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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2020, 01:43:16 PM »
They can build a 1000 bed hospital in 5 days. Our flutes are clean useless. Harris should be shot with a ball of his own sh_te.

While the NCH has been a complete balls up, you're hardly comparing apples with apples

We need a political system that makes things happen, instead of flaffing about, jumping on populist bandwagons. Our judiciary, planning authorites are not fit for purpose either. The childrens hospital is an absolute shambles. Why the location, why the complex design, why the cost?

The location was the biggest error imo and (without knowing any of the facts) I'd say it was down to hospital politics/lobbying.

Politicians jumping on populist bandwagons is a pitfall of representative democracy, they say you get the politicians you deserve

What specific changes would you propose to judiciary, planning and the political system that would have avoided this f*ck up?

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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2020, 01:48:00 PM »
Still less deadly than the seasonal flu.

The big problem is if it starts to mutate into something uncontrollable.

Doesn't really matter if countries do go into lockdown - takes 2-14 days for symptoms to appear meaning people can walk through airport controls without showing symptoms but can still transmit the virus.

However, the slow incubation period means that they have time to track down the contacts of the people affected.

True but on average how many people do you come into contact with, who you share a computer with etc in those 14 days?

As an example:

You go to a restaurant and before you enter the building you cough/sneeze into your hands. You then open the door with your hand and then the next person to open the door picks the virus up on their hands - that is already 2 people infected just by touching a door handle and then share the use of things such as an ATM, the button at a set of traffic lights, opening doors around the house and passing it on to family. Just think how many people could potentially be infected within the first day just because someone has not washed their hands. 

I wouldn't consider myself a germophobe but at the same time I don't like getting ill because of some other asshole who is too lazy to take basic preventative measures. All you have to do is cough into your arm rather than into your hands or into the air and take 30 seconds to wash your hands.


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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2020, 08:39:08 PM »
Are we genuinely living in a world that believes China will build a hospital in 10 days! The mind boggles!

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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2020, 10:27:28 PM »
Are we genuinely living in a world that believes China will build a hospital in 10 days! The mind boggles!

It will be simple structure, but will do the job. Perhaps, they even had foresight to prefabricate such an edifice in anticipation of exactly this type of event, they aren't the HSE.
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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2020, 10:38:18 PM »
Are we genuinely living in a world that believes China will build a hospital in 10 days! The mind boggles!

It will be simple structure, but will do the job. Perhaps, they even had foresight to prefabricate such an edifice in anticipation of exactly this type of event, they aren't the HSE.

They’ll stack a raft of containers - let’s not label it a hospital & similarly not use it to have a pop at the government here - I wonder how many of us would want to be treated in said “hospital”

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2020, 10:13:26 AM »
Are we genuinely living in a world that believes China will build a hospital in 10 days! The mind boggles!

It will be simple structure, but will do the job. Perhaps, they even had foresight to prefabricate such an edifice in anticipation of exactly this type of event, they aren't the HSE.

They’ll stack a raft of containers - let’s not label it a hospital & similarly not use it to have a pop at the government here - I wonder how many of us would want to be treated in said “hospital”

There was a video doing the rounds awhile ago of how the Chinese put together a Skyscraper. They literally stack it on, floor by floor like a massive IKEA project. It went up in something stupid like 3 weeks if I recall correct.

It obviously won't be an exceptional private facility, but none the less, if the Chinese want to do something - they'll do it.

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2020, 12:05:07 PM »
https://www.ft.com/content/c1c92b80-3ec1-11ea-b84f-a62c46f39bc2

Containing the spread of the coronavirus is a forlorn hope
A revised timeline suggests it has been circulating longer than first thought

ANJANA AHUJA  A military medical team member and a medical worker at Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital at the weekend

 The world should be more anxious than it was a week ago. According to research published on Friday, a new Sars-like coronavirus has been present in China since December 1, a full month before the alarm was raised. Almost 3,000 people have been diagnosed with the respiratory illness. As of Monday afternoon, 35 cases were outside China. Eighty-one people have died. Despite draconian quarantining, the virus, provisionally known as 2019-nCoV, is spreading.

