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« Reply #5535 on: May 22, 2020, 04:59:13 PM »
The r number hasnít went up in England since lockdown was released. Just confirmed on sky news.

That's essentially fake news. The "R" number is based in data from 2 weeks ago. So they don't know what the R number is today and won't for another 2 weeks.
In regards to NI. I don't actually disagree with the lockdown but it has been utterly pointless. More people were exempt from it that subject to it. Most people got fucked off after 2 weeks and gave up with no consequences. Our local shop had a queuing systems for all of one weekend then this just went f**k it. The questions at press conferences in the UK circled around PPE over and over and over again. Did any BBC journalist ask a question about anything else? There wasn't a proper test, trace and track system put in place yet not one journalist pushed this. There has been little or no honesty from government or scientific advisers. For example and the numbers prove it, this is a disease were if you are over 70 the risk is 1000's times greater. The risk to young people is minuscule. The modelling is exactly that, a computer model based on information for the most part which is guessed. Just a best guess. Why can't they come out and be honest? And now were hit with this shite that we're all amateur virologist and statisticians. Well who would notice us amateurs from the real thing? as the UK government presides over the 3rd worst death total in the world and they're on a f**king island.
Unprepared, untruthful, and utter omnishambles.


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« Reply #5536 on: May 22, 2020, 05:29:00 PM »
But surely the lockdown saved 1000's of lives?
Thats is why we are over the first peak.

No lockdown means it would keep spreading

Sweden seems to suggest the opposite. Economic and social activity in the UK and Ireland was shrivelling to nothing anyway before the formal lockdowns came into force. Swedish shops, restaurants etc were allowed stay open but punters stayed away in their droves. Now the British and Irish governments are both up their ears in fresh debt and have a battle on their hands working out how to reverse lockdown.

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« Reply #5537 on: May 22, 2020, 05:33:32 PM »
But surely the lockdown saved 1000's of lives?
Thats is why we are over the first peak.

No lockdown means it would keep spreading

Sweden seems to suggest the opposite. Economic and social activity in the UK and Ireland was shrivelling to nothing anyway before the formal lockdowns came into force. Swedish shops, restaurants etc were allowed stay open but punters stayed away in their droves. Now the British and Irish governments are both up their ears in fresh debt and have a battle on their hands working out how to reverse lockdown.

Did the Swedish government step in with any assistance for the pub/restaurant industry, or did they just leave them hanging out to dry with 100% of overheads and 20% income?

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« Reply #5538 on: May 22, 2020, 05:34:58 PM »
The r number hasnít went up in England since lockdown was released. Just confirmed on sky news.

That's essentially fake news. The "R" number is based in data from 2 weeks ago. So they don't know what the R number is today and won't for another 2 weeks.
In regards to NI. I don't actually disagree with the lockdown but it has been utterly pointless. More people were exempt from it that subject to it. Most people got fucked off after 2 weeks and gave up with no consequences. Our local shop had a queuing systems for all of one weekend then this just went f**k it. The questions at press conferences in the UK circled around PPE over and over and over again. Did any BBC journalist ask a question about anything else? There wasn't a proper test, trace and track system put in place yet not one journalist pushed this. There has been little or no honesty from government or scientific advisers. For example and the numbers prove it, this is a disease were if you are over 70 the risk is 1000's times greater. The risk to young people is minuscule. The modelling is exactly that, a computer model based on information for the most part which is guessed. Just a best guess. Why can't they come out and be honest? And now were hit with this shite that we're all amateur virologist and statisticians. Well who would notice us amateurs from the real thing? as the UK government presides over the 3rd worst death total in the world and they're on a f**king island.
Unprepared, untruthful, and utter omnishambles.

I love the way you keep repeating this as if you've hit on some sort of hot take.

We all f**king know this you balloon.

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« Reply #5539 on: May 22, 2020, 05:45:00 PM »
But surely the lockdown saved 1000's of lives?
Thats is why we are over the first peak.

No lockdown means it would keep spreading

Sweden seems to suggest the opposite. Economic and social activity in the UK and Ireland was shrivelling to nothing anyway before the formal lockdowns came into force. Swedish shops, restaurants etc were allowed stay open but punters stayed away in their droves. Now the British and Irish governments are both up their ears in fresh debt and have a battle on their hands working out how to reverse lockdown.

Does Sweden not have the highest death rate per capita in the world. Their government is being slated from everyone and have even apologised for how theyíve handled things.

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« Reply #5540 on: May 22, 2020, 06:09:56 PM »
The r number hasnít went up in England since lockdown was released. Just confirmed on sky news.

