One thing the English have excelled in since time immemorial is statistics and keeping records.
The ONS have released a preliminary comprehensive stats report for deaths in 2020. They're included in this document.
https://tinyurl.com/y37h42gj
One outstanding stat is the high nr of excess deaths recorded in England's nursing homes during the 1st wave. And after the first wave excess deaths were kept at a minimum in those homes.
2020 covid death statistics are compared to flu/pneumonia figures, similar figures but
approx 85% of covid deaths were due to covid, whereas 85% of flu/pneumonia death were not due to flu/pneumonia, but where the disease was a contributing factor
Franko and Milltown will take your head off for posting that.
What drugs are you on?!?
Figure 2 - compare and contrast the "Deaths where the disease was a contributing factor" vs. "Deaths due to the disease" within the bar charts.
Also, consider the context of one free to spread in normal societal interactions the other spreading when the country is taking drastic measures to reduce transmission vectors.
Figure 3 - the number of deaths due to non-covid factors are beneath the 5 yr average, and mostly have been since mid October. Expect that to climb again now with the collapsed NHS though.
This is why people hate "debating" with you - you post up stuff either without looking at it, or having the intelligence to interpret it correctly. Dunno which, but while its merely annoying to read the blatantly incorrect rubbish, its infuriating to think your spreading the same rubbish to people who might listen.
Christ almighty. The stupidity and blind ignorance dripping out of that post is obscene.
The answers to these questions will completely wipeout your argument which is probably why you won't answer them.
1. Do we test for flu? For contrast the UK has carried out a recorded 62m tests for Covid. How many flu tests have been carried out?
2. How many positive cases of flu have been confirmed? There have been 3.2m confirmed cases of Covid due to the mass testing in place.
3. Look at the arbitrary way in which we record deahts. We know that if you die within 28 days of a positive Covid test you are classified as a Covid death, arbitrarily. See snippet below from a BBC report, link attached. Also see the note on the attached on the published NISRA figures
BBC report:
A further
1,564 people have died in the UK within 28 days of a positive Covid test - the biggest figure reported in a single day since the pandemic began.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55653161Absolutely no distinction made between whether they died with Covid or from Covid, whether someone who was on a life support machine after a road traffic accident picked it up in hospital an died days later - Covid death etc. The figures are completely overstated and completely skewed.
The note on the NISRA website accompanying their figures:
1 Covid-19 deaths include any death where Coronavirus or Covid-19 (suspected or confirmed) was mentioned anywhere on the death certificate.Once again an arbitrary method where once Covid is mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, you're a Covid death irrespective of what role (if any) it played.
These are facts, acknowledged by the relevant recording bodies but established facts seem to hold little sway into you acknowledging how misleading the death statistics are. Now apply that arbitrary fashion of recording death and presume we did the same with flu. Presume 62m flu tests were carried out in a year and any person that died within 28 days of a positive flu test was recorded as flu death. Do you think under this criteria flu deaths would be overstated? Again your willingness or unwillingness to address this question is vital. We have established facts that people like you seem intent on ignoring.
Finally "beneath the 5 year average". How did the winter flu season of 17/18 read with the 5 year average prior to that? 50k excess deaths over the normal for that time of year was the reported figure for the UK. In the O6, we had a record 2,101 death toll for a month in January 2018, something yet to be surpassed during Covid as of yet. And nobody even batted an eyelid about it. Why was that?
You have the floor now. It will be interesting to see how you formulate a response, will you actually be able to address what I said with facts or will you resort to hysterical accusations, lie and insults which seems to the modus operandi from the other posters in discussing the differences here.