 Several countries, including the UK, are considering evacuating nationals from the hot zone. It is now time for the World Health Organisation to call a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). The revised timeline on when the virus began circulating comes courtesy of two papers in The Lancet medical journal, which reveal other worrying details. One sets out the clinical data on the first 41 laboratory-confirmed patients. Patient zero, who fell ill on December 1, had no link to the seafood market in Wuhan that is widely assumed to be the source of the outbreak. A further 13 of those 41 cases showed no link either. It is possible that the virus began circulating earlier than December. Other analyses separately suggest that containment is now a forlorn hope. The “reproduction number” is thought to lie between two and four — meaning that, on average, each infected person passes the virus to between two and four others. That is high: seasonal flu has a reproduction rate of about 1.4. The incubation period could be about a week, with infected individuals possibly being contagious while showing mild or no symptoms. Neil Ferguson, an Imperial College epidemiologist, estimated that 4,000 were infected by January 18. Jonathan Read, of Lancaster University, and colleagues provisionally calculate that the tally could exceed 190,000 by February 4. A “grave situation” for China, as President Xi Jinping describes the epidemic, is a grave situation for the world. A fifth of the global population is now potentially exposed to a highly transmissible, currently incurable and potentially fatal respiratory virus.

Richard Horton, editor-in-chief of The Lancet, believes a PHEIC declaration should be considered. “The emergency committee [of the WHO] should reconvene as a matter of urgency,” Mr Horton said, adding that he felt there were political sensitivities at play that have not dogged other epidemics, such as Ebola in west Africa. Recent developments, such as a special committee set up by China’s ruling party, have also heightened rather than allayed his concerns. He says: “Not one [of the people on that committee] has any background in public health. That makes me very worried.” Mr Horton also fears the mass social unrest that may accompany prolonged quarantine with patchy information. It is unclear whether the WHO knew in advance of China’s quarantine plans. The language emerging from its meetings has been painfully diplomatic, with its director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus remarking only that he hoped the extreme measures were “both effective and short in their duration”. Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust, said it was “right and appropriate” for China to control the first response. Antivirals were going into randomised trials on the ground, he said, and vaccines might become available within six months. He acknowledged, though, that the social consequences of quarantining millions of people remained “uncharted territory”. All factors considered, it is perverse to see the coronavirus outbreak as anything other than a PHEIC. The writer is a science commentator
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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2020, 07:38:57 AM »

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2020, 12:06:19 PM »

They’ll stack a raft of containers - let’s not label it a hospital & similarly not use it to have a pop at the government here - I wonder how many of us would want to be treated in said “hospital”

It won't be fancy, but people can be treated there in reasonable space providing proper separation between patients, which is better than being on a trolley in a corridor in Limerick hospital with people pushing past you. Of course, nobody wants to be in a hospital at all, but if they can bring nurses etc from other districts they'll be able to provide useful treatment. 
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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2020, 12:43:46 PM »

They’ll stack a raft of containers - let’s not label it a hospital & similarly not use it to have a pop at the government here - I wonder how many of us would want to be treated in said “hospital”

It won't be fancy, but people can be treated there in reasonable space providing proper separation between patients, which is better than being on a trolley in a corridor in Limerick hospital with people pushing past you. Of course, nobody wants to be in a hospital at all, but if they can bring nurses etc from other districts they'll be able to provide useful treatment.

I'm not sure I take your point about being on a trolley in Limerick? Are you suggesting pre-fab containers are the way forward for irish hospitals? Will the government just take over the land like the Chinise state to build them?

What their doing is rushing something through to deal with a unfolding crisis which is entirely understandable - not to mention the millions of tonnes of materials which have been stockpiled somewhere to address this.

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2020, 11:25:23 AM »
Construction of the 1000 bed hospital took just 2 days. Looks well.

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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2020, 11:52:02 AM »
Any word from Asal Mór?  He's over there isn't he?
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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2020, 02:53:34 PM »
Construction of the 1000 bed hospital took just 2 days. Looks well.

The 2 day one was a conversion of an old building into a hospital.

They're building another 1000 bed hospital from scratch they hope to have operational for Sunday!

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2020, 03:21:58 PM »
Construction of the 1000 bed hospital took just 2 days. Looks well.

The 2 day one was a conversion of an old building into a hospital.

They're building another 1000 bed hospital from scratch they hope to have operational for Sunday!

They're trying to break the record for the hospital they built for the SARS outbreak. That hospital was built in 7 days and then they quietly abandoned afterwards.