That's essentially fake news. The "R" number is based in data from 2 weeks ago. So they don't know what the R number is today and won't for another 2 weeks.
In regards to NI. I don't actually disagree with the lockdown but it has been utterly pointless. More people were exempt from it that subject to it. Most people got fucked off after 2 weeks and gave up with no consequences. Our local shop had a queuing systems for all of one weekend then this just went f**k it. The questions at press conferences in the UK circled around PPE over and over and over again. Did any BBC journalist ask a question about anything else? There wasn't a proper test, trace and track system put in place yet not one journalist pushed this. There has been little or no honesty from government or scientific advisers. For example and the numbers prove it, this is a disease were if you are over 70 the risk is 1000's times greater. The risk to young people is minuscule. The modelling is exactly that, a computer model based on information for the most part which is guessed. Just a best guess. Why can't they come out and be honest? And now were hit with this shite that we're all amateur virologist and statisticians. Well who would notice us amateurs from the real thing? as the UK government presides over the 3rd worst death total in the world and they're on a f**king island.
Unprepared, untruthful, and utter omnishambles.

I love the way you keep repeating this as if you've hit on some sort of hot take.

We all f**king know this you balloon.

It needs repeating because people seem to think sending children to school is a risk to them when it isnít. And Iíll keep repeating it until people realise it.

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« Reply #5541 on: May 22, 2020, 06:11:01 PM »
But surely the lockdown saved 1000's of lives?
Thats is why we are over the first peak.

No lockdown means it would keep spreading

Sweden seems to suggest the opposite. Economic and social activity in the UK and Ireland was shrivelling to nothing anyway before the formal lockdowns came into force. Swedish shops, restaurants etc were allowed stay open but punters stayed away in their droves. Now the British and Irish governments are both up their ears in fresh debt and have a battle on their hands working out how to reverse lockdown.

Does Sweden not have the highest death rate per capita in the world. Their government is being slated from everyone and have even apologised for how theyíve handled things.

Only if you read the numbers very selectively. This article from The Sun, the biggest selling paper in Britain, sums up the bulls**t lies and spin that are being peddled:

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5453139/swedens-coronavirus-death-toll-highest-world/

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Swedenís coronavirus death toll is the HIGHEST in the world per capita over the last week after ignoring lockdowns

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Many of these other countries saw far more virus deaths earlier in the pandemic, but managed to bring down the numbers with strict lockdown measures.

Sweden has the eighth highest overall per capita death toll in the world - when these earlier deaths are included as well, Worldometer stats say.

What the headline actually is meant to mean is that Sweden's death rate was the highest in the world based solely on deaths last week


Meanwhile back in the real world, Statista has Sweden in 6th place. (the usual caveats on death counts apply)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/



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« Reply #5542 on: May 22, 2020, 06:25:14 PM »
The r number hasnít went up in England since lockdown was released. Just confirmed on sky news.

That's essentially fake news. The "R" number is based in data from 2 weeks ago. So they don't know what the R number is today and won't for another 2 weeks.
In regards to NI. I don't actually disagree with the lockdown but it has been utterly pointless. More people were exempt from it that subject to it. Most people got fucked off after 2 weeks and gave up with no consequences. Our local shop had a queuing systems for all of one weekend then this just went f**k it. The questions at press conferences in the UK circled around PPE over and over and over again. Did any BBC journalist ask a question about anything else? There wasn't a proper test, trace and track system put in place yet not one journalist pushed this. There has been little or no honesty from government or scientific advisers. For example and the numbers prove it, this is a disease were if you are over 70 the risk is 1000's times greater. The risk to young people is minuscule. The modelling is exactly that, a computer model based on information for the most part which is guessed. Just a best guess. Why can't they come out and be honest? And now were hit with this shite that we're all amateur virologist and statisticians. Well who would notice us amateurs from the real thing? as the UK government presides over the 3rd worst death total in the world and they're on a f**king island.
Unprepared, untruthful, and utter omnishambles.

I love the way you keep repeating this as if you've hit on some sort of hot take.

We all f**king know this you balloon.

It needs repeating because people seem to think sending children to school is a risk to them when it isnít. And Iíll keep repeating it until people realise it.

Kids have very mild symptoms but do they carry it? And can they pass it on? Youíve still not answered that, but Iíll repeat it anyways.

Have you sent the kids back to school yet? They can be minded if your wife is a nurse?
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

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« Reply #5543 on: May 22, 2020, 06:26:58 PM »
But surely the lockdown saved 1000's of lives?
Thats is why we are over the first peak.

No lockdown means it would keep spreading

Sweden seems to suggest the opposite. Economic and social activity in the UK and Ireland was shrivelling to nothing anyway before the formal lockdowns came into force. Swedish shops, restaurants etc were allowed stay open but punters stayed away in their droves. Now the British and Irish governments are both up their ears in fresh debt and have a battle on their hands working out how to reverse lockdown.

Does Sweden not have the highest death rate per capita in the world. Their government is being slated from everyone and have even apologised for how theyíve handled things.

