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tyssam5

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« Reply #10230 on: December 04, 2020, 04:58:55 AM »
Not much point bringing science into this one.
"Wet Pubs", Christ I hate that term....have been closed now since March? Yet it still runs free. Ireland, North and South....Europe.....

At least in the part of Ireland not run by the British, the virus does not "run free", it is under control, and that is because high risk activities like pubs are not open.

Ah look I acknowledge your point. But an infected person shopping, at a leisure centre, church et al, is the same as an infected person drinking.

Are masks not compulsory in shops in the North at this point?

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« Reply #10231 on: December 04, 2020, 06:53:24 AM »
With the 7/8 day lag would it be that today or tomorrow would see peak numbers? And from Sunday through until December 14th drop again?

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« Reply #10232 on: December 04, 2020, 09:24:42 AM »
Not much point bringing science into this one.
"Wet Pubs", Christ I hate that term....have been closed now since March? Yet it still runs free. Ireland, North and South....Europe.....

At least in the part of Ireland not run by the British, the virus does not "run free", it is under control, and that is because high risk activities like pubs are not open.

Ah look I acknowledge your point. But an infected person shopping, at a leisure centre, church et al, is the same as an infected person drinking.

Are masks not compulsory in shops in the North at this point?

A scarf round the face does not offer any inward or outward protection, especially when they are up and down as needed. Making "face coverings" compulsory has been another nonsense of this pandemic. Distance and ventilation indoors has always been key. Truly baffles me to see people wearing these designer face coverings with absolutely no protection in or out in reality in groups of 9 or 10 out and about.

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« Reply #10233 on: December 04, 2020, 10:12:05 AM »
Anyone else think that the closure of ďwetĒ pubs means the opening of house party central?

Again I don't really get everything opening up except "wet pubs". Same way I didn't get everything closing down except, X, Y, Z

It is hardly rocket science, the more you open the more the virus increases and the sooner you have to close everything again.

Rocket science is rarely applicable to government policies.

Churches in the north can reopen and will be judged individually in terms of capacity. Letís collect all the old catholics in the 6 counties in a handful of locations and wipe them out. Oh and as itís Christmas, letís ensure we do so at the only time of year a full house is likely. Great idea.

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« Reply #10234 on: December 04, 2020, 11:09:26 AM »
Not much point bringing science into this one.
"Wet Pubs", Christ I hate that term....have been closed now since March? Yet it still runs free. Ireland, North and South....Europe.....

At least in the part of Ireland not run by the British, the virus does not "run free", it is under control, and that is because high risk activities like pubs are not open.

Ah look I acknowledge your point. But an infected person shopping, at a leisure centre, church et al, is the same as an infected person drinking.

A person with a mask going into a shop, keeping away from people, doing their purchases and out again, is not as risky as sitting beside someone for several hours in a pub. The whole reason people regret going to the pub is that they cannot meet people, but of course meeting people is exactly what the virus needs.
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« Reply #10235 on: December 04, 2020, 11:24:43 AM »
Exactly.
I won't be having any kind of social Christmas this year other than a quiet early evening mid week bit o' grub with herself somewhere.
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« Reply #10236 on: December 04, 2020, 12:31:45 PM »
Having a conversation with a work colleague and I said, like many on here, that I believe pubs should be shut.

The response was that they have been shut for almost 7 months and the virus is still spreading - yet next week everything is allowed to open bar pubs.

He had a point the more I thought about it

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« Reply #10237 on: December 04, 2020, 12:46:13 PM »
Having a conversation with a work colleague and I said, like many on here, that I believe pubs should be shut.

The response was that they have been shut for almost 7 months and the virus is still spreading - yet next week everything is allowed to open bar pubs.

He had a point the more I thought about it

Exactly my thinking. Pretty much blaming them for the whole spread. Of course time has since proven that nonsense.

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« Reply #10238 on: December 04, 2020, 12:48:19 PM »
Going to a pub, with a time limit, spaced apart from others, having to wear a mask when moving around, constant cleaning, track & trace and table-service only?

Versus tesco, people travelling from 6/7 mile radius, no one staying spaced apart, people not wearing masks, people lifting things and putting them down, people handling trolleys/baskets, going to the self service check out which I havenít seen once being cleaned despite being touched constantly...

Not saying pubs should or shouldnít be open, but theyíre not the worst source of spreading the virus. The more you limit the number of places people can go the more they are going to be concentrated in places they can go. And that includes house parties.

