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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #13650 on: February 23, 2021, 11:08:18 AM »
I’ll have no issue taking it. I’ve a sister who said she isn’t taking it and only reason she can offer is that it’s too new and not tested enough. She in late 40s.

My fear would be that not enough take it and it mutates further and becomes more harmful in particular to children who seem relatively unharmed to date from the virus. If a variant becomes apparent that harms them before the vaccine is tested and applied to this age, then it wouldn’t be worth trying to contemplate. I know it might be reaching but if someone explained the next 12 months to me this time last year, they’d have been laughed at.

So what timeline is acceptable? 5 years 10 years? Is it studies and results from research that will 'inform' people of its possible benefits/negatives?

I’ve no idea what would keep her or that way of thinking happy. The same one would have taken some “rubbish” over the years without a care in the world.

I think when it comes to it she could change her mind and stop reading 2 line medical opinions on Facebook  ::)

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« Reply #13651 on: February 23, 2021, 11:08:22 AM »
I'd imagine this vaccine will be a yearly thing. And if young people don't get it things like the night time economy will be closed again. The vaccine is the solution. We all need to get it and we need to hope it works effectively but we'll be dealing with Covid and different variants for a long time I'd imagine.

There's a whole discussion around vaccines but to hear some young people say they won't take it when they'd buy something dubious from a lad on street corner or even a pile of drink at the weekends is just stupid. Young people don't understand the lives that have been saved by vaccines. The older population can remember terrible diseases that are all but eradicated now. I would hope as the population is vaccinated they'll understand that there are few risks and that getting vaccinated is a right thing to do for society as a whole.
Thats it, boys in work here dubious about the vaccine while scuffing down a rustler burger ffs

I didn't like the tone today on Radio Foyle by the interviewer whilst touching on those who don't want the vaccine, it was a sniggering/belittling type attitude, I don't think you are saying that but people's position are varied on why they wont take it and in many cases their logic make perfect sense. I wouldn't want to lump everyone into the same group, again I don't think you or others are saying that either

I for one will not be taking any instruction from a lad on the street corner-I'm more confident in my judgement and intelligence than that, i'm 60/40 not for taking it atm.

Out of interest - why so?

Posted this earlier

I'm just thinking I've had COVID,im not in risk group, I sort of like thought of my own immune system doing the work and I do admit also to having some niggling doubts about vaccine itself. As I said undecided

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #13652 on: February 23, 2021, 11:08:26 AM »
I’ll have no issue taking it. I’ve a sister who said she isn’t taking it and only reason she can offer is that it’s too new and not tested enough. She in late 40s.

My fear would be that not enough take it and it mutates further and becomes more harmful in particular to children who seem relatively unharmed to date from the virus. If a variant becomes apparent that harms them before the vaccine is tested and applied to this age, then it wouldn’t be worth trying to contemplate. I know it might be reaching but if someone explained the next 12 months to me this time last year, they’d have been laughed at.
1 in 7 students of secondary school age who get Covid develop symptoms consistent with long Covid

1 in 8 of primary school age

Source: Deepti Gurdasani, senior lecturer in epidemiology at Queen Mary University, London

The seemingly widespread dismissal by the gung ho "open it up ta fook" brigade of the notion that super lethal and/or vaccine-evasive variants could spread widely if restrictions are abolished is baffling

There's some sort of psychlogical inadequacy or denial condition going on there





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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #13653 on: February 23, 2021, 11:10:19 AM »
I’ll have no issue taking it. I’ve a sister who said she isn’t taking it and only reason she can offer is that it’s too new and not tested enough. She in late 40s.

My fear would be that not enough take it and it mutates further and becomes more harmful in particular to children who seem relatively unharmed to date from the virus. If a variant becomes apparent that harms them before the vaccine is tested and applied to this age, then it wouldn’t be worth trying to contemplate. I know it might be reaching but if someone explained the next 12 months to me this time last year, they’d have been laughed at.

So what timeline is acceptable? 5 years 10 years? Is it studies and results from research that will 'inform' people of its possible benefits/negatives?

I’ve no idea what would keep her or that way of thinking happy. The same one would have taken some “rubbish” over the years without a care in the world.

