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armaghniac

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #5610 on: May 24, 2020, 01:30:21 AM »
Ferguson warned of the possible calamity that could unfold were no lockdown measures taken. Given that the UK has the highest death toll in Europe even with lockdown measures, his warning was prescient, even if it was only what any reasonable person could see.

An individual instance of selfish behaviour on his part is in no way relevant to the validity of his work.

It's an individual instance of selfish behaviour. And he paid the price for it.

Will Cummings pay the price for his multiple instances of selfish and dangerous behaviour?

He will in me hoop.

If  you are a right wing commentator these two things are not the same at all, at all.


« Last Edit: May 24, 2020, 01:47:39 AM by armaghniac »
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sid waddell

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #5611 on: May 24, 2020, 01:43:49 AM »
Sure shite like that from O'Neill is as predictable as night following day. O'Neill is a literal fraud. There's no way he believes the shite he spouts, you'd have to be certifiable to do so. But he gets plenty of money from his "writing" and his frequent television appearances no doubt. And that's why he does what he does. He's a scam merchant, a performance con artist who preys on the gullible. One of the most shameless and most vile grifters I've ever seen.

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« Reply #5612 on: May 24, 2020, 06:35:36 AM »

Ferguson presumably didn't follow his own advice when he was ######## his bit on the side despite predicting up to 500000 deaths if we all don't self isolate.
He broke his own advice. But how does that invalidate his work, may I ask?
Either he couldn't keep away and was prepared to die in order to see his mistress given his 500000 death number or he didn't think the risk was as great as he was leading the public to believe.
You haven't explained how him breaking lockdown to visit his lover invalidates his work.

It showed a human fallibility and a selfishness on his part.

But that has no effect on the validity of his work.

It would appear you're not familiar with what conclusions his work came to.
His model is just that, a model and like all models it is based on assumptions. Paddy Power probably could build a model to predict the winner of the 2023 AI but it will make lots if assumptions and lots of best guesses. Based on the different approaches of different countries the 500k prediction seems way off to me.

His personal conduct is relevant in this case as it directly contradicts his advice.

Ferguson warned of the possible calamity that could unfold were no lockdown measures taken. Given that the UK has the highest death toll in Europe even with lockdown measures, his warning was prescient, even if it was only what any reasonable person could see.

An individual instance of selfish behaviour on his part is in no way relevant to the validity of his work.

It's an individual instance of selfish behaviour. And he paid the price for it.

Will Cummings pay the price for his multiple instances of selfish and dangerous behaviour?

He will in me hoop.
It depends on how the story develops and how the public reacts.

In a Yougov poll yesterday 52% said he should resign, 28% said he shouldn't and 20% didn't  know.
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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #5613 on: May 24, 2020, 10:31:45 AM »
 :DI first thought Sid was talking about our 'Neill :D
I have more respect for a man
that says what he means and
means what he says...

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #5614 on: May 24, 2020, 10:46:37 AM »
Your man Shapps trying to defend Cummings makes you very angry
Saying he stayed in the one place with the one family whilst he moved up to his second home
Knew the exact dates he travelled up but low and behold he didnít know some other information
As corrupt a government as you are likely to ever see
Lying scumbags of the highest degree
Time for Cummings and every single one of his mates who came out in support of him yesterday to resign
Why should we stick to the rules and then they twist it to suit him. It was car crash tv at the highest degree
Scumbags the lot of them
Boris needs to go too. Theresa May would have handled things better and thatís saying a lot.

sid waddell

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #5615 on: May 24, 2020, 11:54:15 AM »
It depends on how the story develops and how the public reacts.

In a Yougov poll yesterday 52% said he should resign, 28% said he shouldn't and 20% didn't  know.
The Tories may well engineer a Hotel California style ceremonial "checking out" for Cummings. But he will not leave.


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« Reply #5616 on: May 24, 2020, 11:57:18 AM »
I see on twitter the mirror have "new" witnesses who seen Cummings out and about despite his claims it didn't happen.

It looks like they've played it perfectly here. They put out part of the story giving Cummings the chance to come clean. Instead he lies and they put out the 2nd half of the story and they have him by the short and curlies.

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« Reply #5617 on: May 24, 2020, 12:27:35 PM »
Hope he doesn't go. Divide the Tories more, show the British public what kind of shysters they have in charge. At this stage, it may damage them more if he were to stay.
Gone into No. 10 at time of writing, so we'll see....

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #5618 on: May 24, 2020, 12:47:16 PM »
https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1264522634907340801

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Terrifying point by former Durham Police chief, Mike Barton, on BBC.  Given Cummingsí travels from the hotspot of London in early April when Durham and surrounds had low COVID-19 rates, he cannot rule out being a carrier of the disease which then killed more in the North East

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« Reply #5619 on: May 24, 2020, 01:00:03 PM »
https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1264522634907340801

Peter Jukes
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Terrifying point by former Durham Police chief, Mike Barton, on BBC.  Given Cummingsí travels from the hotspot of London in early April when Durham and surrounds had low COVID-19 rates, he cannot rule out being a carrier of the disease which then killed more in the North East

Watched that interview, and he put the boot into Shapps about making the law up as he went along. Watching the Marr interview, not a clue, don't believe the papers, but the statement from No 10 he says
Hospitals are not equipped to treat stupid

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #5620 on: May 24, 2020, 01:27:50 PM »
Today was the first day that China reported zero Covid19 cases.
Yeserday they conducted 1,470,950 tests in Wuhan.

Now they are probably using an  instant test that in't 100% accurate, but if we could get tthese tests then you could test everyone on  the island of Ireland in a week and get rid of the virus entirely in a couple of weeks.

If you didn't already know, you really now should. The Governments don't care about us. Tests cost money, couldn't have that.

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #5621 on: May 24, 2020, 01:53:36 PM »
Question. So why no second wave in places like Denmark Austria C Republic Holland with all now below 50 infections a day and all now reopened 6 weeks tomorrow?
All them were waiting on the numbers to pick up but they have actually continued to go down?
Also the big second wave from everyone not sticking to the rules in England around the VE just hasnít happened.

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #5622 on: May 24, 2020, 04:13:30 PM »
PM taking the daily briefing at 5pm, interesting! Will he back him or sack him??????

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« Reply #5623 on: May 24, 2020, 04:50:59 PM »
PM taking the daily briefing at 5pm, interesting! Will he back him or sack him??????

Surely he won't sack him live on air. If it was to happen he'd be gone by now.

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #5624 on: May 24, 2020, 04:51:44 PM »
PM taking the daily briefing at 5pm, interesting! Will he back him or sack him??????

Surely he won't sack him live on air. If it was to happen he'd be gone by now.

Wouldn't mind a bet if I could get it he won't even mention it.