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« Reply #11715 on: January 12, 2021, 10:45:00 PM »
Who didnít bat an eyelid?

Someone posted many links to headlines about that really bad flu of 17/18 but you keep saying no one said a thing!

Really bizarre.

You question the admissions as if people are in for other illnesses rather than Covid.

You probably were one of the twits that believe those photos of empty wards!

Have you a link to this information you quoted earlier:?

 We do know hospitals are a major part of the transmission and people who were admitted for other reasons than Covid are again included in the Covid numbers.

You for one.

If you have posts on here where you outlined your concerns back then, please post them up.

Once again you look for links and verification from others but you seem happy to put forward arguments which are completely lacking logic, are in direct conflict with your own rationale and can't provide anything of substance to validate your own contradictory views.

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-transmission-hospitals/
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« Reply #11716 on: January 12, 2021, 10:47:02 PM »
I have not posted on here in a good while. I never really took posting on here that serious and done my fair share of WUM craic, I dip in and out but have been reading this tread recently. I work over a couple of the acute hospitals in the north, the bulk of my work is in emergency departments and medical admission wards. Angelo please believe me when I say this is very real, covid positive patients are lying on trolleys in corridors in emergency departments waiting for beds in the wards that just are not there. Till now the number of deaths have been kept low due to treatment being readily available, this is an option fast running out, where once everyone stood a fighting chance now the hard choices are having to be made. Not by you though Angelo. You just have to stay in as much as you can. I do not have a link too exactly how many patients are admitted with Covid but i do have access to the northern Ireland electronic care record which i monitor every time I am on duty, every 3-4 people in are with shortness of breath, I wonder why??, the majority over 65 but plenty in the 30, 40s and 50s. This is far far worse than the first wave. I have no links, no stats. Just what I see.

I've never said it's not real but there is a lot of misinformation flying out there.

Is not hard to countenance for people how we accepted a level of death in Jan 2018 without batting an eyelid that has yet to be reached yet during any month of Coivd when hysteria is running wild.
How many lock downs were in place in 2018?

Don't know, we did not seem to care about spiraling death rates in 2017/18.

Youíll hardly care as itíll get rid of the elderly a weak

Why didn't you care in 2017/18? Did you decide to become sanctimonious this year or did you just find the perfect storm to virtue signal.

In 2018 you didn't seem to give a shit about the elderly and weak so tell me what has changed for you?
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« Reply #11717 on: January 12, 2021, 10:48:19 PM »
I have not posted on here in a good while. I never really took posting on here that serious and done my fair share of WUM craic, I dip in and out but have been reading this tread recently. I work over a couple of the acute hospitals in the north, the bulk of my work is in emergency departments and medical admission wards. Angelo please believe me when I say this is very real, covid positive patients are lying on trolleys in corridors in emergency departments waiting for beds in the wards that just are not there. Till now the number of deaths have been kept low due to treatment being readily available, this is an option fast running out, where once everyone stood a fighting chance now the hard choices are having to be made. Not by you though Angelo. You just have to stay in as much as you can. I do not have a link too exactly how many patients are admitted with Covid but i do have access to the northern Ireland electronic care record which i monitor every time I am on duty, every 3-4 people in are with shortness of breath, I wonder why??, the majority over 65 but plenty in the 30, 40s and 50s. This is far far worse than the first wave. I have no links, no stats. Just what I see.

I've never said it's not real but there is a lot of misinformation flying out there.

Is not hard to countenance for people how we accepted a level of death in Jan 2018 without batting an eyelid that has yet to be reached yet during any month of Coivd when hysteria is running wild.
How many lock downs were in place in 2018?

Don't know, we did not seem to care about spiraling death rates in 2017/18.
You donít know how many lock downs there were in 2018? Iíll give you a clue. Less than 1.
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« Reply #11718 on: January 12, 2021, 10:51:14 PM »
I have not posted on here in a good while. I never really took posting on here that serious and done my fair share of WUM craic, I dip in and out but have been reading this tread recently. I work over a couple of the acute hospitals in the north, the bulk of my work is in emergency departments and medical admission wards. Angelo please believe me when I say this is very real, covid positive patients are lying on trolleys in corridors in emergency departments waiting for beds in the wards that just are not there. Till now the number of deaths have been kept low due to treatment being readily available, this is an option fast running out, where once everyone stood a fighting chance now the hard choices are having to be made. Not by you though Angelo. You just have to stay in as much as you can. I do not have a link too exactly how many patients are admitted with Covid but i do have access to the northern Ireland electronic care record which i monitor every time I am on duty, every 3-4 people in are with shortness of breath, I wonder why??, the majority over 65 but plenty in the 30, 40s and 50s. This is far far worse than the first wave. I have no links, no stats. Just what I see.

