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« Reply #7065 on: August 01, 2020, 08:40:32 PM »
5 months in they need to reflect on why there is still a large outbreak in a factory and ensure that it is the last one.
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« Reply #7066 on: August 01, 2020, 09:39:02 PM »
5 months in they need to reflect on why there is still a large outbreak in a factory and ensure that it is the last one.

Because one person gets it and itís spreads in a factory environment quicker.. you can put in all the measures you want but it canít always make it 100% safe.

Getting it caught is a good thing, and tracing helps. Hopefully weíve no fatalities from it
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« Reply #7067 on: August 01, 2020, 10:25:45 PM »
5 months in they need to reflect on why there is still a large outbreak in a factory and ensure that it is the last one.

Because one person gets it and itís spreads in a factory environment quicker.. you can put in all the measures you want but it canít always make it 100% safe.

I bet you Ä50 that all the required measures were not operated properly.
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« Reply #7068 on: August 01, 2020, 10:36:31 PM »
5 months in they need to reflect on why there is still a large outbreak in a factory and ensure that it is the last one.

Because one person gets it and itís spreads in a factory environment quicker.. you can put in all the measures you want but it canít always make it 100% safe.

Getting it caught is a good thing, and tracing helps. Hopefully weíve no fatalities from it
That's the main hope. Cluster cases indoors will continue to be a an issue for a long time to come.
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« Reply #7069 on: August 01, 2020, 10:44:42 PM »
5 months in they need to reflect on why there is still a large outbreak in a factory and ensure that it is the last one.

Because one person gets it and itís spreads in a factory environment quicker.. you can put in all the measures you want but it canít always make it 100% safe.

I bet you Ä50 that all the required measures were not operated properly.

Don't think you can say that. Could worker's for example be sharing accommodation outside of work?

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« Reply #7070 on: August 01, 2020, 10:55:58 PM »
5 months in they need to reflect on why there is still a large outbreak in a factory and ensure that it is the last one.

Because one person gets it and itís spreads in a factory environment quicker.. you can put in all the measures you want but it canít always make it 100% safe.

I bet you Ä50 that all the required measures were not operated properly.

Don't think you can say that. Could worker's for example be sharing accommodation outside of work?

That might explain how someone got Covid, but not why it spread in the factory.
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« Reply #7071 on: August 01, 2020, 11:03:37 PM »
5 months in they need to reflect on why there is still a large outbreak in a factory and ensure that it is the last one.

Because one person gets it and itís spreads in a factory environment quicker.. you can put in all the measures you want but it canít always make it 100% safe.

I bet you Ä50 that all the required measures were not operated properly.

Don't think you can say that. Could worker's for example be sharing accommodation outside of work?

That might explain how someone got Covid, but not why it spread in the factory.

Working is a struggle for everyone! Even hospitals couldnít get it right... I wouldnít be too harsh people donít intentionally pass it on, employees and employers are all responsible. Iím sure it wasnít their intention..
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« Reply #7072 on: August 02, 2020, 12:03:50 AM »
5 months in they need to reflect on why there is still a large outbreak in a factory and ensure that it is the last one.

Because one person gets it and itís spreads in a factory environment quicker.. you can put in all the measures you want but it canít always make it 100% safe.

I bet you Ä50 that all the required measures were not operated properly.

Don't think you can say that. Could worker's for example be sharing accommodation outside of work?

That might explain how someone got Covid, but not why it spread in the factory.

Working is a struggle for everyone! Even hospitals couldnít get it right... I wouldnít be too harsh people donít intentionally pass it on, employees and employers are all responsible. Iím sure it wasnít their intention..

At least hospitals were hit early on, when the virus was relatively unknown.

What excuse is there now? Airborne transmission is well established now.

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« Reply #7073 on: August 02, 2020, 12:15:29 AM »
5 months in they need to reflect on why there is still a large outbreak in a factory and ensure that it is the last one.

Because one person gets it and itís spreads in a factory environment quicker.. you can put in all the measures you want but it canít always make it 100% safe.

I bet you Ä50 that all the required measures were not operated properly.

Don't think you can say that. Could worker's for example be sharing accommodation outside of work?

That might explain how someone got Covid, but not why it spread in the factory.

Working is a struggle for everyone! Even hospitals couldnít get it right... I wouldnít be too harsh people donít intentionally pass it on, employees and employers are all responsible. Iím sure it wasnít their intention..

At least hospitals were hit early on, when the virus was relatively unknown.

What excuse is there now? Airborne transmission is well established now.

But if the company is following procedures and carrying out Covid risk assessments then itís the duty of staff to follow and enforce it...

outside of work itís impossible to manage.. but the governmentís have opened up so itís going to happen, these clusters will continue to throw up spikes, again weíve been managing better the treatments
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« Reply #7074 on: August 02, 2020, 12:48:08 AM »
5 months in they need to reflect on why there is still a large outbreak in a factory and ensure that it is the last one.