I think when it comes to it she could change her mind and stop reading 2 line medical opinions on Facebook  ::)
Question everything, except two line medical opinions from some randomer on Facebook

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« Reply #13654 on: February 23, 2021, 11:16:58 AM »
I’ll take the vaccination by the way. But why we would force/expect healthy people in their teens and twenties to take a vaccine for a virus that is basically a non threat to them, well that’s just f**king wrong on every level.

Consideration of risk is fine, but that consideration has to to take into account the testing by thousands of medical researchers and public bodies all over the world. Society always asks us to do things, I am supposed to not cough over people but anything I cough out will not damage me so why should I worry about someone else? Likewise taxes are extracted from my income to pay for drug clinics, why should I pay for these since I do not take drugs? In both cases I benefit indirectly from other people not having Covid and not having druggies around the place and everyone benefits from vaccination as it gets rid of this disease and the measures needed to control it.
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« Reply #13655 on: February 23, 2021, 11:17:30 AM »
The vaccine discussion tends to end up with pro-vaccine zealots smirking and nodding heads at each other after posting something along the lines of “same lad won’t take the vaccine just ordered a mystery meat burger / line of coke / something heavily processed”.

Would you wise to f**k up folks. Here’s the basics: when you buy anything local or buy anything often, it’s traceable. Not what’s in it, so much as if there’s any side effects. And if there’s no known side effects, then what does it matter what’s in it?

Stop acting like you’re smarter and more considered about risk than anyone else. We are humans. We are all born with eyes, ears and noses, that allow us to risk detect what we digest.

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I’ll take the vaccination by the way. But why we would force/expect healthy people in their teens and twenties to take a vaccine for a virus that is basically a non threat to them, well that’s just f**king wrong on every level.

Good stuff Wobbler, what ever happened to the pro choice brigade, my body my choice. The narrative suits sometimes.

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« Reply #13656 on: February 23, 2021, 11:17:44 AM »
The vaccine discussion tends to end up with pro-vaccine zealots smirking and nodding heads at each other after posting something along the lines of “same lad won’t take the vaccine just ordered a mystery meat burger / line of coke / something heavily processed”.

Would you wise to f**k up folks. Here’s the basics: when you buy anything local or buy anything often, it’s traceable. Not what’s in it, so much as if there’s any side effects. And if there’s no known side effects, then what does it matter what’s in it?

Stop acting like you’re smarter and more considered about risk than anyone else. We are humans. We are all born with eyes, ears and noses, that allow us to risk detect what we digest.

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I’ll take the vaccination by the way. But why we would force/expect healthy people in their teens and twenties to take a vaccine for a virus that is basically a non threat to them, well that’s just f**king wrong on every level.
People need to wise up and realise that the whole concept of expertise is bunkum and that randomers on Facebook know just as much as any so called expert

Democratisation of information is just the best

There is no truth

We've seen this in so many areas

Pro seat-belt zealots need to shut up and realise that people should make the best decisions for themselves

Driving a car without a seat belt carries no appreciable extra risk for the vast majority people, in fact it inhibits a lot of people's ability to drive

I call them body nappies

I hate seat belt zealots, so smug and thinking they're smarter than everybody else


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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #13657 on: February 23, 2021, 11:19:04 AM »
The vaccine discussion tends to end up with pro-vaccine zealots smirking and nodding heads at each other after posting something along the lines of “same lad won’t take the vaccine just ordered a mystery meat burger / line of coke / something heavily processed”.

Would you wise to f**k up folks. Here’s the basics: when you buy anything local or buy anything often, it’s traceable. Not what’s in it, so much as if there’s any side effects. And if there’s no known side effects, then what does it matter what’s in it?

Stop acting like you’re smarter and more considered about risk than anyone else. We are humans. We are all born with eyes, ears and noses, that allow us to risk detect what we digest.

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I’ll take the vaccination by the way. But why we would force/expect healthy people in their teens and twenties to take a vaccine for a virus that is basically a non threat to them, well that’s just f**king wrong on every level.

Good stuff Wobbler, what ever happened to the pro choice brigade, my body my choice. The narrative suits sometimes.
Absolutely, if I want to drive after 10 pints, I should have that choice

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #13658 on: February 23, 2021, 11:22:21 AM »
The government are running a campaign in the UK regarding BAME groups. I'd like to see that extended to younger people when the time comes. Certainly some parts of society could lead, sports people, certain celebs. Think that might be helpful initially a long with an educational approach. There is definitely a misunderstanding on why we need everyone who possibly can to get vaccinated and not just "at risk" groups. People don't understand that and we can see examples of that in this thread.