I've never said it's not real but there is a lot of misinformation flying out there.

Is not hard to countenance for people how we accepted a level of death in Jan 2018 without batting an eyelid that has yet to be reached yet during any month of Coivd when hysteria is running wild.
How many lock downs were in place in 2018?

Don't know, we did not seem to care about spiraling death rates in 2017/18.
You donít know how many lock downs there were in 2018? Iíll give you a clue. Less than 1.

And why weren't there any? How many lives were lost that could have been saved?

Why was nobody shouting for lockdowns to save lives in 2017/18?
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« Reply #11719 on: January 12, 2021, 10:51:53 PM »
I have not posted on here in a good while. I never really took posting on here that serious and done my fair share of WUM craic, I dip in and out but have been reading this tread recently. I work over a couple of the acute hospitals in the north, the bulk of my work is in emergency departments and medical admission wards. Angelo please believe me when I say this is very real, covid positive patients are lying on trolleys in corridors in emergency departments waiting for beds in the wards that just are not there. Till now the number of deaths have been kept low due to treatment being readily available, this is an option fast running out, where once everyone stood a fighting chance now the hard choices are having to be made. Not by you though Angelo. You just have to stay in as much as you can. I do not have a link too exactly how many patients are admitted with Covid but i do have access to the northern Ireland electronic care record which i monitor every time I am on duty, every 3-4 people in are with shortness of breath, I wonder why??, the majority over 65 but plenty in the 30, 40s and 50s. This is far far worse than the first wave. I have no links, no stats. Just what I see.
Very good post

46 dead in the Republic is the latest daily figure and I fear my father will be among these figures in the near future, he is on Day 10 and now has pneumonia, is being fed through a tube in his nose and fluids through IV, I find it hard to see him make it through to be honest

He is afraid and alone and my heart is breaking over it, I spent nearly ten months doing everything I could to keep Covid out, I haven't been in a pub since the start of March, I succeeded in keeping it out but he got it when he had go to hospital for a treatable non-Covid medical problem

Wake the f**k up Angelo and stop spreading shite, you know you're talking shite and so does everybody else, I honestly don't get your game

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« Reply #11720 on: January 12, 2021, 10:53:35 PM »
Like anyone takes you seriously Angelo   ;D


Read through that, words like probable and no data in that. So they doní  know. Said maybe 10% 20 % of cases could have been caught in hospital, they like others caught Covid, same way being in a supermarket or a pub or anywhere, that means 90% to 80% of cases were caught outside of hospital.

Do they still have Covid regardless of where they get it?


We all know places like care homes and hospitals where a hotbed of Covid activity
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« Reply #11721 on: January 12, 2021, 10:55:11 PM »
I have not posted on here in a good while. I never really took posting on here that serious and done my fair share of WUM craic, I dip in and out but have been reading this tread recently. I work over a couple of the acute hospitals in the north, the bulk of my work is in emergency departments and medical admission wards. Angelo please believe me when I say this is very real, covid positive patients are lying on trolleys in corridors in emergency departments waiting for beds in the wards that just are not there. Till now the number of deaths have been kept low due to treatment being readily available, this is an option fast running out, where once everyone stood a fighting chance now the hard choices are having to be made. Not by you though Angelo. You just have to stay in as much as you can. I do not have a link too exactly how many patients are admitted with Covid but i do have access to the northern Ireland electronic care record which i monitor every time I am on duty, every 3-4 people in are with shortness of breath, I wonder why??, the majority over 65 but plenty in the 30, 40s and 50s. This is far far worse than the first wave. I have no links, no stats. Just what I see.
Very good post

46 dead in the Republic is the latest daily figure and I fear my father will be among these figures in the near future, he is on Day 10 and now has pneumonia, is being fed through a tube in his nose and fluids through IV, I find it hard to see him make it through to be honest

He is afraid and alone and my heart is breaking over it, I spent nearly ten months doing everything I could to keep Covid out, I haven't been in a pub since the start of March, I succeeded in keeping it out but he got it when he had go to hospital for a treatable non-Covid medical problem

Wake the f**k up Angelo and stop spreading shite, you know you're talking shite and so does everybody else, I honestly don't get your game

What shite am I talking?

That we were happy to let 2,101 die without a quibble in Jan 2018?