Because one person gets it and itís spreads in a factory environment quicker.. you can put in all the measures you want but it canít always make it 100% safe.

I bet you Ä50 that all the required measures were not operated properly.

Don't think you can say that. Could worker's for example be sharing accommodation outside of work?

That might explain how someone got Covid, but not why it spread in the factory.

Working is a struggle for everyone! Even hospitals couldnít get it right... I wouldnít be too harsh people donít intentionally pass it on, employees and employers are all responsible. Iím sure it wasnít their intention..

They need to investigate and find out what the problem was. Perhaps it was unanticipated, perhaps it was cutting corners, but they need to understand it and make it does not happen elsewhere.
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« Reply #7075 on: August 02, 2020, 01:00:14 AM »
5 months in they need to reflect on why there is still a large outbreak in a factory and ensure that it is the last one.

Because one person gets it and itís spreads in a factory environment quicker.. you can put in all the measures you want but it canít always make it 100% safe.

I bet you Ä50 that all the required measures were not operated properly.

Don't think you can say that. Could worker's for example be sharing accommodation outside of work?

That might explain how someone got Covid, but not why it spread in the factory.

Working is a struggle for everyone! Even hospitals couldnít get it right... I wouldnít be too harsh people donít intentionally pass it on, employees and employers are all responsible. Iím sure it wasnít their intention..

They need to investigate and find out what the problem was. Perhaps it was unanticipated, perhaps it was cutting corners, but they need to understand it and make it does not happen elsewhere.
Extroplating what is happening in meat processing factories in the north, a lot of them are employing foreign nationals who are packed into shared accommodation outside their shift in the factory so there is no escaping the risk.

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« Reply #7076 on: August 02, 2020, 07:13:46 AM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/01/elderly-may-asked-stay-home-ministers-blueprint-avoid-new-lockdown/

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« Reply #7077 on: August 02, 2020, 09:03:37 AM »
5 months in they need to reflect on why there is still a large outbreak in a factory and ensure that it is the last one.

Because one person gets it and itís spreads in a factory environment quicker.. you can put in all the measures you want but it canít always make it 100% safe.

I bet you Ä50 that all the required measures were not operated properly.

Don't think you can say that. Could worker's for example be sharing accommodation outside of work?

That might explain how someone got Covid, but not why it spread in the factory.

My point is you don't know it spread in the factory. Many meat factories employ cheap labour from Eastern Europe and elsewhere, I can think of one that is all Brazilian and another Pakistani. These minority groups live in very isolated pods in the towns. There is also the warm bed phenomenon where worker A does 12 hour shift and worker B comes home from his 12 hour shift and takes worker A bed.

I cant say whether the company in this case had good precautions but id find it incredible if they were ignoring covid. Where I work we are struggling with people behaviours at work. As lockdiwn has eased people are becoming complacent and when you turn your back not adhering to social distancing. We were thinking about using disciplinary process against those people but then we figured people would deny their close contacts  if they had it for fear of getting a warning. Factories and places of work do not have it easy in this thing.

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« Reply #7078 on: August 02, 2020, 10:12:33 AM »
Continued advice and training and monitoring is the only way, discipline procedures should be the very last resort.

Factory employers are not responsible for their staff after working hours, unless they also supply the accommodation
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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #7079 on: August 02, 2020, 10:34:10 AM »
5 months in they need to reflect on why there is still a large outbreak in a factory and ensure that it is the last one.

Because one person gets it and itís spreads in a factory environment quicker.. you can put in all the measures you want but it canít always make it 100% safe.

I bet you Ä50 that all the required measures were not operated properly.

Don't think you can say that. Could worker's for example be sharing accommodation outside of work?

That might explain how someone got Covid, but not why it spread in the factory.

My point is you don't know it spread in the factory. Many meat factories employ cheap labour from Eastern Europe and elsewhere, I can think of one that is all Brazilian and another Pakistani. These minority groups live in very isolated pods in the towns. There is also the warm bed phenomenon where worker A does 12 hour shift and worker B comes home from his 12 hour shift and takes worker A bed.

I cant say whether the company in this case had good precautions but id find it incredible if they were ignoring covid. Where I work we are struggling with people behaviours at work. As lockdiwn has eased people are becoming complacent and when you turn your back not adhering to social distancing. We were thinking about using disciplinary process against those people but then we figured people would deny their close contacts  if they had it for fear of getting a warning. Factories and places of work do not have it easy in this thing.

The labour in meat factories isn't cheap, it's bloody hard work though, too hard for the locals. Majority of workers though are here to make money, they will reduce costs by living 6 to 8 in a 3 bedroom house. These guys depending on their skill level earn Ä10 to Ä20 an hour.

We will experience these random spikes but we need to learn and be better going forward.

I am on holidays and after spending 4 days in Waterford and West Cork, where there was loads of social distancing and patience, now in Kenmare, shocking levels of complacency regarding social distancing and masks. I wouldn't be surprised if Kerry was hit with a spike in 2 weeks.
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