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armaghniac

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« Reply #10230 on: November 20, 2020, 11:57:18 AM »
I can’t help feel there’s a bit of double speak from some of the business organisations. Some of them argued against Face masks, then they argued against lockdowns. And the DUP got spooked and wouldn’t agree to the obvious which was a hard lockdown early. Now the business organisations are angry because it’s open/close/open/close.  I think they’ve contributed to the mess.

How have people trying to make a living contributed to the mess? that's a very crass statement. you mean the facemarks that for a long time we were told would make no difference?

You realise businesses have to purchase stock in advance? for example people saying ah cafes shouldn't open for 1 week its not worth it, what about the cafes who have probably ordered stock that otherwise will have to be thrown out costing them more money they dont have?

Lets be clear, the reason for lockdowns are failures in policy (I use that term loosely) had our govt got a plan in place around may/ June for the winter then we could have got through this a lot easier, but they didn't, we went from week to week and a 'lets see' policy.

it is not the virus that is causing this its the govt making the decisions. an example. if I take my car for a service and the mechanic tells me its dead on at the min but the timing belt is gonna go in 20k miles and needs replaced soon, I go dead on and driver on and it goes at 19k wrecking my engine and leaving me without a car, is it the timing belts fault or is it my fault for not doing something about it sooner and leaving it to the last minute? You can be proactive or reactive and our government have been constantly reactive, which, anyone will tell you will eventually blow up in your face.

The low rates achieved in the summer were hard earned and were squandered. A simple extrapolation of the R value would indicate that trouble was coming down the road, any reduction in that value would have allowed things keep open longer. Yet, everyone is agitating for what they want, on the basis that it doesn't make much difference, when the aggregate effect of all of these things did mean that we are where we are. Business didn't help, rather than get on board they say things like enforcing masks is not our job, let someone else do it. They should have said we will do our bit and not allow anyone without a mask be served in our premises. Government has failed, they are willing to close things, but are not willing to require detailed strict regulations on those places open.

On the schools thing, as far as I know universities are all electronic teaching bar labs where you mix chemicals and the like. The problems are being caused by the delinquent recreational activities of students. Some form of blended learning would also be appropriate for old school students, but the authorities have done nothing to plan this. As for the contention that schools cause most Covid transmission, this is obviously nonsense as schools have remained open and rates have fallen in recent times throughout Europe. 
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« Reply #10231 on: November 20, 2020, 11:58:19 AM »
The problem with the government is the planning - zero guidance and making decisions at the last minute.
All because they are incompetent pricks.

Make no mistake the green and orange is the problem here - but sure at the next election nothing will change.

I think a government where the main party are neutral could go quite well.

This lockdown is nothing like the one in March because schools are open - biggest spreader of Covid.

And whisper it quietly............if a child if off school because of Covid or isolatio,n teachers have been told to mark the child in as present.
The attendance records wont look as bad and we will not have a clear view of the amount of kids off school.
Nice one Mr Weir

Where is your evidence firstly that schools are biggest spreaders and secondly that they are marking people present?

What we do know but is that the official figures on death arent right because certs are not accurate!

I will find it for you.

In the meantime its great to see the numbers drop during the current lockdown isnt it?

They have dropped - not to where they need to be but they are about half of what they were last month.

What is the solution? Close all schools? For how long? Try and make the time up later in the year or just accept it as collateral damage?

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« Reply #10232 on: November 20, 2020, 12:04:36 PM »
The problem with the government is the planning - zero guidance and making decisions at the last minute.
All because they are incompetent pricks.

Make no mistake the green and orange is the problem here - but sure at the next election nothing will change.

I think a government where the main party are neutral could go quite well.

This lockdown is nothing like the one in March because schools are open - biggest spreader of Covid.

And whisper it quietly............if a child if off school because of Covid or isolatio,n teachers have been told to mark the child in as present.
The attendance records wont look as bad and we will not have a clear view of the amount of kids off school.
Nice one Mr Weir

Where is your evidence firstly that schools are biggest spreaders and secondly that they are marking people present?

What we do know but is that the official figures on death arent right because certs are not accurate!

I will find it for you.

In the meantime its great to see the numbers drop during the current lockdown isnt it?

They have dropped - not to where they need to be but they are about half of what they were last month.

What is the solution? Close all schools? For how long? Try and make the time up later in the year or just accept it as collateral damage?

May have been exaggerating about schools being the worst - apologies - however they absolutely help spread it - that is a given.

Regarding marking kids in who are absent due to Covid related (have it or self isolation) - it is absolutely happening.
Not sure how I can give evidence on it?

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« Reply #10233 on: November 20, 2020, 12:08:57 PM »
I have no doubt schools and third level education are having an impact on the number of cases, however I have yet to see any proposals to help manage that better, because as far as I understand every kid has a right to an education, on top of that and unfortunately, school is the only safe place for a large number of kids and somewhere they can get a decent meal.

I asked the following on the teachers thread with no response;

"From a secondary teacher's experience, does blended learning work? Does it negatively affect kids from (for want of a better term) a lower socio economic background to a greater degree?

Has anything been done to facilitate future blended learning since returning to school full time?"