If anyone can post their outrage from back then please feel free to bump a few posts. Nobody batted an eyelid.
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« Reply #11722 on: January 12, 2021, 10:57:05 PM »
I have not posted on here in a good while. I never really took posting on here that serious and done my fair share of WUM craic, I dip in and out but have been reading this tread recently. I work over a couple of the acute hospitals in the north, the bulk of my work is in emergency departments and medical admission wards. Angelo please believe me when I say this is very real, covid positive patients are lying on trolleys in corridors in emergency departments waiting for beds in the wards that just are not there. Till now the number of deaths have been kept low due to treatment being readily available, this is an option fast running out, where once everyone stood a fighting chance now the hard choices are having to be made. Not by you though Angelo. You just have to stay in as much as you can. I do not have a link too exactly how many patients are admitted with Covid but i do have access to the northern Ireland electronic care record which i monitor every time I am on duty, every 3-4 people in are with shortness of breath, I wonder why??, the majority over 65 but plenty in the 30, 40s and 50s. This is far far worse than the first wave. I have no links, no stats. Just what I see.
Very good post

46 dead in the Republic is the latest daily figure and I fear my father will be among these figures in the near future, he is on Day 10 and now has pneumonia, is being fed through a tube in his nose and fluids through IV, I find it hard to see him make it through to be honest

He is afraid and alone and my heart is breaking over it, I spent nearly ten months doing everything I could to keep Covid out, I haven't been in a pub since the start of March, I succeeded in keeping it out but he got it when he had go to hospital for a treatable non-Covid medical problem

Wake the f**k up Angelo and stop spreading shite, you know you're talking shite and so does everybody else, I honestly don't get your game

What shite am I talking?

That we were happy to let 2,101 die without a quibble in Jan 2018?

If anyone can post their outrage from back then please feel free to bump a few posts. Nobody batted an eyelid.

Are you thick or blind?

You were given plenty links to the outrage of the 17/18 flu deaths! Honestly wise up
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« Reply #11723 on: January 12, 2021, 10:57:28 PM »
Like anyone takes you seriously Angelo   ;D


Read through that, words like probable and no data in that. So they doní  know. Said maybe 10% 20 % of cases could have been caught in hospital, they like others caught Covid, sane way being in a supermarket or a pub or anywhere, that means 90% to 80% of cases were caught outside of hospital.

Do they still have Covid regardless of where they get it?


We all know places like care homes and hospitals where a hotbed of Covid activity

I think tracking the transmission cases, particularly in a hospital where vulnerable people are would be quite important? Obviously you think collating this kind of information and acting on it is a waste of time though? The fact that they could act on this is a waste of time.
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« Reply #11724 on: January 12, 2021, 10:59:31 PM »
So you accept that up to 90% of Covid cases were caught outside of hospital?
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« Reply #11725 on: January 12, 2021, 10:59:50 PM »
I have not posted on here in a good while. I never really took posting on here that serious and done my fair share of WUM craic, I dip in and out but have been reading this tread recently. I work over a couple of the acute hospitals in the north, the bulk of my work is in emergency departments and medical admission wards. Angelo please believe me when I say this is very real, covid positive patients are lying on trolleys in corridors in emergency departments waiting for beds in the wards that just are not there. Till now the number of deaths have been kept low due to treatment being readily available, this is an option fast running out, where once everyone stood a fighting chance now the hard choices are having to be made. Not by you though Angelo. You just have to stay in as much as you can. I do not have a link too exactly how many patients are admitted with Covid but i do have access to the northern Ireland electronic care record which i monitor every time I am on duty, every 3-4 people in are with shortness of breath, I wonder why??, the majority over 65 but plenty in the 30, 40s and 50s. This is far far worse than the first wave. I have no links, no stats. Just what I see.

I've never said it's not real but there is a lot of misinformation flying out there.

Is not hard to countenance for people how we accepted a level of death in Jan 2018 without batting an eyelid that has yet to be reached yet during any month of Coivd when hysteria is running wild.
How many lock downs were in place in 2018?

Don't know, we did not seem to care about spiraling death rates in 2017/18.
You donít know how many lock downs there were in 2018? Iíll give you a clue. Less than 1.

And why weren't there any? How many lives were lost that could have been saved?