In a broader point a lot of vaccine scepticism has come from the widely discredited paper by Andrew Wakefield who was rightly struck off. The man should be in prison.

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« Reply #13659 on: February 23, 2021, 11:23:33 AM »
In the same way that we have trainspotters, planespotters and UFO spotters, we will surely soon have Moderna vaccine spotters

A lad I know swears he spotted one in Limerick last week, but I don't believe him

From my experience, you can get anything in Limerick

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« Reply #13660 on: February 23, 2021, 11:31:48 AM »
I see the fascists are trying to insist people be injected with a need against their will.

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #13661 on: February 23, 2021, 11:34:37 AM »
The vaccine discussion tends to end up with pro-vaccine zealots smirking and nodding heads at each other after posting something along the lines of “same lad won’t take the vaccine just ordered a mystery meat burger / line of coke / something heavily processed”.

Would you wise to f**k up folks. Here’s the basics: when you buy anything local or buy anything often, it’s traceable. Not what’s in it, so much as if there’s any side effects. And if there’s no known side effects, then what does it matter what’s in it?

Stop acting like you’re smarter and more considered about risk than anyone else. We are humans. We are all born with eyes, ears and noses, that allow us to risk detect what we digest.

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I’ll take the vaccination by the way. But why we would force/expect healthy people in their teens and twenties to take a vaccine for a virus that is basically a non threat to them, well that’s just f**king wrong on every level.

We give healthy kids vaccines every year, and not an eyebrow raised.
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« Reply #13662 on: February 23, 2021, 11:37:51 AM »
The government are running a campaign in the UK regarding BAME groups. I'd like to see that extended to younger people when the time comes. Certainly some parts of society could lead, sports people, certain celebs. Think that might be helpful initially a long with an educational approach. There is definitely a misunderstanding on why we need everyone who possibly can to get vaccinated and not just "at risk" groups. People don't understand that and we can see examples of that in this thread.

In a broader point a lot of vaccine scepticism has come from the widely discredited paper by Andrew Wakefield who was rightly struck off. The man should be in prison.
The Yanks could get Lance Armstrong to front it

"As somebody who has injected all sorts of horrible shit into their arm over the years, believe me when I tell you this is good stuff"

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« Reply #13663 on: February 23, 2021, 11:38:26 AM »
The vaccine discussion tends to end up with pro-vaccine zealots smirking and nodding heads at each other after posting something along the lines of “same lad won’t take the vaccine just ordered a mystery meat burger / line of coke / something heavily processed”.

Would you wise to f**k up folks. Here’s the basics: when you buy anything local or buy anything often, it’s traceable. Not what’s in it, so much as if there’s any side effects. And if there’s no known side effects, then what does it matter what’s in it?

Stop acting like you’re smarter and more considered about risk than anyone else. We are humans. We are all born with eyes, ears and noses, that allow us to risk detect what we digest.

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I’ll take the vaccination by the way. But why we would force/expect healthy people in their teens and twenties to take a vaccine for a virus that is basically a non threat to them, well that’s just f**king wrong on every level.

We give healthy kids vaccines every year, and not an eyebrow raised.
Fascism, apparently

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« Reply #13664 on: February 23, 2021, 11:39:25 AM »
The vaccine discussion tends to end up with pro-vaccine zealots smirking and nodding heads at each other after posting something along the lines of “same lad won’t take the vaccine just ordered a mystery meat burger / line of coke / something heavily processed”.

Would you wise to f**k up folks. Here’s the basics: when you buy anything local or buy anything often, it’s traceable. Not what’s in it, so much as if there’s any side effects. And if there’s no known side effects, then what does it matter what’s in it?

Stop acting like you’re smarter and more considered about risk than anyone else. We are humans. We are all born with eyes, ears and noses, that allow us to risk detect what we digest.

——

I’ll take the vaccination by the way. But why we would force/expect healthy people in their teens and twenties to take a vaccine for a virus that is basically a non threat to them, well that’s just f**king wrong on every level.

We give healthy kids vaccines every year, and not an eyebrow raised.

Do we ever give them one developed and approved in under a year, no?

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