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« Reply #5520 on: May 22, 2020, 02:53:02 PM »
Doesn't look like that will be a problem for a long long time to come.

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Doubts raised over Oxford coronavirus vaccine after ALL of the monkeys that took part in the trial are found to have contracted the disease
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8331709/Oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-does-not-stop-infection-experts-warn.html

From the looks of that, it might help reduce the severity of the disease, but will have no effect on spread.

Better than nothing, and a potential stopgap, but hopefully they come up with something better. Still early days.

Whatever gets us back to work and stops the teachers from losing their jobs  ;D
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« Reply #5521 on: May 22, 2020, 02:55:36 PM »
Doesn't look like that will be a problem for a long long time to come.

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Doubts raised over Oxford coronavirus vaccine after ALL of the monkeys that took part in the trial are found to have contracted the disease
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8331709/Oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-does-not-stop-infection-experts-warn.html

Had me there until I read the source!

 ::) The Daily Mail didn't carry out the trials.

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« Reply #5522 on: May 22, 2020, 03:02:35 PM »
The British government will face a big investigation after this and I honestly can see serious pressure coming into Johnstone Raab Hancock and co
They have seriously let the country down.
Whilst everyone was telling them to lockdown they seem to be the only ones who didnít want too. 2 weeks to late and now seems has cost thousands of lifeís
How far could this investigation go? Jail?

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« Reply #5523 on: May 22, 2020, 03:04:45 PM »
They would deserve it. I doubt they're following too much medical advice.

There's a lot more behind the scenes like PPE shortages and the lies being told there as well as the likes of that dyson ventilator crap. They are up to their neck in it and not one f**k could they give.

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« Reply #5524 on: May 22, 2020, 03:08:03 PM »
The British government will face a big investigation after this and I honestly can see serious pressure coming into Johnstone Raab Hancock and co
They have seriously let the country down.
Whilst everyone was telling them to lockdown they seem to be the only ones who didnít want too. 2 weeks to late and now seems has cost thousands of lifeís
How far could this investigation go? Jail?

It will be a race to see who can throw each other under the bus first.

The science/scientists will be the first by johnson & hancock - I would hope there are members of Sage/scientists recording everything that was recommended to the Gov - because there is no doubt a lot of it was ignored. Especially in the early stages

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« Reply #5525 on: May 22, 2020, 03:12:02 PM »
It seems obvious to me that the serial scaremonger Prof Neil Ferguson, with his faulty modelling, scared them into a lockdown from which they're now struggling to escape.  Given his pathetic record with previous forecasts, Ferguson should never been let near Imperial College let alone Downing Street.

It also seems obvious to me that the lockdown was a huge mistake, not least because they spent a lot of resources and time organising it when the focus should have been on PPE and basic organisation in care homes.

Now they've the worst of both words.


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« Reply #5526 on: May 22, 2020, 03:21:44 PM »
The British government will face a big investigation after this and I honestly can see serious pressure coming into Johnstone Raab Hancock and co
They have seriously let the country down.
Whilst everyone was telling them to lockdown they seem to be the only ones who didnít want too. 2 weeks to late and now seems has cost thousands of lifeís
How far could this investigation go? Jail?

Jail would require criminal intent or negligence. I doubt if you can be prosecuted for poor judgement in an unfolding, unprecedented global crisis, especially if you can point to professional advice, even if it runs contrary to consensus.

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« Reply #5527 on: May 22, 2020, 03:33:20 PM »
Jail would require criminal intent or negligence. I doubt if you can be prosecuted for poor judgement in an unfolding, unprecedented global crisis, especially if you can point to professional advice, even if it runs contrary to consensus.

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« Reply #5528 on: May 22, 2020, 03:48:13 PM »
The British government will face a big investigation after this and I honestly can see serious pressure coming into Johnstone Raab Hancock and co
They have seriously let the country down.
Whilst everyone was telling them to lockdown they seem to be the only ones who didnít want too. 2 weeks to late and now seems has cost thousands of lifeís
How far could this investigation go? Jail?

Jail would require criminal intent or negligence. I doubt if you can be prosecuted for poor judgement in an unfolding, unprecedented global crisis, especially if you can point to professional advice, even if it runs contrary to consensus.

I am not convinced they are following what they are being told by professionals. The PPE stuff as well would be something that they would be borderline negligent on.

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« Reply #5529 on: May 22, 2020, 03:49:59 PM »
The British government will face a big investigation after this and I honestly can see serious pressure coming into Johnstone Raab Hancock and co
They have seriously let the country down.
Whilst everyone was telling them to lockdown they seem to be the only ones who didnít want too. 2 weeks to late and now seems has cost thousands of lifeís
How far could this investigation go? Jail?

Jail would require criminal intent or negligence. I doubt if you can be prosecuted for poor judgement in an unfolding, unprecedented global crisis, especially if you can point to professional advice, even if it runs contrary to consensus.

I am not convinced they are following what they are being told by professionals. The PPE stuff as well would be something that they would be borderline negligent on.

The first person to go to jail should be Ferguson.

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« Reply #5530 on: May 22, 2020, 03:52:42 PM »
It seems obvious to me that the serial scaremonger Prof Neil Ferguson, with his faulty modelling, scared them into a lockdown from which they're now struggling to escape.  Given his pathetic record with previous forecasts, Ferguson should never been let near Imperial College let alone Downing Street.

It also seems obvious to me that the lockdown was a huge mistake, not least because they spent a lot of resources and time organising it when the focus should have been on PPE and basic organisation in care homes.

Now they've the worst of both words.

But surely the lockdown saved 1000's of lives?
Thats is why we are over the first peak.

No lockdown means it would keep spreading

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #5532 on: May 22, 2020, 04:42:33 PM »
The r number hasnít went up in England since lockdown was released. Just confirmed on sky news.

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« Reply #5533 on: May 22, 2020, 04:56:56 PM »
The r number hasnít went up in England since lockdown was released. Just confirmed on sky news.

That's essentially fake news. The "R" number is based in data from 2 weeks ago. So they don't know what the R number is today and won't for another 2 weeks.
In regards to NI. I don't actually disagree with the lockdown but it has been utterly pointless. More people were exempt from it that subject to it. Most people got fucked off after 2 weeks and gave up with no consequences. Our local shop had a queuing systems for all of one weekend then this just went f**k it. The questions at press conferences in the UK circled around PPE over and over and over again. Did any BBC journalist ask a question about anything else? There wasn't a proper test, trace and track system put in place yet not one journalist pushed this. There has been little or no honesty from government or scientific advisers. For example and the numbers prove it, this is a disease were if you are over 70 the risk is 1000's times greater. The risk to young people is minuscule. The modelling is exactly that, a computer model based on information for the most part which is guessed. Just a best guess. Why can't they come out and be honest? And now were hit with this shite that we're all amateur virologist and statisticians. Well who would notice us amateurs from the real thing? as the UK government presides over the 3rd worst death total in the world and they're on a f**king island.
Unprepared, untruthful, and utter omnishambles.

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« Reply #5534 on: May 22, 2020, 04:57:54 PM »
The r number hasnít went up in England since lockdown was released. Just confirmed on sky news.

The lockdown hasnt really been released though?

And with a 2 to 3 week lag in R number data it means this data means very little - no?