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« Reply #10239 on: December 04, 2020, 01:14:23 PM »
Having a conversation with a work colleague and I said, like many on here, that I believe pubs should be shut.

The response was that they have been shut for almost 7 months and the virus is still spreading - yet next week everything is allowed to open bar pubs.

He had a point the more I thought about it

He doesn't have a point. You close the places which have the highest risk of transmitting the virus. That the virus still spreads is not a reason to open pubs it is a reason to look at the operation of other activities.

Versus tesco, people travelling from 6/7 mile radius, no one staying spaced apart, people not wearing masks, people lifting things and putting them down, people handling trolleys/baskets, going to the self service check out which I havenít seen once being cleaned despite being touched constantly...

I'm not sure which Tesco you go to, but in mine people by and large stay apart rightly. But the point is that you do not go to Tesco to meet people, you can avoid them if you want to. People claim to want to go to the pub to meet people, which is precisely what transmits the virus.
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« Reply #10240 on: December 04, 2020, 01:14:34 PM »
Going to a pub, with a time limit, spaced apart from others, having to wear a mask when moving around, constant cleaning, track & trace and table-service only?

Versus tesco, people travelling from 6/7 mile radius, no one staying spaced apart, people not wearing masks, people lifting things and putting them down, people handling trolleys/baskets, going to the self service check out which I havenít seen once being cleaned despite being touched constantly...

Not saying pubs should or shouldnít be open, but theyíre not the worst source of spreading the virus. The more you limit the number of places people can go the more they are going to be concentrated in places they can go. And that includes house parties.
I'm not sure what supermarket/s you're going to but it's a long time since I've seen a customer not wearing a mask in a supermarket

The one I frequent has perspex screens and hand sanitiser available and spaced out queueing

My experience is that customers are by and large pretty responsible in terms of distancing

I feel about as safe as it's possible to be there under the circumstances, far safer than I would in a pub

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« Reply #10241 on: December 04, 2020, 01:34:04 PM »
Having a conversation with a work colleague and I said, like many on here, that I believe pubs should be shut.

The response was that they have been shut for almost 7 months and the virus is still spreading - yet next week everything is allowed to open bar pubs.

He had a point the more I thought about it

He doesn't have a point. You close the places which have the highest risk of transmitting the virus. That the virus still spreads is not a reason to open pubs it is a reason to look at the operation of other activities.

Versus tesco, people travelling from 6/7 mile radius, no one staying spaced apart, people not wearing masks, people lifting things and putting them down, people handling trolleys/baskets, going to the self service check out which I havenít seen once being cleaned despite being touched constantly...

I'm not sure which Tesco you go to, but in mine people by and large stay apart rightly. But the point is that you do not go to Tesco to meet people, you can avoid them if you want to. People claim to want to go to the pub to meet people, which is precisely what transmits the virus.
Interacting with people spreads the virus whether you know them or not. Itís all about perception. You think just because your 24 hour Tesco extra is a large space and people are spread out that *hundreds* of them arenít touching the escalator, the self service checkouts, baskets/trolleys, products on shelves etc every day.

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« Reply #10242 on: December 04, 2020, 01:39:01 PM »
Basically you guys are saying you are happy to accept the risk from virtually everything else open.

But not "Wet Pubs".

That really makes no sense lads. I'm not on a wind up here I'm just struggling to fathom how we've got to the point where people will be absolutely steaming this coming Friday and Saturday at bars that serve a sausage roll (and....lets be honest, you know its happening) and that is considered fine. Yet some poor soul out in the middle of the country can't open because they don't serve food.

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« Reply #10243 on: December 04, 2020, 01:48:36 PM »
Basically you guys are saying you are happy to accept the risk from virtually everything else open.

But not "Wet Pubs".

That really makes no sense lads. I'm not on a wind up here I'm just struggling to fathom how we've got to the point where people will be absolutely steaming this coming Friday and Saturday at bars that serve a sausage roll (and....lets be honest, you know its happening) and that is considered fine. Yet some poor soul out in the middle of the country can't open because they don't serve food.
People have to go to shops to buy food, life doesn't just stop, people have to eat

However they don't have to go the pub


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« Reply #10244 on: December 04, 2020, 02:03:04 PM »
Shops have never closed.

I'm talking about everything that was closed, that is now open all of a sudden.