Those in the private sector have had to evolve to survive and what is clear is that even that evolution of businesses has not been enough as they face in to another lock down. However in the public sector there appears (this is directed at unions) to be a 'not my job' attitude. Our politicians have time and time again made it clear that they have no desire to close schools again, therefore if the teaching unions as they would have you believe are actually interested in the H&S of their staff what innovative or otherwise approached have they proposed to make their work environment safer?

Third level classes almost non existent atm-its almost all zoom classes outside lab  work. Now parties in Holylands that's a different thing

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« Reply #10234 on: November 20, 2020, 12:16:15 PM »
To say the schools are marking pupils who are absent due to Covid as present is nonsense. School attendance is recorded by SIMs, a program used across the North in all schools and the code for Covid related absence or absence due to self-isolation is '8'. This is the guidance from the Department of Education. This covers the absence so that a student is not disadvantaged down the line by a poor attendance record which cannot be explained. But they are still marked as not in school and the number of students coded under '8' can easily be kept on record by the Department. I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anybody but nothing to see here....

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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #10235 on: November 20, 2020, 08:16:41 PM »
To say the schools are marking pupils who are absent due to Covid as present is nonsense. School attendance is recorded by SIMs, a program used across the North in all schools and the code for Covid related absence or absence due to self-isolation is '8'. This is the guidance from the Department of Education. This covers the absence so that a student is not disadvantaged down the line by a poor attendance record which cannot be explained. But they are still marked as not in school and the number of students coded under '8' can easily be kept on record by the Department. I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anybody but nothing to see here....
There was an issue that many schools were marking them with the wrong code (P - for approved sporting activity or something) which made a balls of the figures Peter Weir was knocking out around Hallowe’en.


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« Reply #10236 on: November 20, 2020, 08:59:34 PM »
If this was China, there would be a few ministers in Stormont taken out and f**king shot for gross incompetence.
In fact, there probably would be very few of them wouldn't be taken out and shot.


It was established in Feb/March that the golden fundamental of dealing with a spreading virus is intervene early and do so severely.
Yet, 9 months later and they are still doing things piecemeal.
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« Reply #10237 on: November 20, 2020, 09:09:47 PM »
If this was China, there would be a few ministers in Stormont taken out and f**king shot for gross incompetence.
In fact, there probably would be very few of them wouldn't be taken out and shot.


It was established in Feb/March that the golden fundamental of dealing with a spreading virus is intervene early and do so severely.
Yet, 9 months later and they are still doing things piecemeal.

Who wouldn’t be taken out and shot ?

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« Reply #10238 on: November 20, 2020, 09:33:38 PM »
If this was China, there would be a few ministers in Stormont taken out and f**king shot for gross incompetence.
In fact, there probably would be very few of them wouldn't be taken out and shot.


It was established in Feb/March that the golden fundamental of dealing with a spreading virus is intervene early and do so severely.
Yet, 9 months later and they are still doing things piecemeal.

This, like foot and mouth, should have been dealt with on an all island basis from the start.

That's where it all went wrong in terms of the communication and mixed messages. DUP wanted to hang out to London's coat tails.

Even up to this week, the folks on the hill are getting it in the neck from everybody.  Thing is, and I keep repeating it, that it was 4 parties V 1 in terms of agreement in planning a way forward (rightly or wrongly btw) and the DUP very clearly call in the vote, which was disgraceful.

The DUP are making a mess of it but people are blaming every other political party there...seems to be down to political point scoring. 

Last night, the DUP completed the biggest turn around ever but everybody takes the flack for it.

Needs to called out for what it is.

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« Reply #10239 on: November 20, 2020, 09:47:32 PM »
Foster said medical advice had changed. What has changed?? Surely medical advice has been the same for a long time and this is just a crock of shit?

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« Reply #10240 on: November 22, 2020, 06:51:11 PM »

Weekly update for the ROI, the progress of the last month has stalled. Need to get back on track for the week ahead.

Cases 2622. (9 more than last week)
Reported Deaths 45 ( 11 more than last week)

In Hospital  282 (33 more than last week)
In ICU 31 ( no change)

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« Reply #10241 on: November 23, 2020, 10:33:29 AM »
Oxford vaccine at least 70% effective and likely to be 90% effective in certain dosage combinations. The best plan seems to be a low dose followed by a second slightly higher dose.
This is a really good, as this is already being produced and the logistics are straightforward as it can be kept in the fridge.
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« Reply #10242 on: November 23, 2020, 11:12:18 AM »
Scenes in Belfast this weekend getting a bit of airtime. Can only imagine what it will be like mid December when everything re opens....

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« Reply #10243 on: November 23, 2020, 11:13:40 AM »
Scenes in Belfast this weekend getting a bit of airtime. Can only imagine what it will be like mid December when everything re opens....

Im sort of lost on what people want at this stage?

Open, shut, open and shut or what?

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« Reply #10244 on: November 23, 2020, 11:25:57 AM »
Usual overreaction to the new lockdown (that wasn't meant to be implemented with the circuit breaker...).

Just think when it reopens, with Xmas round the corner. It's going to be a mess. You know what people are like at Xmas at the best of times.

As per imtommygunn, you'd like to see what the medical advice that changed the DUPs mind was. It would be extremely interesting reading.