019 is relevant to what I said, how, exactly?

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« Reply #17795 on: December 01, 2021, 05:51:52 PM »
Can someone explain the logic of ramping up a booster programme that will soon be made redundant by omicrons mutations?

Pfizer are saying their vaccine still gives really good protection from omicron based on preliminary data. Delta is still dominant and will be for a while yet so it’s good to get as much protection from it also.

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« Reply #17796 on: December 01, 2021, 09:14:49 PM »
moderna made 14 million profit in 2019 so far this year it’s about 11 billion for 3 quarters

That they're on a similar course to 2019 is relevant to what I said, how, exactly?

For once he's right.

Net income up to end Sept is plus ~ $7 billion.
Same period in 2020 was minus ~ $0.5 billion.
Same period in 2019 was minus ~ $0.4 billion.
Same period in 2018 was minus ~ $0.25 billion.

That's pretty hideous.


Of course, as you say, is that relevant to whether the vaccine is redundant or just less effective?
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« Reply #17797 on: December 01, 2021, 10:05:37 PM »
Is it only Pfizer doing boosters?
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« Reply #17798 on: December 01, 2021, 11:31:34 PM »
Is it only Pfizer doing boosters?
Moderna in the chemists and GP surgeries I think and Pfizer in hospital/mass vaccination settings due to storage requirements.

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« Reply #17799 on: December 01, 2021, 11:36:35 PM »
Can someone explain the logic of ramping up a booster programme that will soon be made redundant by omicrons mutations?
Is it definitely useless against Omicron? I suppose given the level of Delta currently around it makes sense to still protect against it. I’m in on Thursday to get both booster and flu shot.
They won't stop the booster programme. The annual flu jab gets adjusted all the time depending on what's in circulation in the community so "in theory" I'd expect the booster to get adjusted (if required) and new batches released seamlessly, however the murmurings seem to suggest existing vaccines will give a good level of protection, but time will tell.

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« Reply #17800 on: December 01, 2021, 11:59:56 PM »
Regardless of which side your on ... I reckon this is worth 30 minutes of anyones time even if its just to test their own current beliefs about this whole hashter (including how they perceive 'the other side')

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Paul Kingsnorth sees the vaccine wars as symptomatic of a bigger division between two fundamentally different world views: he calls them “thesis” and “antithesis.” When it comes to Covid, “thesis” is the establishment viewpoint: that lockdowns are needed to contain the virus, masks work, vaccines are safe, and people who question them are wrongheaded or worse. When Covid-19 first struck, Kingsnorth took the “thesis” viewpoint.

But over the last few months, his perspective changed. As he  in today’s UnHerd, the crystallising moment arrived when he woke up to the news that the Austrian government had ‘interned an entire third of the population’. This move, he writes, sent a ‘chill down my spine’.

The “antithesis” view can be summed up as: lockdowns are not needed, masks do not work, the safety and efficacy of the vaccines are being oversold, vaccine passports will not only fail but further segregate society, and in the near future we can expect Giradian scapegoating of the unvaccinated. In other words, we are positioned on the precipice of a slippery slope that leads towards increasingly draconian biopolitical control measures, the grip of which is unlikely to release even once the pandemic is over.

In a conversation with Freddie Sayers on this week’s UnHerdTV, he explains this division and the bigger epistemological divides it reveals. “People are arguing about vaccines,” he says, “but they’re really under the surface arguing about what kind of person you are if you have taken these things, whether you’re a good or a bad person, or clean or unclean one”.

In Kingsnorth’s view, each of us has a line that cannot be crossed. And his has now been reached.


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Kingsnorth is a nut. He is a former environmental campaigner (he protested against motorway building in England back in the 1990s) now turned evangelical Christian.

In 2009 he wrote with relish of a "cleansing catastrophe" in the earth's climate and eco-systems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncivilization_(manifesto)

And he has carried that "thinking" through to Covid, calling the virus a "delicious sign". These are not the words of somebody who values human life or avoiding mass human suffering.

And it is entirely in keeping with the carry on of the rapture fiends which infest evangelical Christianity.

Whatever sort of a world Kingsnorth wants to live in, I don't want to live in.

"Rip it up and start again" might be a good song by Orange Juice but a serious view of the world it is most definitely not. The world doesn't work that way. It is nihilism.

George Monbiot, who is a former friend of his, has been damning about his turn to the nihilist right.






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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #17801 on: December 02, 2021, 12:26:43 PM »
moderna made 14 million profit in 2019 so far this year it’s about 11 billion for 3 quarters

That they're on a similar course to 2019 is relevant to what I said, how, exactly?

For once he's right.

Net income up to end Sept is plus ~ $7 billion.
Same period in 2020 was minus ~ $0.5 billion.
Same period in 2019 was minus ~ $0.4 billion.
Same period in 2018 was minus ~ $0.25 billion.

That's pretty hideous.


Of course, as you say, is that relevant to whether the vaccine is redundant or just less effective?

Actually, he IS right on the profit.

Million... billion.

My bad.

That still said... relevance?

Pandemics are a godsend for companies that can produce vaccines. Is that not the way the free market, (formerly?) worshipped by the GOP, is supposed to work?

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« Reply #17802 on: December 02, 2021, 06:35:07 PM »
I see in Australia they have “voluntary “quarantine camps surrounded by barbed wire fencing to lock up the natives , lockdowns and removal of rights of unvaccinated all over Europe, if you said any of this could happen 6 months ago you would be called conspiracy theorist or tin foil hat guy , what will be next I wonder , All the while double and triple jabbed people keep testing positive.

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« Reply #17804 on: December 03, 2021, 07:03:57 PM »
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/cabinet-agrees-to-introduce-nphet-rules-on-household-visits-and-hospitality-41116329.html

Whos going to run with 50% capacity for upcoming events that has booked out at 100%. They'll all likely be cancelled now

The nightclubs are sure to be very busy this weekend as the last until at least a month.

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