Only if you read the numbers very selectively. This article from The Sun, the biggest selling paper in Britain, sums up the bulls**t lies and spin that are being peddled:

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5453139/swedens-coronavirus-death-toll-highest-world/

Headline
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Swedenís coronavirus death toll is the HIGHEST in the world per capita over the last week after ignoring lockdowns

Text
Quote
Many of these other countries saw far more virus deaths earlier in the pandemic, but managed to bring down the numbers with strict lockdown measures.

Sweden has the eighth highest overall per capita death toll in the world - when these earlier deaths are included as well, Worldometer stats say.

What the headline actually is meant to mean is that Sweden's death rate was the highest in the world based solely on deaths last week


Meanwhile back in the real world, Statista has Sweden in 6th place. (the usual caveats on death counts apply)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Fivepoints - you said the lockdown was a huge mistake and now you are quoting something that says 'managed to bring down the numbers with strict lockdown'

Seems somewhat contradictory?

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« Reply #5544 on: May 22, 2020, 06:41:21 PM »
Fivepoints - you said the lockdown was a huge mistake and now you are quoting something that says 'managed to bring down the numbers with strict lockdown'
Yes. As an example of "bulls**t lies and spin"

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Seems somewhat contradictory?
In that context, hardly.

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« Reply #5545 on: May 22, 2020, 06:45:41 PM »
Fivepoints - you said the lockdown was a huge mistake and now you are quoting something that says 'managed to bring down the numbers with strict lockdown'
Yes. As an example of "bulls**t lies and spin"

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Seems somewhat contradictory?
In that context, hardly.

Got it - mis read your post.

Still dont understand why you think lockdown was a mistake given the people that died before it and since it

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« Reply #5546 on: May 22, 2020, 06:53:17 PM »
Still dont understand why you think lockdown was a mistake given the people that died before it and since it

The trends pretty much everywhere seem to indicate that this virus runs its course over a couple of months or so. With or without lockdown.

As for lockdowns, I remain to be convinced that we had one, in the real sense of the word.

Even with lockdown, large numbers of people still had to get up every day and go to work in essential services - including hospitals and care homes where the virus was running rampant - and go home again. And in the cities, many had to use public transport. So if the virus was really going to spread like wildfire in the community, it had ample opportunity to do so.

And then there are all the missed diagnoses and even treatments for cancer and other lethal illnesses and conditions...

I fully recognise that others may have different perspectives on it. That's okay too.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2020, 06:55:13 PM by five points »

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« Reply #5547 on: May 22, 2020, 07:00:57 PM »
Interesting how well we have done here so far in Derry City. Even better than our neighbours in Donegal and better than rest of North outside Fermanagh. I'm not sure of reasons other than people took precautions very early on. 

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« Reply #5548 on: May 22, 2020, 07:03:41 PM »
Still dont understand why you think lockdown was a mistake given the people that died before it and since it

The trends pretty much everywhere seem to indicate that this virus runs its course over a couple of months or so. With or without lockdown.

As for lockdowns, I remain to be convinced that we had one, in the real sense of the word.

Even with lockdown, large numbers of people still had to get up every day and go to work in essential services - including hospitals and care homes where the virus was running rampant - and go home again. And in the cities, many had to use public transport. So if the virus was really going to spread like wildfire in the community, it had ample opportunity to do so.

And then there are all the missed diagnoses and even treatments for cancer and other lethal illnesses and conditions...

I fully recognise that others may have different perspectives on it. That's okay too.
Lockdown it wasn't a few restrictions put in place and Sweden had less restrictions and have experienced a higher death toll than Ireland.

Hard to know close to the true infection rate of Sweden with just 20,000 test per million population.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2020, 07:05:22 PM by Captain Obvious »

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« Reply #5549 on: May 22, 2020, 07:07:27 PM »
Still dont understand why you think lockdown was a mistake given the people that died before it and since it

The trends pretty much everywhere seem to indicate that this virus runs its course over a couple of months or so. With or without lockdown.

As for lockdowns, I remain to be convinced that we had one, in the real sense of the word.

Even with lockdown, large numbers of people still had to get up every day and go to work in essential services - including hospitals and care homes where the virus was running rampant - and go home again. And in the cities, many had to use public transport. So if the virus was really going to spread like wildfire in the community, it had ample opportunity to do so.

And then there are all the missed diagnoses and even treatments for cancer and other lethal illnesses and conditions...

I fully recognise that others may have different perspectives on it. That's okay too.

As per Cuomo quoting the CDC today, they're thinking the spread via surface contamination is looking to be much less of an issue, with airborne spread the primary mode of transmission. Which means that assuming healthcare workers are wearing masks and practicing proper manual hygiene, they may be well protected. Apparently NY healthcare workers have been suffering very low rates of infection compared to other sectors.