Why was nobody shouting for lockdowns to save lives in 2017/18?
Because month on month the comparable figures for 2020 read much worse than 2017-2018. Jan 2020 isnít over yet so at this stage we may indeed pass out 2018.  And that was still the worse year in 40 years.  And that is comparing a year with no lockdowns to one that has. And that was a overtly cold winter. And there were eyes batted.
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« Reply #11726 on: January 12, 2021, 11:00:21 PM »
I have not posted on here in a good while. I never really took posting on here that serious and done my fair share of WUM craic, I dip in and out but have been reading this tread recently. I work over a couple of the acute hospitals in the north, the bulk of my work is in emergency departments and medical admission wards. Angelo please believe me when I say this is very real, covid positive patients are lying on trolleys in corridors in emergency departments waiting for beds in the wards that just are not there. Till now the number of deaths have been kept low due to treatment being readily available, this is an option fast running out, where once everyone stood a fighting chance now the hard choices are having to be made. Not by you though Angelo. You just have to stay in as much as you can. I do not have a link too exactly how many patients are admitted with Covid but i do have access to the northern Ireland electronic care record which i monitor every time I am on duty, every 3-4 people in are with shortness of breath, I wonder why??, the majority over 65 but plenty in the 30, 40s and 50s. This is far far worse than the first wave. I have no links, no stats. Just what I see.
Very good post

46 dead in the Republic is the latest daily figure and I fear my father will be among these figures in the near future, he is on Day 10 and now has pneumonia, is being fed through a tube in his nose and fluids through IV, I find it hard to see him make it through to be honest

He is afraid and alone and my heart is breaking over it, I spent nearly ten months doing everything I could to keep Covid out, I haven't been in a pub since the start of March, I succeeded in keeping it out but he got it when he had go to hospital for a treatable non-Covid medical problem

Wake the f**k up Angelo and stop spreading shite, you know you're talking shite and so does everybody else, I honestly don't get your game

What shite am I talking?

That we were happy to let 2,101 die without a quibble in Jan 2018?

If anyone can post their outrage from back then please feel free to bump a few posts. Nobody batted an eyelid.

Are you thick or blind?

You were given plenty links to the outrage of the 17/18 flu deaths! Honestly wise up

Projecting again, petal.

You can't answer a single question, you neither have the balls or intelligence to be able to engage here.

All you have in your locker is completely unsubstantiated hysterical slurs.

Found a post yet on where you were fighting for the elderly and weak in 2017/18 when 2,101 people died in the O6 in January 2018.

Prove me wrong motormouth, show me you actually cared rather than use it as a vehicle for your painful sanctimony.
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« Reply #11727 on: January 12, 2021, 11:02:19 PM »

Because month on month the comparable figures for 2020 read much worse than 2017-2018. Jan 2020 isnít over yet so at this stage we may indeed pass out 2018.  And that was still the worse year in 40 years.  And that is comparing a year with no lockdowns to one that has. And that was a overtly cold winter. And there were eyes batted.

So what you're telling me 2,101 deaths in Jan 2018 was an acceptable death toll because what you have just done is justify that level of death.

It may pass Jan 2018 out, it may also not. But in Jan 2018 that level of death was acceptable, because Covid is about now, it's out.

It's shocking hypocrisy, ok to die from flu, not ok to die from Covid.
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« Reply #11728 on: January 12, 2021, 11:04:47 PM »
So you accept that up to 90% of Covid cases were caught outside of hospital?

I haven't accepted anything of the sort, you seem intent of attributing statements to me where I've said nothing of the sort.

Can you just try and stick to the truth for once.

You have any luck in finding your outrage during the winter flu season of 17/18 or was it a case you didn't bat an eyelid at that level of death. You just waited until 2020 to go on a crusade for the sick and elderly.

Your sanctimony is very, very cynical.
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« Reply #11729 on: January 12, 2021, 11:14:02 PM »

Because month on month the comparable figures for 2020 read much worse than 2017-2018. Jan 2020 isnít over yet so at this stage we may indeed pass out 2018.  And that was still the worse year in 40 years.  And that is comparing a year with no lockdowns to one that has. And that was a overtly cold winter. And there were eyes batted.

So what you're telling me 2,101 deaths in Jan 2018 was an acceptable death toll because what you have just done is justify that level of death.

It may pass Jan 2018 out, it may also not. But in Jan 2018 that level of death was acceptable, because Covid is about now, it's out.

It's shocking hypocrisy, ok to die from flu, not ok to die from Covid.

Itís not shocking hypocrisy. The excess deaths in 2018 werenít attributed to one reason. It was a number of reasons. Plus, which Iím sick of repeating, there was no lock downs so your not comparing like for like. Plus itís the worst winter death rate in 40 years. This is Covids first year. If you donít get this, then I donít really know what to say.

**Edit - I should add that even with al the drastic changes that were implemented in 2020. Nov and Dec 2020  are roughly 20% higher deaths than winter 2017. And thatís your worst year for comparison in 40 years. Your argument doesnít hold water at all.
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